Upcoming Rolling Stone Expose: "Urban Meyer may have helped cover up" Hernandez crimes, drug use
There is not one single specific allegation, much less any credible proof, of any wrongdoing by Urban Meyer.
I challenge anybody to point it out if they think I am mistaken.
The article does a pretty good job of explaining that Hernandez was a bad kid before he got to Gainesville, and that he became a much worse person after he left and joined the NFL.
The article is long on descriptive speculation; and yet it is not terrible. It does paint a rather depressing picture of Hernandez. But the worst thing in all of this, it seems to me, is the absolutely unwarranted and illegitimate "use" of the Rolling Stone story is as some sort of charging document against Urban Meyer because on that dimension it is a complete failure.
I guess Rolling Stone thinks drug use should be limited to rock stars and not athletes.
I definitely agree. The "Urban Meyer connection" is a red herring to generate more pageviews and incite the masses. It's a bit depressing to see people gloat over this just because the coach of our biggest rival was mentioned in a negative light.
Top 5 class. I guess his recruits don't read news articles.
You assume they know how to read....
They ain't come to read articles.
Fuck Rolling Stone
That is all.
Nothing will happen, but it'll be amusing in any case.
Gene Smith will still give him a raise.
Mark Emmert will take away one scholarship and some practice time, and move forward. . . But hey what do you expect with only one percent of the budget being allocated toward enforcement!
If this is true looks like Urban Meyer is a real Meijer weiner
I'm speechless but Jesus Christ, I have to reply to this just so when I have a bad day, I can revisit this and give thanks that I am not you.
The worst of tat post is tat Meijer is where I get my M gear.
You know how many co-eds I've heart conditioned in my life?
Where do you get your tats?
Out of all of the garbage that gets posted on the board I love that the only thing people lose their shit over is people trying to make jokes by manipulating names.
Your standards are way too high.
Hey mate, I'm glad you're not me either. Going through my pre-quarter life crisis would be insanely hard if I'm not me.
Also, bad jokes shouldn't make you that upset. Take a chill strip
this should be good
We all know he is a sleaze ball.
It's all good in Cbus:
"..everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever.."
I just hope Urban doesn't fire me.
Signed, Gordon Gee
He wins a lot of games, which results in a lot of people looking past his "faults"
Why would any parent entrust their kid with Urban Meyer?
Yeah seriously. Taking care of Urban Meyer has to be an absolute handful.
They're just kids. They're not ready for that kind of responsibility.
A lot of football recruits come from backgrounds where there wasn't much parenting, which is clearly the case with Hernandez. I'm obviously not justifying anything, but it's important to understand that a lot of guys playing FBS football come from difficult circumstances.
Hey, he'll keep your son out of jail while he's in Cbus(as long as he's a star on the team), that's gotta be worth something!
Isn't it obvious...because he keeps them out of jail and is a genius at covering things up. It's when they leave the tender care of Urban that it becomes a problem. This is all on the police taking crimes too seriously.
probably getting really stressed out again
you play to win the game
Finally Rolling Stone published a real story with no bias. One that is truly dedicated to the betterment of society. My respect for them has increased.
Why all the cheap-shots against Rolling Stone? Of course they have a bias--all news sources are biased. At least they cover important stuff--like Wall Street scandals, political corruption, the looming student loan bubble, and, uh, Aaron Hernandez.
And putting a mass murderer on their cover and adding to his image rather than focusing on the innocent lives tragically altered by his sadistic fantasy.
but the guy did what he did and Rolling Stone had an original in-depth article about the guy. Ye, they did it for money, but Brian and MGo work for free, correct?
I never understood why so many people rag on RS since that article
So you also have an issue with basically any newpaper that shows pictures of dead people or horrific crimes occurring in other countries? RS provided a unique story about a notable person in the news, so they put him on the cover. You can argue taste and if they should have selected another cover photo, but it wasn't like they didn't have a good reason to do so.
Not any journalist integrity. You bury the lede when about selecting another cover photo. Instead of one they picked (and somehow got) that makes him look like he's more fit for the cover of Teen Beat magazine rather than Time.
Nothing Rolling Stone did was going to change what happened. Maybe it was ill timed but they aren't the first to look into what killers/terrorists think. People get way too amped up over things that mean very little in the grand scheme of things....
Meh. I just don't think news outlets really should be wasting their time on things like Wall Street or politics or international human rights issues, etc. I think the most important thing facing our society, and the world in general, is making sure everyone knows Ohio State is the Worst Thing In The World (they may be naming their hospital ER the Abercrombie and Fitch ER for cryin' out loud) and thus crushing their collective soul into oblivion. So I applaud Rolling Stone for actually trying in this pursuit.
Wait - is the part about the ER for real? If so, that's the best bit of info on this whole thread. Would be incredible.
Wow. I wonder if they'd do the same if a cigarette manufacturer donated ten million dollars.
I just, I don't know what to say about this:
Abercrombie & Fitch Chair in Inflammatory Bowel Disease
It's like something from a Pynchon novel only not a satire.
This spells disaster for Columbus's fatty population: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/16/abercrombie-reputation-ceo-comments_n_3288836.html
That is amazing.
You win at all cost with Urban!
When we were taught how read research papers, anytime you read "may" just insert "may not". Because that is how solid the evidence is. Any other comments on this until facts are solid are junk.
Agreed. Using "may have" is just a fancy way to get away with libel. Unless RS has a source more credible that the always reliable "anonymous source" I'm treating this as hearsay.
Are we at least in the Craig James ALLEGEDLY killed 5 hookers zone yet?
I know they are being careful with the wording, but at some point the amount of smoke around Meyer's Florida program portends some fire.
Yes, but going relatively easy on troublemakers does not automatically equate to "helped cover up assault and attempted murder." Wouldn't you say that is kind of a big leap?
Yeah, Urban ran a pretty loose ship at Florida, but think about this for a second: Rolling Stone has just not so subtley accused Urban Meyer of covering up an attempted murder for a former player.
I know we don't like the guy and most of us think his persona is some degree of acting, but that is a serious accusation for anyone, and one that, frankly, deserves more than an "anonymous source" in a hot topic sports article from Rolling Stone of all people.
I don't disagree that the implication is a bit extreme, but I'm only now reading the full article so I reserve final judgment as to the appropriateness of this comment.
That said, I do agree that people are trying to paint Meyer as a monster when he's closer to your average big-time coach. But he's rubbed people the wrong way a lot of stops, and his record of discipline at Florida was pretty terrible. At the bare minimum, it sounds like Meyer looked the other way for multiple drug offenses by his players, and while I am off the belief that busting college kids for weed is dumb and unnecessary, the fact remains that certain players got away with a significant number of infractions with little to no punishment. That falls on the head coach to address. My guess is the shooting accusation is based on limited evidence (I'm sure a "he said, he said" situation), but the fact that there is pretty clear evidence that Hernandez was a violent man prone to deadly acts certainly provides some credence to the notion that he showed such tendencies while in college.
Common guys. Writing "Meyer may have helped cover up...." is no different than writing "Meyer may have secretly cured Cancer, ended world hunger and brokered peace in the Middle East."
As much as I would LOVE for this story to be true I'll wait till there's a bit more facts in play than just wild speculation about what may have or may not have happened. Cause for all WE know Brady (through Mattison's connections to Meyer) may have been involved too.......
EDIT: Beaten to the punch by three minutes.
So you would LOVE that a coach protected (allegedly) a player in at least one possible felony? Sometimes you make really astute comments. This is not one of those times.
Creating more buzz/discussion about Meyer's lax responsibility, whether true or not, will be painful for OSU. I'm not creating the story, so I don't have any guilt reveling in their pain. Screw him. Screw OSU.
It reminds me of the (apocraphyl?) story of LBJ in the White House still worrying about rinky-dink local races in Texas. He advised to spread a rumor about the opponent that he was (having sex) with pigs. "Sir, no one will believe such a story." LBJ replied, "Of course, but think how bad he'll look denying it."
You get the pitchforks, I'll get the torches.
When did he take over the lacrosse team? I thought he was a football coach?
It is obvious that he means that if Meyer is guilty, he would love for the story to be true and for Meyer to be exposed.
Big flaw in your logic: Meyer coaches Ohio State.
"Meyer may have secretly cured Cancer, ended world hunger and brokered peace in the Middle East."
He did all that stuff and didn't tell anyone about it? What a jerk.
This could be fun, of course, and although he has not offered much on his current feelings towards having Aaron Hernandez on his team back in the day (obviously, not knowing it would culminate in this), there was this article - LINK. It is from late July, but when pressed, he offered what will have to pass for an official opinion:
“It felt awful. It's a sick feeling,” Meyer said. “Your thoughts and prayers are with the family of the victims.” He said he'll never stop thinking about having Hernandez in his program and the realities of that.
Four more days...
Sounds about right.
Anyone know what the statute of limitations is on obstruction of justice?
But if you ask Ray Lewis, he may know....
Only when it suits them and their viewpoint.
Like everyone else.
May have. Meh.
It would be nice to see OSU finally not be in a situation where Gene Smith can bail them out of their corruption. But I just don't see anything major happening from this.
And even if half of these rumors were true, I could still picture those morons in Columbus building a statue in Urban's honor.
as long as he doesn't lose to Michigan. If he does, the Columbus faithful will turn on Meyer like zombies chasing a car with a trunkful of cow brains.
I'm a Michigan fan through and through. I'll never root for Ohio. And yet, I dislike it when fellow Michigan fans always assume the worst about the coaches or players of Ohio or MSU or other rivals. I'm glad that Hoke is here at Michigan, and that Michigan players generally fit The Pattern of high character. But this doesn't mean that other coaches and teams are necessarily of low character.
I guess you could say I'm hopelessly optimistic and naive, but I'd rather wait until something is proven before throwing ANYONE under the bus. We don't like it when others pile on the miscues of Toussaint, or Frank Clark, or Braylon Edwards. What's even worse is when allegations are made without substantiation. (Exhibit A: allegations made against Gibbons and Lewan.) We're fond here of talking about the high quality of guys at Michigan. One characteristic of high quality men is that they don't endlessly disrespect others. Until Urban Meyer is substantively shown to have covered up Hernandez crimes, I think it is irresponsible and unhelpful to assume otherwise.
Let's be fair: I thought the worst of Urban long before he got to Ohio. He has a track record of being slimy.
And the earlier comparison to boys/young men who screw up is a strawman. He is a full fledged adult in a position of great responsibility who made a choice to seriously cash in on his constructed image as a hard working, tough-love, Christain, football coach. Now, even if he is 100% innocent, he gets to pay the piper for making that choice.
Well that's why I hoped the story was true while still thinking the accusation is more bullshit than fact. This is not dissimilar to the emotions I experienced when confronted with the "Santa isnt real" rumor as a child.
I agree with this. Although I was kind of semi-seriously defending Rolling Stone above, I think it's kind of dubious for them to throw "six revelations" out there like this without the additional material that would supposedly back them up. I guess this is their way of selling more magazines, but if I was an OSU supporter I'd be pretty bent out of shape about it. If they have sources who say "Urban Meyer did X to help Aaron Hernandez get away with [some crime]," then it's a story. If they don't, then it's just more speculation.
I never believed in Santa to begin with, which meant I got a big laff out of my friends' horror and pain when they eventually found out the truth.
Not good for Ohio at all.
If this is true he will be done at osu and could face charges
Meyer has set himself up for this by purposefuly marketing himself as holier-than-thou. He'd still be a scum bucket if it's true, but it'll be a lot more fun watching the media storm rip into his hubris.
That i think that urbz other beliefs are a lot more harmful to society than this?
Ungh. I haven't read it but I remember whenever the Rolling Stone got on about something outside of its wheelhouse during the entirety of my roommate's subscription, I'd just kinda hold the bridge of my nose and shake the ol noggin. It's like when your 15-year-old cousin comes to your side in a political debate at a family function. Just vote with me; I don't want to know how the sausage of your thoughts are made.
are true, what I find to be most unfortunate is that it was left up to Rolling Stone to write the article in the first place.
None of the allegations agains Meyer are new, though, and if RS doesn't have more evidence than some of the previous stories, it's just more of the same.
I do find it interesting that in the latest scrape with the law for his players at Ohio State he went to the police to tell them not to treat his players different than anyone else--don't know how many winks and nods there were, but to me he had no business instructing the police how to carry out their investigation at all, and it just seems bizarre that he would do something like that.
it would be for more bs to sell papers. I should have stated that at the beginning.
Is his visit to the local constabulary so unique, though? I'm not interested enough to try to dig it up, but wasn't it reported that he did the same thing in Gainesville? I could swear that it was mentioned in some of the Hernandez reporting, or during the reporting of the Hyde incident. I'm not disputing your last statement, just suggesting that it is business as usual for Meyer.
Obviously, Meyer isn't responsible for Hernandez's actions. That said, the media has seemed to skirt by the "alleged" violent crimes Hernandez was involved with while at Florida.
No one cares about the drug tests but what hasn't been brought to much light is the '07 unresolved shooting where Reggie Nelson's black Tahoe was identified and a muscular "Hawaiin" man who fired 5 shots nearly killing two men.
Between Meyers co-ed induced retirement and his knack for coverups it's clear he's the perfect HC for Ohio. I hope he's there for awhile - last thing I need is to respect Ohios coach
Is Gainesville so backward that police would cover up a drive-by shooting? Seriously, how the hell does that happen anywhere?
I, for one, really hope the info is really weak. An obsession with winning is different than covering up attempted murder.
Is it really that hard to believe? Shit, NBC is running with this story http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/27/report-hernandez-was-on-...
We're talking about the state of Florida - not exactly the classiest state in the union
NBC is running a story saying someone else is running a story.
Getting a fight or a car crash thrown away is me thing, but a drive-by is seriously bad shit. I just can't imagine enough people being willing to ignore that. Meyer would have needed acquiescence of perhaps dozens. I don't know if I buy that.
That's Pro Football Talk, which has autonomy from NBC and regularly posts completely unsourced rumors. They were the ones a few years back who posted that Terry Bradshaw had died before checking to make sure, you know, that he had.
State College, and who knows where else. When football holds that much influence, something is sadly wrong.
I can see it now:
Is why we need upvotes.
Meh, give me some concrete proof, and until then, this is a load of crap from Rolling Stones. Still, it wouldn't shock me if this were the case.
1. if this is true, it is in no way "good news." It would mean that a college coach covered up crimes, whose uncovering might have helped deter or render impossible specific crimes committed since then.
2. The wording "may have" could mean there are serious allegations that he did this, and the reason RS didn't word things more strongly is because, well, that's what journalists do when something is alleged but not established as fact.
3. Equally, it could mean that all they've got is insubstantial innuendo and the bullet point is there, cynically, to drum up hype for the upcoming story.
3. Right now we don't know which of these is true. I'm going to wait to read the story before deciding how compelling it is.
I'm glad to see that a lot of people who (as Michigan fans) are predisposed to dislike Ohio state, but who also see that the RS story doesn't yet appear to be well-founded. We don't really know much, and certainly nothing concrete. I hate Ohio state as much as any Michigan fan, but I think we all need to hold off unless there is something definitive.
An expose here would be so right on so many levels.
Has the affair with a student ever truly been proven? I mean factually not just in public opinion. I'm not a fan of anything OSU, I'm not a troll, I really am just curious.
sounds awful fishy to me. The bulk of it talks about how his family was messed up and his personal life was out of control, yada yada yada, and then the last paragraph is a vague snippet like, "OH! By the way, his college coach (who just happens to be one of, if not THE highest profile coach in all of college football right now) may have done some pretty damning stuff to cover up some very serious crimes."
Shouldn't that be the bigger part of this article?
Should be a good read,but it seems like they're fishing for page views. Doubtful anything comes of this.
The issue hits newsstands Friday. I'll buy it on the way home from work along with a bag of popcorn.
Given what I know about OSU and its fans, I expect a PSU-like rally around the coach, with anybody offering even the mildest criticism of Meyer pilloried by the mass of fans.
Alot of people don't like Meyer, even the media. Probably because he is a douche#%!, plain and simple. I don't really care if this story is true or not, I just want to beat OSU on the field.
Off the field suffering.
The tease makes no sense in light of the full story. If anything they make him sound even more saintly. Literally:
Meyer had a rep for reforming players who’d had trouble elsewhere with the law. And he tried, God knows, to convert Hernandez; did everything short of an exorcism.
Unless there's more to it than what is mentioned in that article, it's a big dud and St. Urbz walks off scot-free
I'm just glad Urb is their problem, not our problem.
The full article is up - http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-gangster-in-the-huddle
The full article is up - http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-gangster-in-the-huddle
Okay, I just read the entire article from start to finish, and there is really nothing new concerning Meyer. Evidently there are circumstantial reasons to believe Hernandez failed drug tests at UF and Meyer told the media Hernandez "wasn't ready to play." The article spins that as though this was some terrible thing on Meyer's part, but I don't have a problem with it.
Then there was an incident in which Hernandez assaulted a waiter at a Gainsville restaurant, and wound up not being charged. According to the article, the victim in the assault decided not to press charges after talking with Florida coaches. On that, I guess in retrospect maybe you can say that Meyer shouldn't have helped Hernandez out with that, but even then I don't see how Meyer is supposed to forsee that he's cultivating a serial killer.
In addition, the article makes pretty clear that Meyer did try to help Hernandez out by assigning people to guide him--or at least tried to have them keep Hernandez out of trouble. I guess you could say that's evidence of Meyer knowing the dude was a loose cannon, but I don't see how Hernandez would have become any less dangerous had Meyer booted him off the team.
Overall, I'd have to say that yesterday's Urban Meyer teaser is a pretty major fail on the part of Rolling Stone. It's too bad, because if was actually a pretty good article overall-it just wasn't what they represented it to be.
I largely agree, though I would argue that Meyer "trying to help" Hernandez seemed mostly focused on the public-side approach of good PR, not structurally addressing his issues. I don't think Meyer is the devil or anything silly like that, but it's not just Hernandez who had problems at Florida, and considering dozens of NFL teams passed over drafting Hernandez despite clear talent makes you figure there were/are issues that people won't talk about but clearly existed.
Well, I also may have covered up Hernandez's crimes. Allegations and baseless assertions are just that. The article didn't read to me as a smoking gun of any sort, but it hits shelves on Friday folks so I'll reserve much judgment until then.