Unverified Voracity about NFL coaches to college lack of success
A few days ago when someone made a CC: Rex Ryan post the poster dothepose said the following:
''Did you not see Brians post in a Unverified Voracity about NFL coaches making the move to college and the lack of success? At this point can we just get CC talk when there is a pretty good rumor or something actually happens. At this point any name thrown out just annoys me until Brandon or Hoke or both are gone.''
And after the CC: Steve Mariucci post it came back to my mind. Does such a post exist? Could someone please link it for me if they do know of such a post?
I haven't been able to find it using the search. People like to say ''Well Carroll, Saban, and Spurier failed in the NFL and came back and won in college.''
1. Carroll did not fail in the NFL before USC. I wouldn't call 10-6,9-7,8-8 with New England ''failed''.
2. Spurrier and Saban both won national titles in college before going to the NFL. Saban left the Dolphins because the GM decided he wanted Dante Caulpepper over Drew Brees. You're also comparing some of the best college coaches of ALL TIME to Rex Ryan, Mike Smith, and Steve Mariucci.
3. Bill Callahan, Mike Sherman, and Lane Kiffin all did about as well in college as they did in the NFL.
October 30th, 2014 at 10:04 PM ^
Bill Walsh came back to Stanford after his Niners run and did subpar...then again west coast offense must've been hard to comprehend for college kids lol... especially if it was new in the NFL...
October 30th, 2014 at 11:20 PM ^
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This is the only one I can remember recently.
http://mgoblog.com/content/mailbag-long-discussion-brandon-email-post-d…
October 30th, 2014 at 10:06 PM ^
Here's a link to Brian's story that discussed how coaches with NFL experience have fared in college:
http://mgoblog.com/content/unverified-vorclanga-clanga-clanga#comment-2748485
October 30th, 2014 at 10:12 PM ^
Dennis Erickson, June Jones, Mike Riley, Jim L. Mora
I'm not disagreeing with you, but here are a few more names that are iffy to decide if failures and if they are/were, are decent college coaches it seems.
October 30th, 2014 at 10:12 PM ^
As a Browns fan that's the sort of failure (10-6, 9-7, 8-8) we're after.
October 30th, 2014 at 10:32 PM ^
How did guys who took their team to 3 conference championships in a row do?
I'll hang up and listen haters.
#HireHarbaugh
October 30th, 2014 at 10:46 PM ^
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October 30th, 2014 at 11:04 PM ^
That is what Bo was talking about, Frieder going to Arizona St., but that doesn't mean that Jim Harbaugh isn't the best candidate to turn this mess around, and his Michigan ties are not as important as his ability to coach this team back into being the great program it once was. I think Alum 96 was just stating his choice for the next coach, Michigan Man or not.
October 31st, 2014 at 12:43 AM ^
I get jealous when I see him, or Les Miles, out in front of the team before they run out pumping everyone up, talking smack, and inspiring the team. Whereas Hoke is still in the locker room when the players are on the field.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:19 PM ^
Bill Frieder was an asshole behind the scenes. He pissed off a lot of people. I can't imagine his routine going over well with Bo. When Frieder snuck around to take another job while a team that had National Championship talent was getting ready for the NCAA Tournament, it was a perfect chance for Bo to take him down a peg.
As it worked out, the team played too tight under Frieder and firing him was just what the team needed.
October 31st, 2014 at 1:49 AM ^
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October 31st, 2014 at 9:43 AM ^
This goes under the old adage, you can't have 'em both at the same time, like Kate and Edith. (You know, man married to Kate, he starts cheating with Edith, Kate leaves him, becuase you can't have your Kate and Edith too.)
Applied to college football, if you look historically, it typically has been the case that a state with predominantly two large D-1A football institutions and not a massive population does not have both programs extremely good at the very same time. There's this concept that, if a state has a relatively limited number of high-end football playes whom you need to round out an 85-man roster, most states can't support enough players to create two college teams that are great at the same time. Historically, that is.
UM / MSU is like that -- when one is up, the other is down. Rarely are both top-10/top-15 for a few years at the same time.
Virginia suffers the same problem. As long as the Hokeys are going to be the best football team in the state, UVa is going to get crumbs in terms of local athletes. UVA's opening is coming due, Beemer is getting long in tooth, Tech is in a bit of a down time, UVa needs to get someone to step in and take over the state from them.
(For instance, Alabama used to reflect this -- the Tide and Tigers weren't usually both great at the same time. But now the SEC footprint, basically, supplies 99% of all talent in the country, so, all 38 of the SEC schools are the top 4 teams in the country all at once. In other words, the Kate/Edith rule probably still applies just not in the Southeast, where you can marry Kate and date Edith as long as they are both your first cousins.)