Dave Brandon creates the future, by destroying the past.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
Dave Brandon creates the future, by destroying the past.
I personally think it's just as much of an honor to have someone wear the jersey and honor it than it is to never see it, especially seeing as Michigan doesn't showcase their retired numbers anywhere in the stadium.
I think this is pretty cool actually.
We have the following 6 numbers retired:
11 - Wister Brothers (Francis, Albert, and Alvin)
21 - Desmon Howard
47 - Bennie Oosterbaan
48 - Gerald Ford
87 - Ron Kramer
98 - Tom Harmon
Where would we put them at the stadium?
21 not retired. Its still being worn as one of the Legends numbers.
This makes me suspect that they'll announce Gerald Ford is the second Legends number during the Air Force game. Brandon's been hinting at doing something special for that game. Bet this might be it.
Good call. Since he was the Commander and Chief, that might be a nice tie in for that game.
And is being honored (maybe) on a day his Athletic team plays Air Force?
I see what they did there....
Just the Army Air Corps that also operated on naval vessels.
Till the war started.
But I wasn't really going for a historical comparison (as I think most people got) as much as (one of) his job(s) was to shoot down airplanes....and his old football team is playing the team who's job is to fly airplanes...and.....if you have to explain the joke it's really not very funny anymore. :-(
Both of my grandfathers were aviation mechanics in the Marines. They would slap the sh*t out of anyone who said they were army.
I guess "Go Blue" takes on a whole 'nother meaning.
Exactly. Brandon stated when the "legend" jersey started that they were going to speak with the families of those with retired numbers, and if they wanted, they would unretire them and make them 'legend' numbers. If the Ford family is on board, this is a great way to honor the man and football player.
aboard the aircraft carrier USS MONTEREY during WWII, where he was responsible for, among other things, crew fitness. I have this photo hanging in my man cave:
Ford had an idea to put a basketball hoop up on the forward elevator of the carrier. That's him appearing to win the jump ball. Serious ups!
edit: actually the shorter guy may have the more serious ups, but it looks like Ford will win the tip
This would be a really cool moment.
We could put them on a ring, or......perhaps a halo around the top of the stadium. Right, works?
Brady Hoke says something and Dave Brandon gets blamed for it. Um, okay.
Isn't that how logic works?
My money's on Jordan Kovacs.
I'd rather it be one of the freshman linemen to be honest. Changing your number senior year is a bit jarring to fans, since we've come to know them with the numbers they established themselves with. It took awhile for me to adjust last year to Floyd being 8, and he was only a junior.
We've never in my years of fandom had a player like Kovacs. We won't retire 32 for him anytime soon (and wasn't he 22 or something right up until he debuted?). If you see that number on a big back with huge shoulder pads you'll think of A-Train and on a squatter Fullback you'll think of Dudley. But anytime I see a guy of small build lining up at strong safety wearing 32 it's as much a Kovacsian reference as a speedy quarterback wearing 16 is a Denardian one.
I doubt they're going to honor Gerald Ford by giving his number to a random freshman. What's the point if he's mostly going to sit on the sideline all year?
It's most likely going to be an upperclassman who has proven himself to be a leader.
and I hope it's him. Nice move Hoke and DB!
Yes, I'd give it to a young player. I'd use it as a recruiting tool and say if you want to take on the mantle of a Legends number, you get your grades in order and play your way onto the 2-deep as a freshman, RS freshman, sophomore, or RS sophomore at the latest, and at the end of fall practice if the coaches think you've earned it, you can have that number. Then that player has an entire career ahead of him to honor that number, and it's a motivator.
Giving it to an established player is a gimmick. My 88 jersey is rendered useless and team databases are thrown out of whack while Roh or Campbell runs around as a Wistert for a year, then it's tossed to another player or thrown back on the heap. I'd much rather see Ondre Pipkins in 11.
I do think that Michigan should try to get a special dispensation from the NCAA to use illegal numbers for special cases where the player being honored wore an unusual number, e.g. 11 on an offensive tackle, or 98 in the backfield.
But I'm with you. Make it a recruiting tool. The next #1 should be Treadwell. Instead of a one year gimmick, the patch is out there for 4-5 years. And players shouldn't be "honored" with it after a good career...at that point, they've made their number special. Now if someone really WANTS it ala Braylon, I wouldn't deny them...it can be a motivational tool too. But if the point is for people to remember the players of the past, if it's just for one year every so often it's not effective as occassionally. Besides, you probably need a few so-so players to wear these numbers too. If all the greatest players of one time only wear one number, it'll be iconic for the school, but not so much for the players.
But again, that doesn't seem to be the path they're taking. (Though maybe the #1 in the near future thing might mean that's not the only way they'll go.). Maybe the compromise answer is when "retiring/unretiring" the number, you give it to an established player to honor it at the ceremony. But thereafter it just goes to a freshman. Not that they're taking my vote.
For me, and I suspect for many, the assurance that comes with bestowing that honor on someone who has proven their worth outweighs the confusion it wreaks on historical research done with spreadsheets.
A freshman may be a bust talent-wise or personally by the time they're done at UofM. Imagine if Will Campbell got the #11, this year's possible breakout season aside. Or if Justin Turner was given the #2.
People don't remember Braylon as #80. He earned a shot at the jersey he wanted wearing that number, then made memories for Michigan fans as the latest #1. Just because it is reserved for an upperclassman who has proven he deserves it doesn't mean it has to rotate yearly by always going to a senior.
That would be ABSURD!
.....in the hypothetical future where we've made that a legacy jersey.
It's only since Braylon that anyone has ever had to "earn" it. And that's not even counting all the guys who wore it before AC. And lots of guys have worn 21, 2, and various other numbers associated with all time greats that weren't all time greats. It doesn't detract from the number. Someone wearing the number, with a patch, brings attention to them. Someone not wearing it at all because we're "saving it for the right guy" makes them forgotten. It's been 8 years with no #1. But from 1986-2000 it was pretty consistently worn. And none of them had to "earn it"...and for the most part, it worked out ok.
This is a really good point.
I was twelve when Terrell began at UofM, so I guess Braylon's #1 backstory just stuck in my mind more. It certainly got a ton of coverage.
And I guess I still like the idea of earning it and giving it to a proven character/talented guy, but you do have history on your side.
Yeah it does. Because I'm working with these guys in the abstract all the damn time, over the offseason, etc. That only applies to people who cover the sport, but even as an intense fan the number switches were jarring. I got used to Mundy as 21, but I thought of him as 26 and had to remind myself. The exceptions are like where Braylon specifically went for 1 and got it, and only really was a factor for one season as 80, or like how Marlin was 20 as a freshman then 3 the rest of his career -- he'll forever be 3 and it was a good change.
After about half-way through his starting career, a number shouldn't change because the association is already established, and it'll be hard for the new number to replace the old one.
Won't anyone think of the poor video game designers?!?!
Are you trying to imply that "QB #16" represents an actual real-life player? EA Sports' lawyers will reassure you that nothing is further from the truth.
Jack Kennedy, baby.
Way to take that from the front page of The Wolverine.com, how original
Take what from The Wolverine?
The # fits a D-back and Kovacs sort of looks like a young Ford.
Ford was a center but what position area does that number fall into in today's game?
Running backs, defensive backs, linebackers, maybe tight ends.
I think it can be any position except OL.
So can we assume, based on this information, that Ford is the next Michigan Legend?
I have never been so insulted!
I confess. I'll be wearing that jersey this year. Case solved. I'll also be getting two scholies for long snapping and towel boy. I'm versatile.
Wasn't retiring the jersey in the first place meant to honor him?
I've never heard of a jersey being brought out of retirement for one season. Is that common?
I only saw the Twitter.
What makes you think that it's only for one season? I was under the impression that patches, lockers, and whatnot are (relatively) permanent changes.
I must have misread that. My bad.
I think the plan is to "unretire" all of the five jerseys so that our team of over 100 players can use them, while at the same time we can recognize more legends than just the seven who were honored with the five jerseys (the Wistert brothers all wore #11).
Maybe it is a bad example, but ohio un-retired Archie Griffin's number for Katzenmoyer.
See that "retired" Gerald Ford #48 jersey? MAKE SOME COMMEMORATIVE JERSEYS LIKE THAT.
The old, non-nylon, non-fitted style, that you could actually, like, wear for fun without shoulder pads. The small-sized stitched tackle twill numbers. Make a number 48, a number 11, and a number 98. And as many others as people want. You'll sell quite a lot of them, I think. You could pretty easily sell me a #98.
This. A thousand times this.
I know on some NFL teams, numbers can come out of retirement with permission from the person/family. Maybe the school got permission and is going to do something else to honor Mr. Ford.
Isnt this the whole point behind the Legands patch? They want to get away from retiring numbers because they dress something like 120 players for home games and it gets tough once you retire 10 plus numbers (ala #21 and #2 in the future). So they will un-retire the numbers with permission and then only give them out to deserving player.
I've always wanted to see some sort of distinction for retired/honored players go up on the facade of the new press box. To me it looks plain up there and names/numbers of the greatest players from the past would be really cool to see up there in large maize lettering.
I'd say one of three: Toussaint, Kovacs, or maybe Lewan (most deserving O-Line?) Would make the most sense to give it to the Center, but I don't think a 1st year center would be bestowed the honor.
As for it being a retired number, bring it on I say. Let the players and fans remember the past through means of the present. I think that as long as there is a nod to the previous player (patch on 21) it is a nice way to remember.
It would be illegal for Lewan to wear it.
Forgive my stupidness then.
What exactly are the rules on numbers?
There aren't a whole lot of hard and fast rules in college, but offensive linemen have to be #50 through #79. All other numbers are eligible to receive passes downfield.
WR: 1-29, 80-89
DL: 50-79, 90-99
LB: 40-59, 90-99
...but there are exceptions.
At the snap, at least five players wearing jerseys numbered 50 through 79 are on the offensive scrimmage line and no more than four players are in the backfield (Rules 2-21-2, 2-27-4 and 7-1-3-b-1) (Exception: Rule 1-4-2-b) (A.R. 1-4-2-I-V).
You don't have this memorized? (Link)
As long as we had a tight end on the line. This part of the rule doesn't state the number is linked to elibility for a pass. I thought that rule was based on the "uncovered" player.
Eligibility to Touch Legal Pass
ARTICLE 3. Eligibility rules apply during a down when a legal forward pass is thrown. All Team B [defensive] players are eligible to touch or catch a pass. When the ball is snapped, the following Team A [offensive] players are eligible:
a. Each player who is in an end position on his scrimmage line and who is wearing a number other than 50 through 79 (A.R. 7-3-3:I)
b. Each player who is legally positioned as a back wearing a number other than 50 through 79.
c. A player wearing a number other than 50 through 79, in position to receive a hand-to-hand snap from between the snapper's legs.
So in your scenario, the TE would be wearing 50-79 (remember, there must be five players on the line of scrimmage wearing these numbers) and anyone wearing 50-79 would be ineligible to touch a pass that wasn't touched first by the defense (that's rule 7-3-5: "When a Team B player or an official touches a legal forward pass, all players become eligible.")
The NCAA rulebook is dizzying.
Maybe I'm misremembering this, but didn't we throw a screen pass to Jake Long (#77) in the Citrus Bowl against Florida?
Not a screen pass, but it was a designed play where the ball was "passed" to the tackle.
It wasn't a lateral. It was just thrown behind the line of scrimmage.
So a player wearing a number from #50-79 can catch a pass behind the line?
From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_number_(American_football)
According to NCAA rule book Section 4 Article 1 recommends numbering as follows for offensive players;
Otherwise all player must be numbered 1–99, the NCAA makes no stipulation on defensive players. Two players may also share the same number though they may not play during the same down.
While these are recommended, there are frequent enough exceptions that they really go out the window. Rocko Khoury was a center and wore #63. Steve Schilling was a tackle and guard, but he wore #52.
That was my recollection as well. I believe the NCAA and HS rules are the same, in that the numbering does not determine the eligible receiver, knly their location on the line of scrimmage (conversely on the NFL, numbers are dictated by position, ie Reggie Bush).
I know it's the off-season, and we need something to fill that void in out lives left by the absence of football/basketball/hockey (nice try, friends/family/meaningful human contact, but you aren't getting it done)... but how about we wait to see what they actually do, and THEN we react?
Just a thought.
EDIT: This was meant as a reply to people above who were bagging on the assault on tradition.
... how the internet works.
My only concern is that this player is going to start falling down stairs out of airplanes.
/joke that was already old in the '70s.
Probably the most athletic President of the 20th century, and he's rememered as a clumsy oaf because of one goof.
Airplane stairs: serious business.
Golfing and athleticism go hand in hand.
Frankly, while not Barkley bad, Jordan was a pretty awful golfer. He wasn't anywhere in the class of a guy like Laimbeer, and we all know where those two would rank on a scale of pure athletic ability.
calling golfers "damn good athletes" might be pushing it just a tad...
Or being a sharpshooter. Or a surgeon. There's tremendous skill, and like in a lot of things it's easier to be in better shape than not. I mean, you can play baseball with a beer belly, but it's probably not optimal. But when it comes to what you were comparing - Ford didn't come off as a good athlete because he wasn't great at golf (vs. all those other truly great presidental golfers...) it's saying he comes off as physically unathletic (can't run, jump, show strength) because of an activity that's far more skill than athleticism. There's a talent there....but I'm not sure I'd call it athletic.
And Chevy Chase.
involving a football game against Chang's Army and honoring Pierce Hawthorne, I would smile...
and technically the 21st century, but (NO POLITICS) W zinging a strike after 9/11 while wearing a bullet proof vest that weighed as much as Vincent Smith was a pretty sweet athletic moment as well.
Then again, pretzels.
Can we get the Mathlete to do a study of president's altheticism vs. clumsyness? Wasn't Teddy Roosevelt a boxer?
was a moose rider. Again, different type of athleticism.
And let's not get into that old "are moose jockeys athletes?" debate.
...and you're not.
React? You want the mgoblog community to be reactive?
We're proactive around here! If you ain't first, you're last!
I really like the idea of honoring the retired numbers. Wish there would be a way Denard could wear 98 even if for one game.
We know he can score rushing and passing, but I'd love to see him score kicking, while also intercepting 3 passes and punting three times for an average of 50 yards agains the buckeyes!
Topped off with a standing ovation from the thug Ohio fans
I doubt this would happen even if he doubled those numbers these days. Fans were a lot classier back then. Also a lot less drunk I suspect.
Wait, what? What was the point of retiring it, then? And didn't they already announce that Roy Roundtree would be wearing #1? So confused...
Oh yeah, it was 21. I got those mixed up.
Wait, what? What was the point of retiring it, then?
The jersey was retired 18 years ago. The AD, coaching staff et al. are all different now and obviously have a different idea of how to honor past players.
I love the idea. Keep the tradition of what made Michigan football MICHIGAN FOOTBALL...and honor those who wore the jersey before them.
his number. Putting politics aside, Ford was an incredible guy who loved our favorite school:
Ford also visited with players and coaches during practices, at one point asking to join the players in the huddle. Ford often had the Naval band play the University of Michigan fight song, The Victors, before state events instead of Hail to the Chief. He also selected the song to be played during his funeral procession at the U.S. Capitol. On his death in December 2006, the University of Michigan Marching Band played the fight song for him one final time, for his last ride from the Gerald R. Ford Airport in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
He came back to Ann Arbor to give speeches to the team for many years. Even while he was President.
He was a subscriber to michigan's rivals website too. Perhaps it was scout but pretty sure it was rivals.
I think Bo is a little too excited to see the president in the first picture.
My thoughts exactly. He looks like a giddy little boy, but I guess it is kind of cute.
That bottom picture with Ford and Bo is incredible. Does anyone know where I can buy a hi res version of that picture? I really want that hung in my office.
Library. Here is a link: http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/coaches/bo/
EDIT: Sorry, that link does not show the particular photo you idenitified. However, the Bentley Library is probably going to have the photo.
Very cool that he had the band play "The Victors."
It is one thing to give the #1, #2 and #21 jersey to a player who some may not believe is worthy. It's another thing altogether to give a retired number (of a goddamn president no less) to anyone, no matter how great or respected as they may be. There is not a damn person on this team that is worthy of wearing Ford's number. That's why it's retired. A player can come in here and win multiple Heismans while being captain multiple years and they still wouldn't be deserving of #48. That number stands for so much more than just being a great athlete or a good guy.
I am going to be extremely pissed if this ends up being true. However, since Hoke knows his U of M football history and traditions more than even I could ever imagine, I will reserve my final judgement until all the facts are know...and I pray that one hell of reason is given.
Have people remember the man and the player, rather than have people wonder "hey, who was that number...how come we never see it?"...or more accurately, never think about it at all. It's more an honor to be remembered than forgotten. His family obviously thought so, because they signed off on it. (Unless they went completely against what they said they were going to do by asking the people and families of the number retirees and did it...but that would make for an awfully awkward ceremony....)
You have to believe that Ford's family is very much on board with the idea, and believe that he would be, also. It's possible that an impetus for the Legends patches was that this game against Air Force was on the schedule and Ford had served as a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy (and, for one year, was in Preflight School). You can't retire a jersey twice; so this will (hopefully) be an impressive way to remember and honor the President.
You may be fuming about this. But I am certain that the Ford family considers it to be a fitting tribute to their patriarch. And I'm guessing that Academic All-Big Ten senior Jordan Kovacs will be the individual to wear it proudly.
Honestly, how many Michigan fans are even aware that we've retired five numbers - and who the seven players are who wore them? Out of sight, out of mind.
Having a Legend patch might keep the memory of these guys a lot more fresh.
I love the idea of legend jerseys. I think it's much better than retiring jerseys for a few reasons:
That being said I believe that this should not be done without the permission of the former player/family of the former player whos jersey is being retired
<old guard yelling "Ramble Ramble Ramble!!">
If alive I’m sure Gerald Ford would have pardoned his number coming out of retirement.. As he demonstrated on September 8, 1974 he was a forgiving man.
when you don't explain them.
Unless there is a patch to remind everyone.
Let me get this straight, "Living legends" gets a patch but the player can still put their name on the back. "Legends" will hopefully get some kind of (small) marker too but the player can't put their name on the back.
I can imagine kids seeing the jersey, without a name, and asking their parents why and learning who made it great -- I think this is an awesome new tradition. Especially for Michigan, who revels in "Tradition" but on our own terms.
Let other teams keep numbers retired and forgotten, I'm glad we're doing something different. Change isn't always bad.
I think it's much cooler to have the number in circulation while honoring the legend, rather than retire it and basically forget about it unless you happen to look at the right spot in the stadium and think "oh wow that was his number and he was awesome."
Don't get upset, folks. Assuming this player get some camera time, you know what it means?
It means a whole lot of air-time devoted to talking about Michigan fans' favorite thing: the awesome history of the team.
Jordan Kovacs. He walked on and has done nothing but impress. Team captain and heart of our defense. He would be well deserving.
The reason they're doing this is because they needed to free up numbers so that they can retire 16 next year.
We don't hve a ring of honor or anything. Most people don't know which numbers are retired. The whole point of the patch and doing the MIchigan Legends thing is to give them recognition. This isn't a slap in the face to the president or anything, it's recognizing him in an active manner as someone important to our program.
We fear change...
I'm about as conservative as they come when it regards Michigan football history, but the patch thing is something that I believe actually enhances our history in a way that other schools haven't thought of. I have a friend who's a Washington guy who went to the ND game with me last year, he loved the idea and said he'd wish his team had thought of it.
This will go to whoever is an unspoken leader on the team, or demonstrates the highest level of character, like the Gerald Ford/Willis Ward story.
Can you imagine the response?!? Let's not go there.
Thanks for going there.
This thread makes me think of something. How will Hoke decide if a player is wearing 21 or 1? Both carry some significance. Is one now more important than the other? This has been bugging at me for a while.
1. 1 > 21
2. Becuase no one is wearing 1 this year
3. Because no one "deserves it"
4. Hoke decides. Why question that?
7. ^ Dave Brandon is happy
I like the idea. Honestly, there were names on the retired numbers list I didn't know and a lot of numbers I wouldn't have been able to connect to the names I did know (Ford's included). Having the jerseys back in circulation on the backs of the current team's stand-outs, with patches honoring the original Legends is a great way to keep Michigan's great history alive and in the spot-light year after year.
When is Brady Hoke going to be fitted for his embroidered Bo Schembechler cape? I don't know how we can move forward without letting everyone know that Bo Schembechler once was the coach of the football team every waking moment. It's truly a dishonor to the history of Michigan football.
unretire a number. retiring a number is a decision made by so many previous members of previous teams and administrations that it just seems like it is a decision that is as close to written in stone as there is. as difficult as it is to give players jerseys (which doesn't seem too big a deal), michigan's athletic traditions have so much to do with the steady hand and wisdom previous atheltic directors: Canham, Crisler, Yost, Bo.
there are so many decisions made by past administrations that we value today, things like ads in the stadium during games, parking on the golf course and retired numbers. this just seems like a large reversal for the sake of publcity and solving a very minute problem.
Disagree. Retiring numbers is in no way unique to UM, nor a 'UM' tradition. It was just something that was started long ago as a way to honor great players. But what happens when 100 years have passed after the person played? How does a number hanging on a wall really honor them? If you walked into the student section on any gameday and asked who the Wistert brothers are, how many do you think would know?
I think it would honor our greats much more to see someone else work their tail off and represent UM with greatness to earn the honor of wearing such a number. When a current player then goes onto the field wearing those numbers, it reminds those who never saw the past just who those greats were and what they accomplished. Plus, it can become a tradition that is uniquely Michigan.
Also, I believe the custom of retiring numbers started when roster sizes were much smaller than they are now. When you only have 40 players on the team, retiring a handful of numbers between 1 and 99 doesn't seem like a big deal. It's not a coincidence that we've only retired one number in the last 50 years or so (for a man who became President of the United States) - we've been concerned about running out of them.
i think i might not have been clear. i know that retired jerseys are not only michigan's. i just think that don canham or bo or someone of that level thought that the jersey should be retired and took action to do it and out of respect of that process, you just let it be.
what happens when the player who wears ford's number goes all boubacar?
i do agree however that seeing a player wearing a special number does do a special service to the original wearer and is a better route to go that retiring, from here on out.
The most important question is what Alabama radio station and is there a podcast/link?
EDIT: Found it thanks to the Bingoogle: http://joxfm.com/sectional.asp?id=23646&i=yes
it'll sell like hotcakes in ohio.
I think that Kovacs is a perfect fit for Ford's jersey, but I wonder whether these legends jerseys will be handed out at the coach's discretion (like the #1) or whether a mechanism can be set up to award the jersey based on a set of criteria.
For example, it would only seem fitting for Ford's number to automatically be awarded to the Defensive Starter with the top Academic performance.
Ford was a center...
Harmon's number is gonna be hard to give out.
Harmon's number should never be given out. There are retired numbers and then there are REALLY retired numbers.
Molk get #48 last year. But I agree that Kovacs seems to make the most sense at this point.
I know Ford was an O-linemen but I like Toussaint to wear it. Lewan already wears the coveted 77, and Ford played offense. Just a guess.
The Ford #48 announcement is interesting, but not nearly as interesting as Hoke saying that #1 will be worn in the "near future" (but not this year).
Call me crazy, but the very first thing that came to my mind - and maybe the most likely explanation - is a certain as-yet-uncommitted HS senior will be wearing it in 2013.
I didn't read that much into it, but it is an interesting idea. Who knows for sure?
FWIW, I thought it meant more 'not this year, but we're totally open to it on a year-by-year basis.'
There's no way Hoke is already planning on giving the #1 jersey to a player who isn't even committed yet, let alone on campus.
So it's not "crazy" - it's a recruiting tool that you may use in very select circumstances.
And my point wasn't that Hoke was planning on giving the number to a player that was uncommitted ... it was that maybe he knows something about the likelihood of a commitment that we don't know.
After listening to the interview (link in thread above), I don't think that's what he was getting at. Hoke said the following about whether we'd see #1 on the field: "I think in the near future, but I can't tell you it'll be this season. That's something we're doing a lot of thinking about...."
With the fuller context of the audio, I no longer think that's what he meant. But I think it was a perfectly reasonable suggestion based on the information contained in the tweet linked by the OP.
For most of Michigan Football history?
"Hoke saying that #1 will be worn in the "near future" (but not this year). "
I just think the argument for unretiring numbers based on them not being displayed is a strange one. Isn't there room to display them on the sides of the scoreboards or on the press/luxury boxes?
My only strong feeling on the matter is that #11, #47, and #98 should stay retired. Ron Kramer himself even said he would consider letting someone wear #87 if they wanted it and were good enough, and Ford's #48 was worn until 1994, long after he had been president.
It's not so much about there not being an opportunity to display the numbers as 1) our roster needing more than 94 available numbers and 2) there being other worthy candidates for a retired jersey who can't receive the honor because of reason #1.
I don't mind doing the current commemorative patch, but I also don't see the need to put the retired numbers back into circulation. Leave the retired numbers alone and do this system from now on. Look no further than our basketball team, where there are 5 numbers hanging up in the rafters of Crisler Arena. Cazzie Russell's #33 is fully retired, the other four are "honored" and the numbers remain in circulation. I don't think there's a problem in having a hybrid solution.
One of the Wisert brothers is still living (91). I have no idea his capacities, but it would be awesome to have him come back for a legends number, sooner rather than later.
Ford's number was retired because he was and remains unique in Michigan history. I understand the various arguments for getting the numbers back on the field and honoring the person in a way that keeps the honor in front of the fans. That makes sense to me when the primary achievements of the person so honored were on the field or in sports.
Ford achieved his greatest goals long after he left football and sports. His number was not retired because of his achievements on the field, but because he was president and served with honor and humility during a particulary difficult time in our history. While it makes sense to require the family to authorize reactivation of a retired number in most cases, their wishes are less relevant when the honor was in rememberance a former president. Ford served in a highly polarized time, and, in the eyes of many of us, restored honor to a damaged office. After Nixon, Ford's presidency was somehow more personal.
I like and respect Brady Hoke, what he's done so far, and the values he brings to Michigan. Despite that, after due consideration, I think this is a mistake. Ford's number should not be reactivated. He was a very special Michigan man, and the handling of his number should reflect his and its uniqueness.
You know the better way to honor Gerald Ford than his family does. Got it.
When is Fitz switching to 98. The number all great Michigan RBs will wear.
The biggest question for me about the legend numbers is how can there be NEW legends formed if the 5 best (eventualy) players on the team every year are wearing a legend number.
I guess there will have to be a lot of patches then
It's going to be a rare honor, I think. But if there are two legends sharing a number, they can just put both names on the patch.
Is Unnamed Player any good. I cant remember what position he plays. What recruiting class was he from.
Angelique did a write-up here:
To me, as long as the family is on board with using the number, then that should be sufficient, for it is a unique way to honor his time here and his achievements after his time here at the same time. There are only 44 people in history (including the current President) who have had the job and one of them is a Michigan alum and former Michigan athlete. I think it would be great to have a player wear #48 this year - a nice tribute indeed. Brandon even says in the article that it would not be a frequent occurence. It's really not a bad way to make our history part of the present and remind people of the tradition here and what some of our players have become in life.
There are only 44 people in history (including the current President) who have had the job
Actually, there have only been 43 people to hold the presidency. Grover Cleveland is considered to be both the 22nd and 24th President.
to see Jake Ryan make havok in it.
I agree with others. Which others? Retiring numbers makes them forgotten numbers. Who remembers that all the Wisterts wore #11? Putting the number on a worthy player with a patch keeps the memory alive and provides a way to "tell the history" behind the number with each player that wears it. Agree that it can be a recruiting tool, but what current generation kid even knows about Tom Harmon or any of the Wisterts? So, somewhat limited, but still, a great way to honor the player by keeping their memory alive through the current generation playing for Michigan.
As for who gets #48? Kovacs or maybe Jake Ryan.
The coaches are going to have to work out some position groupings for using these numbers. We'll find out where #48 ends up, but I think linebacker/secondary is a logical place.
What kind of car was Big Will trying to wear on his tummy? Was it a Ford? Hoke probably got this idea from BWC's little college escapade, and decided to award the prestigious #48 to BWC. Nice gesture.
Kinda like the guy wearing Big Poppy on his back, for penance BWC has to run the steps of the Big House with a life size replica of Gerald Ford on his back. Too Cool
To who ever has the highest gpa on the team, or is majoring in public policy.
oooof.... I don't like this at all. I think it's a matter of tradition (what UM does best).
I hated this idea before it was cool to! But seriously, it better be Kovacs.
Whoa, look out guys. Apparently saying UM has a great tradition means you're a troll around here (according to my superfan/stalker that keeps -1ing everything I do).