My thoughts exactly. He looks like a giddy little boy, but I guess it is kind of cute.
and... i like them? I think I like them.
My thoughts exactly. He looks like a giddy little boy, but I guess it is kind of cute.
That bottom picture with Ford and Bo is incredible. Does anyone know where I can buy a hi res version of that picture? I really want that hung in my office.
Library. Here is a link: http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/coaches/bo/
EDIT: Sorry, that link does not show the particular photo you idenitified. However, the Bentley Library is probably going to have the photo.
Very cool that he had the band play "The Victors."
It is one thing to give the #1, #2 and #21 jersey to a player who some may not believe is worthy. It's another thing altogether to give a retired number (of a goddamn president no less) to anyone, no matter how great or respected as they may be. There is not a damn person on this team that is worthy of wearing Ford's number. That's why it's retired. A player can come in here and win multiple Heismans while being captain multiple years and they still wouldn't be deserving of #48. That number stands for so much more than just being a great athlete or a good guy.
I am going to be extremely pissed if this ends up being true. However, since Hoke knows his U of M football history and traditions more than even I could ever imagine, I will reserve my final judgement until all the facts are know...and I pray that one hell of reason is given.
Have people remember the man and the player, rather than have people wonder "hey, who was that number...how come we never see it?"...or more accurately, never think about it at all. It's more an honor to be remembered than forgotten. His family obviously thought so, because they signed off on it. (Unless they went completely against what they said they were going to do by asking the people and families of the number retirees and did it...but that would make for an awfully awkward ceremony....)
You have to believe that Ford's family is very much on board with the idea, and believe that he would be, also. It's possible that an impetus for the Legends patches was that this game against Air Force was on the schedule and Ford had served as a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy (and, for one year, was in Preflight School). You can't retire a jersey twice; so this will (hopefully) be an impressive way to remember and honor the President.
You may be fuming about this. But I am certain that the Ford family considers it to be a fitting tribute to their patriarch. And I'm guessing that Academic All-Big Ten senior Jordan Kovacs will be the individual to wear it proudly.
Honestly, how many Michigan fans are even aware that we've retired five numbers - and who the seven players are who wore them? Out of sight, out of mind.
Having a Legend patch might keep the memory of these guys a lot more fresh.
I love the idea of legend jerseys. I think it's much better than retiring jerseys for a few reasons:
That being said I believe that this should not be done without the permission of the former player/family of the former player whos jersey is being retired
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If alive I’m sure Gerald Ford would have pardoned his number coming out of retirement.. As he demonstrated on September 8, 1974 he was a forgiving man.
when you don't explain them.
Unless there is a patch to remind everyone.
Let me get this straight, "Living legends" gets a patch but the player can still put their name on the back. "Legends" will hopefully get some kind of (small) marker too but the player can't put their name on the back.
I can imagine kids seeing the jersey, without a name, and asking their parents why and learning who made it great -- I think this is an awesome new tradition. Especially for Michigan, who revels in "Tradition" but on our own terms.
Let other teams keep numbers retired and forgotten, I'm glad we're doing something different. Change isn't always bad.
I think it's much cooler to have the number in circulation while honoring the legend, rather than retire it and basically forget about it unless you happen to look at the right spot in the stadium and think "oh wow that was his number and he was awesome."
Don't get upset, folks. Assuming this player get some camera time, you know what it means?
It means a whole lot of air-time devoted to talking about Michigan fans' favorite thing: the awesome history of the team.
Jordan Kovacs. He walked on and has done nothing but impress. Team captain and heart of our defense. He would be well deserving.
The reason they're doing this is because they needed to free up numbers so that they can retire 16 next year.
We don't hve a ring of honor or anything. Most people don't know which numbers are retired. The whole point of the patch and doing the MIchigan Legends thing is to give them recognition. This isn't a slap in the face to the president or anything, it's recognizing him in an active manner as someone important to our program.
We fear change...
I'm about as conservative as they come when it regards Michigan football history, but the patch thing is something that I believe actually enhances our history in a way that other schools haven't thought of. I have a friend who's a Washington guy who went to the ND game with me last year, he loved the idea and said he'd wish his team had thought of it.
This will go to whoever is an unspoken leader on the team, or demonstrates the highest level of character, like the Gerald Ford/Willis Ward story.
Can you imagine the response?!? Let's not go there.
Thanks for going there.
This thread makes me think of something. How will Hoke decide if a player is wearing 21 or 1? Both carry some significance. Is one now more important than the other? This has been bugging at me for a while.
1. 1 > 21
2. Becuase no one is wearing 1 this year
3. Because no one "deserves it"
4. Hoke decides. Why question that?
7. ^ Dave Brandon is happy
I like the idea. Honestly, there were names on the retired numbers list I didn't know and a lot of numbers I wouldn't have been able to connect to the names I did know (Ford's included). Having the jerseys back in circulation on the backs of the current team's stand-outs, with patches honoring the original Legends is a great way to keep Michigan's great history alive and in the spot-light year after year.
When is Brady Hoke going to be fitted for his embroidered Bo Schembechler cape? I don't know how we can move forward without letting everyone know that Bo Schembechler once was the coach of the football team every waking moment. It's truly a dishonor to the history of Michigan football.
unretire a number. retiring a number is a decision made by so many previous members of previous teams and administrations that it just seems like it is a decision that is as close to written in stone as there is. as difficult as it is to give players jerseys (which doesn't seem too big a deal), michigan's athletic traditions have so much to do with the steady hand and wisdom previous atheltic directors: Canham, Crisler, Yost, Bo.
there are so many decisions made by past administrations that we value today, things like ads in the stadium during games, parking on the golf course and retired numbers. this just seems like a large reversal for the sake of publcity and solving a very minute problem.
Disagree. Retiring numbers is in no way unique to UM, nor a 'UM' tradition. It was just something that was started long ago as a way to honor great players. But what happens when 100 years have passed after the person played? How does a number hanging on a wall really honor them? If you walked into the student section on any gameday and asked who the Wistert brothers are, how many do you think would know?
I think it would honor our greats much more to see someone else work their tail off and represent UM with greatness to earn the honor of wearing such a number. When a current player then goes onto the field wearing those numbers, it reminds those who never saw the past just who those greats were and what they accomplished. Plus, it can become a tradition that is uniquely Michigan.
Also, I believe the custom of retiring numbers started when roster sizes were much smaller than they are now. When you only have 40 players on the team, retiring a handful of numbers between 1 and 99 doesn't seem like a big deal. It's not a coincidence that we've only retired one number in the last 50 years or so (for a man who became President of the United States) - we've been concerned about running out of them.
i think i might not have been clear. i know that retired jerseys are not only michigan's. i just think that don canham or bo or someone of that level thought that the jersey should be retired and took action to do it and out of respect of that process, you just let it be.
what happens when the player who wears ford's number goes all boubacar?
i do agree however that seeing a player wearing a special number does do a special service to the original wearer and is a better route to go that retiring, from here on out.
The most important question is what Alabama radio station and is there a podcast/link?
EDIT: Found it thanks to the Bingoogle: http://joxfm.com/sectional.asp?id=23646&i=yes
it'll sell like hotcakes in ohio.
I think that Kovacs is a perfect fit for Ford's jersey, but I wonder whether these legends jerseys will be handed out at the coach's discretion (like the #1) or whether a mechanism can be set up to award the jersey based on a set of criteria.
For example, it would only seem fitting for Ford's number to automatically be awarded to the Defensive Starter with the top Academic performance.
Ford was a center...
Harmon's number is gonna be hard to give out.
Harmon's number should never be given out. There are retired numbers and then there are REALLY retired numbers.
Molk get #48 last year. But I agree that Kovacs seems to make the most sense at this point.
I know Ford was an O-linemen but I like Toussaint to wear it. Lewan already wears the coveted 77, and Ford played offense. Just a guess.
The Ford #48 announcement is interesting, but not nearly as interesting as Hoke saying that #1 will be worn in the "near future" (but not this year).
Call me crazy, but the very first thing that came to my mind - and maybe the most likely explanation - is a certain as-yet-uncommitted HS senior will be wearing it in 2013.
I didn't read that much into it, but it is an interesting idea. Who knows for sure?
FWIW, I thought it meant more 'not this year, but we're totally open to it on a year-by-year basis.'
There's no way Hoke is already planning on giving the #1 jersey to a player who isn't even committed yet, let alone on campus.
So it's not "crazy" - it's a recruiting tool that you may use in very select circumstances.
And my point wasn't that Hoke was planning on giving the number to a player that was uncommitted ... it was that maybe he knows something about the likelihood of a commitment that we don't know.
After listening to the interview (link in thread above), I don't think that's what he was getting at. Hoke said the following about whether we'd see #1 on the field: "I think in the near future, but I can't tell you it'll be this season. That's something we're doing a lot of thinking about...."
With the fuller context of the audio, I no longer think that's what he meant. But I think it was a perfectly reasonable suggestion based on the information contained in the tweet linked by the OP.
For most of Michigan Football history?
"Hoke saying that #1 will be worn in the "near future" (but not this year). "
I just think the argument for unretiring numbers based on them not being displayed is a strange one. Isn't there room to display them on the sides of the scoreboards or on the press/luxury boxes?
My only strong feeling on the matter is that #11, #47, and #98 should stay retired. Ron Kramer himself even said he would consider letting someone wear #87 if they wanted it and were good enough, and Ford's #48 was worn until 1994, long after he had been president.