They can wear prom dresses for all I care. Win #900 will overshadow whatever ridiculous outfits they wear Saturday.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
They can wear prom dresses for all I care. Win #900 will overshadow whatever ridiculous outfits they wear Saturday.
Forget that they were hideous to look at. How in the hell we thought it was a good idea to change uniforms 15 minutes before our biggest game of the year I have no idea.
I felt going on a John L Smith like rant about how the kids were playing their tails off and the marketers were screwing it up!
Im sorry, but any game against a non conference opponent is NOT the biggest game of the year... PERIOD. Is our goal every year to beat ND? No, it is to WIN THE B1G CHAMPIONSHIP. Beating ND never has, and never will have anything to do with that.
Going to the rose bowl a big deal, but I do.
I consider winning the Big Ten very important. What I don't understand is the notion that the six conference games we won weren't important and the two we lost were.
rivals, is in the same division, competes for the same instate recuirts and had beaten us 3 years in arow?
I mean seriously, why are people even debating this point? Are people just too arrogant and stubborn to even acknowledge that MSU is a big game every year and even more so in the last couple years?!?
Now you're arguing something else. I agree that it's a big game; I just don't think it was the biggest game of the season last year.
Can you honestly tell me that you'd swap the outcomes of the MSU and OSU games last year?
If you mean that MSU would be 6-2 with a loss to Michigan, then absolutely. If you're just saying in a vacuum, then of course I agree, but our championship and Rose Bowl hopes had a lot more to do with MSU than OSU last season.
Edit: M-Wolverine beat me to the punch, which isn't all that surprising I guess.
No one said it wasn't a really big game. But you said biggest. As has been pointed out, you can argue UTL, but Ohio State is narually always bigger (and we actually compete with more recruits with them than MSU...at least we should), and after having been that long without beating them, I'd say it's one of those once a generation times where beating OSU was probably more important than winning the Big Ten. Because we've actually won the Big Ten more recently than we've beat OSU. It would have been a horrible feeling for all to go another year, with them having a new coach and the game being down there this year, even with a Big Ten title. Hollow at best.
You'd have a better chance claiming getting the MSU monkey off our back this year was a bigger deal, with Hoke already being 1-0 vs. the Buckeyes. Even with it looking like it may not mean as much in the conference standing (unless a Sparty upset elevates their team for the season). Hasn't been since 2002 that anyone could make that argument.
But I bet if we get to the end of the season and beat Meyer in his first game, at the Horseshoe, and Brady gets them up here next year to possibly go 3-0 against them...that'd feel pretty sweet. But getting ahead of ourselves.
No way... that game proved WAY more important for us not going to Indy or Pasadena last year.
Enter division opponent over osu argument here. And don't even bring up nd because over than the novelty of being our first night game it had no impact on the season or bowl game. Msu still went to indy, and could have gone to the rose bowl after being annihilated by nd.
This is and was most important.
If we don't beat osu, we still have that monkey on our back, plus we don't go to the Sugar Bowl.
You are right about the MSU game as it pertains to winning the B1G championship. If we had beaten MSU last year we would have been playing Wisconsin in Indy. I don't think this statement is entirely accurate though -
And don't even bring up nd because over than the novelty of being our first night game it had no impact on the season or bowl game.
While it is always the goal to win a B1G championship, the Notre Dame game was an important factor in our Sugar Bowl appearance. Had Michigan State beaten Notre Dame they would have been higher in the rankings with only 2 losses, after their loss to Wisconsin. That would have given them a small chance to get a BCS invite, which they were not going to get with 3 losses. In the end, neither Michigan or Michigan State got what they wanted (the B1G title) but it was Michigan that went to a BCS bowl game and not Michigan State, and you could argue that the Notre Dame game was the difference.
The "don't even bring up nd" sounds a lot more harsh when its isolated like that. I just meant that they weren't a conference opponent. I understand what osu means but man, we had a drought against them for awhile and it sucked but I'd rather have ended the one against msu first because of the divisions. Doing a day count of the osu timeline stings but I'd compare it to the national debt right now in that the bottom line is it is a silly number. Two thousand days? It gets to a point where it all blurs together. That is no better than 300 days or 3000 days.
You can argue that the MSU game was more important than Nebraska, or ND (although I'd argue the UTL game was a big confidence-booster for the program). But no way was it bigger than the Game. We had gone 2,926 days since our last win over the Bucks. It would have been absolutely devastating to lose that game. Besides, if we'd have beaten MSU and lost to OSU (all else equal), Sparty would have won the division anyway.
But if we had beat MSU and lost to OSU, wouldn't we have won the division. My memory may be off, but then teams would have lost to-
Michigan - Iowa, OSU
MSU - Michigan, Nebraska
Nebraska - Wisconsin, Michigan, Northwestern
So we'd both have two losses, and we'd have won the head to head.
Whoops - you're right about that. We would have won the division. Regardless, we needed to end the OSU losing streak. We spent all year chanting "Beat Ohio" for a reason.
id rather beat fuckin msu then continue to get beat by them every year, and having to deal with all the msu fan's in michigan
They saw how many turnovers last time we played a team with photoluminescent helmets.
Maybe we ARE distracted by shiny things!
Save it for next year Mork! Your season is over.
Brandon said we would wear our normal uniforms the rest of the year, but you never know with his uniform fetish whether we'll come out wearing something ridiculous. We had no warning last year with the bumblebees.
I think we could use all-maize to honor long-standing Michigan traditions. The important thing is to make sure the tops and bottoms don't quite match.
If State does wear ridiculous uniforms, hopefully for them they will not increase the humiliation several degrees by pulling a "fakeout" and changing into them just before the game starts. That was really smooth.
Looks like a D-III school from around these parts. Heyyy Castleton State
I just got an idea that could change EVERYTHING! Lets take our regular helmets but make all the colors shiny metalic, and put it under a clear coat. Nobody has EVER done that!
/Turns on Oregon game
My friend in the MSU AD says yes this is true but he said the helmet is it. No other uniform change. Decided metallic advantage.
Well turned phrase
I for one am intimidated and terrified.
Their effect on the field is terrifying enough. Imagine how many of the intergalactic recruits that Dantonio is now pulling will be drawn to the phosphorescent helmets the way moths are attracted to a flaming couch...
Michigan State...burning couches
I actually think both look pretty good, even if they're highly derivative.
Yeah, what kind of idiots would have surprise uniforms for a rivalry game?
the idea of crazy uniforms for a rivalry game. Why not?
With helmets like those why should we even dress for the game?
Any chance they did this after seeing the pic of the MSU helmets our guys were wearing in practice?
Actually think the helmet looks pretty cool. I'd further posit that if they made a Michigan winged helmet like this that we'd all be going nuts and high-fiving each other right now.
Michigan State and "Cool" should NEVER be used in the same sentence. One of these things is not like the other!!
He didn't use michigan state and cool in the same sentence. And what if you were to say, "michigan state is so not cool." Still violate your rule?
technically no but, there are so many better more colorful ways to say it!!
if Michigan ever makes a helmet like this, you are going to see a riot.
I'll be the one in it.
Count me in. Torch and pitchfork in hand.
Not a chance. If there was no riot after the bumble bees, there would not be a riot after a metalic helmet.
The bumblebees did no where near as much damage to our uniform legacy as metallic helmets would. Our helmets are off limits. Numbers and stickers are ok to change things up, but the minute they touch the wing or color scheme I'm going ape shit.
This must be your first day here. In the past year there have probably been a half dozen threads dedicated to the piping on away jerseys. We fear change.
I would further posit that your assertion is far from the truth. This board has a pseudo-meltodwn anytime Brandon introduces another jersey, a major board topic for any differences noticed in the piping of the jerseys, endless discussions about the "maize" and "yellow" qualities/characteristics of apparel over the years, and a decided opinion that Michigan's helmet is THE GREATEST in all of college football.
You think "we'd all be going nuts and high-fiving each other right now"? Sir, I must strongly disagree.
Sure, there's a freakout at every proposed change, but then people see the real thing and most end up thinking, "eh....not as bad when you see it in person." In the past, this has generally been true for the 1998 video boards, luxury boxes/stadium renovation, UTL jerseys, bball shorts, cowboy classic uniforms.
Maybe Denard & Co. can hang these ornaments on their Christmas tree this year...
Those kinds, drop one and they shatter into a million little pieces.
shiny or not, their offense is not good. Go Blue!
the clowniformz... the horror... the horror...
Doesn't matter what they look like before the game. They'll have Maize and Blue ALL over them by the end.
I dont understand all the uniform hate up in here. Not saying change is always good, or that I have like all of our uniform variations, but Im game for something new every now and again.
I think im the only person here who actually like the ND asymetrical uniforms for being unique. Do I like it enough to change stuff like that perminently? no, but special uniforms gets publicity, publicity leads to getting your name out there, and the more your name is out there the more recruits hear it. Does a single uniform sway a commits decision? no, but again, as long as you arent being reported for an NCAA violation, any press is good press.
I wouldn't call it "uniform hate" at all. I think it's more a case of a lot of people here wanting to see a slightly higher football-to-marketing ratio on the field.
It's definitely uniform hate with me. It's all tinkering for the sole sake of goosing new jersey sales. That's all.
Well spoken, my friend.
I'm in the tiny group of people who enjoys the Maryland uniforms (even the turtle-shell helmet). I tend to enjoy this more when other schools do it, though. If Dave Brandon ever touches the Michigan helmet, I will....well, be upset and bitch about it on the internet, probably, but you get what I'm saying.
to put a nice script STAEE on there.
Looks like Oregon's leftovers
I like the helmet, other than it has a spartan on it and its green!
No matter what color dress she wears.
Do you guys see it? In the reflection..? It's Andrew maxwell taking the picture!
Couldn't be...if Maxwell took the shot the image would be incomplete.
I remember the worst week of the season being the week that you had to break in your new helmet. I think it would suck to have to do it in the middle of the season right before a big game.
make them block and catch, I don't think it'll matter too much.
No amount of pro combat can cover up how ugly a beat down we're about to give them will make them look. They'd do better to dress up in some other teams unis so on replays they can pretend it didn't happen to them.
Coming soon: Michigan unveils similar disco-ball helmets, lights, brands UM/MSU game as "Disco Dogfight".
Um....I actually like them.
Now - I do not want us join the "jersey/helmet of the week" club and would love to see us go back to actual maize n blue uni's a-la early 90's but for teams that do embrace the tradition of not keeping traditions these are not that bad. Be honest now......they are WAY better than last year's Kellen Winslow's "I'm a soldier" throwbacks and are not nearly as bad as Notre Dame's epic uniform fail this with the two sided helmets.
Don't know how they'll look on top of whatever uniform they decide to unleah on us tomorrow but as stand-alone I think they look pretty cool.
Maxwell will have a #47 imprint on his shiny new helmet. I mostly feel sorry for the guy. Mostly.
Well we're pretty much fucked. They might as well be riding bear cavalry into the stadium.
It'll be great to beat their ass and those ugly ass helmets.
I hope the Spartans come up with the most fantastic, advanced, gorgeous unis EVAH!....
.... And we beat the snot out of them, sending them back to Lansing caked with blood, snot, and mud.
And full of cleat holes.
(But no serious injuries. That isn't cool.)
That helmet doesn't look bad. While I rarely think that new uniforms look nice, I've liked some of the helmets this season (Nebraska's black helmets vs. Wisconsin, Rutgers' silver, and some of the matte finishes). The sporting goods industry seems a lot better at designing helmets than uniforms.
helmets don't look half bad, but it won't save them.
all hat, no beef, especially on that O line. Go Blue!
You mean they are not unveiling their new prison uni's.
help with getting the wind knocked out of their heads.
Remember that the Michigan players went nuts when they saw those waiting for them in the locker room in East Lansing last year. They loved them and the game is for them first and foremost.
The fact that square older people like us didn't like them shouldn't be the deciding factor.
I thought the consensus after the game was that Michigan wouldn't do that again because it was too distracting. I don't know exactly how it played out, but I think you want your players thinking about the game and not distracted by their "cool" new clothes. I always thought that was one of the problems with road games, that players were occassionally distracted a little by things that were unfamiliar that day, like the hotel, lockerroom, etc. It makes you feel a little "out of sorts." (Road woes are about more than just crowd noise).
I guess Michigan is now of the opinion that gameday should be so rouine and practiced that there should be minimum distractions.
So, is it a good thing for Michigan if MSU is a little distracted?
P.S. - I don't think it matters much, but it is somewhat interesting to discuss.
Doesn't matter. Michigan wins this game. They can take their pretty helmets home and throw them in the trash, cause they're not going to want to remember this one.
This way there'll be a nice big flash when Le'veon Bell runs into that wall of Michigan defenders 50 times for a minimal gain