he doesnt burn it.
Under what circumstance does Hoke burn Stonum's redshirt?
Exactly, this should be viewed as a semi-suspension (I say semi because he can still practice with the team).
We see it often, kids get kicked off the team and get in more trouble. I know plenty of people who had trouble at michigan (or just going off to college) when all of a sudden you have so much free time and no supervision. Now, since Stonum is still on the team, he gets to still have some structure in his life (practice, study sessions, meals, etc.), he has a definitive goal he's working towards (staying out of trouble so that he makes an impact as a 5th year senior) and he gets to stay on scholarship. Kicking him off the team completely could send him into a spiral and get him in even more trouble (see: Booboo). I hope he takes the opportunity to get back on the right track
no way...his credibility would take too big of a hit...
To avoid being a hypocrite like Dantonio, I expect under no circumstances...
With @sses like valenti and killer out there second guessing the move, there is no chance Stonum plays this year. This is a good thing because Stonum does not deserve to play this year.
Only of Hoke suffers some sort of backbone injury (see: Dantonio, Mark).
In other words... no.
Stonum is out for the year. Hoke will stick by his word
No chance ever, this answer should have come to you while you were typing this question.
Hmmm... I had not considered this possibility. Hopefully the situation does not arise where this decision would have to be made.
If Stonum is suspended for the season (as I understand him to be), Hoke cannot walk that back for any reason.
Redshirt is not the same thing as a suspension, AFAIK.
No they are not but my understanding is Stonum is redshirting because he was suspended.
Saying "he will redshirt this season" is just a nice way of saying his ass is suspended all year.
Zero, Zip, Nada, None,No Way,It's over.
None. None. And none.
If anything, and if a worst-case scenario ever arose, Stonum is the one who burns with guilt and penitent rage over his actions.
I dont think you understand the kind of man Hoke is.
Personally, if some horrible injury or suspension issue arose this year and Hemingway, Roundtree, The Robinsons, Dileo, Odoms, Jackson, and all potential TBs that could move to WR were unavailable, I would rather Hoke start walk-on WRs instead of go back on his word and play Stonum.
The Rules Are The Rules.
as the next Sparty coach...he won't.
Everyone in AA will Stonum if that happens.
That joke was a little Hokey.
I Shaw what you did there!
Roh, no! The puns are coming. I'm gonna Molk this for all it's worth.
Wile you guys are doing this some of us are wondering about Stonum.
Darryl should just be glad he got suspended and that Hoke didn't decide to Stonum. That wouldn't Khoury much favor in Ann Arbor though, which I hear is Avery liberal town.
What's the Mattison?
Let me know when Yerden with the stupid puns, because honestly I'm getting pretty tired of Herron them.
You all should be kicked in Denards.
That'd be worse than if he never sat him in the first place.
That is probably the one thing Hoke could do this year to make me lose the most respect for him.
He might burn Stonum's shirt because he hates the color red...
Other than that, no chance.
He burns it because he hates red!!! HA A HA HLOL WOOOOO!!!
If what's being reported (in some places) is true, Hoke gave Stonum the option of just being suspended for several games. If this is the case, it wouldn't be crazy for Hoke to take off the redshirt and allow him to play after the number of games originally proposed to Stonum.
If true, it wouldn't be the same as suspending him for the year and then going back on it.
Yeah, it would be the same. He made a public announcement. That's the bottom line. The negotiations that went on between him and Stonum matter no more.
It's more important that Hoke does what's right by the kids than keep the general public 100% on the up and up.
hopefully Stonum knows that it's better for him to sit out a year and address his personal issues. He will get better/stronger/faster and ready for a full RS Senior season. He will be able to help his draft stock by improving his play on the field and showing he has strong character off the field.
Or, put on your foil hats, this is part of his master plan to be able to play in his home state against Saban and the boys next year.
And to answer the question, Hoke would enroll in school and use his fifth year of eligibility and line up at WR himself before he would burn the redshirt.
Outside of single-handedly saving a truckload of puppies from crashing headlong into a schoolbus full of kindergarten students, no circumstance would be dire enough for Stonum to see the field. I'd rather see Michigan revert to a triple option offense than to see Stonum on the field for a game.
Ahhhh I love the chorus of "nones" "nevers" and "nopes". Just pos-banged nearly every comment on here. Fun times.
Maybe if Stonum asks real nice.
Someone needs to whack you upside the head.
- Are you a teenager that doesn't understand the meaning of the word "no?"
- Are you a Sparty troll?
- Are you an idiot?
- Do you want Hoke to quit as coach?
- Do you want Hoke to commit Hari Kari?
- Do you want Hoke to self-immolate?
- Do you want Hoke to show character and integrity like Tressel?
- Are you a closet SEC fan?
Worst case scenario to me is for Hoke to burn Stonum's redshirt.
I guess mama was wrong. There are stupid questions.
None, zippo, zilch, nada.
Only if we ran out of offensive players due to some kind of plague that was unleashed on the team the week of the Ohio State game, IMO.
Highly unlikely Stonum gets to play this year. I won't say there's a 0% percent chance... but I would be VERY surprised if he sees the field at any point this season. Hoke wants to send the message. The Team comes first and that players need to be accountable. Installing a Championship mentality is priority number 1.
Under one circumstance: in which Stonum invents a time machine, goes back to those two nights he drank and drove, and abstains.
Agreed. This isn't a redshirt because he's a freshman or because of an injury. This is disciplinary. With the depth we have at WR and because Hoke strikes me as a man of integrity, there's is no logical situation I can foresee in which he's burning his redshirt. Besides, in a selfish way, its much more beneficial for the team to have him for the 2012 season anyways.
The Only Circumstance in which Hoke would burn Stonum's redshirt is if Stonum were actually wearing a red shirt and Hoke found it highly offensive.
I already told the press yesterday that I will not elaborate any further than i already have.
Its a private matter between Me, Darryl.
Best case scenario: Stonum practices with the team, learns the system, behaves, and plays next year
Worst case scenario: Stonum gets in trouble again, off the team
Per Josh Helmholdt's twitter "Rivals100 WR Jordan Payton of Westlake Village (Calif.) Oaks Christian lists #Michigan No. 1 http://bit.ly/rdejrc"
Hoke might burn Stonum's redshirt when hell freezes over, even then its highly unlikely
Nobody has mentioned this: what if Stonum commits some sort of ridiculously heroic act that saves the entire team between now and Western? If he redirects a meteor from Ann Arbor to Columbus, I think he's shown that he really does have the dedication to the team required to play, and I for one would be fine with Hoke announcing his return.
Or maybe he can directly make up for his actions if he spots a drunk driver on the road hurling out of control toward a family with young children and, soberly, smashes his car into the drunkard, saving the family.
In that instance, I would approve the burning of his red shirt.
right around 0 percent
He would be seriously compromising his integrity by doing so. There's no reason to think Hoke would go all Dantonio on us and reverse course on disciplinary issues.
There's no chance we'll see Stonum this season.
I don't get why posters are so adamant that this will never happen. It's possible Stonum is on his best behavior and Hoke changes his mind. It's possible that, God forbid, Hoke didn't give us 100% of the story. And there isn't anything wrong with that.
Look this might sound arrogant, and if it is, it is. Where Michigan and I will made this decision.
My players are being held accountable for their actions, Period(pointing at you)
And I already told you that I'm not good at english and I like to make words up. So it is was what it is.
It would need to spontaneously combust or otherwise accidentally catch fire and be consumed. Beyond those unlikely events, the redshirt stays firmly on.
Knowing Hoke's distaste for Red, I say there is a really good chance he burns that damn infernal redshirt. God willing, going forward Michigan men will be granted Blueshirts.
There's a better chance that Stonum transfers, quits football or goes pro after this year than Hoke going back on his word.
So go head and take him off your NCAA Football 2012 depth chart, he's not playing this year. Leave him on the roster for next year.
Given the nature of the situation, he should be considered lucky if he even dresses for home games. This is a question that shouldn't have even needed to be asked.
If Stonum wears an OSU shirt to practice, Hoke should immediately burn it.