SAMgO

September 24th, 2015 at 9:21 AM ^

I haven't read the article yet, but when I clicked on it from this thread claiming "unbiased" journalism, I didn't quite expect the first sentence of the title to be "I've hated Michigan my entire life" and the photo caption to be "Michigan is the worst. Please beat the Wolverines".I'll go read it now.

FauxMo

September 24th, 2015 at 11:25 AM ^

Um, yes, yes it was. It was at least ironical in the classical sense, i.e. stating something and meaning the diametrical opposite.

Or were you employing irony here as well in saying that what I said was not ironic? Oh shit, I am now caught in an infinite loop...

Alumnus93

September 24th, 2015 at 9:29 AM ^

Yes, it was well written and factual..   however an odd, glaring ommission is when he is talking about our great defensive line, he fails to mention the teams best player Chris Wormley.  Quite odd.  Wonder if this has anything to do with OSU being so pissed they lost him to us.

getsome

September 24th, 2015 at 10:11 AM ^

last i checked osu was doing just fine at DL.  

im sure wormley would help (and he has been quite good so far though well see if he can remain consistent and perform against better OLs this year), but theyve had enough all league and nfl players on DL over past decade or so

DrMantisToboggan

September 24th, 2015 at 9:32 AM ^

This article is pretty bad. I barely got through the offense section. Had to quit when he called Darboh one of the fastest on the team and mentioned Green before Drake Johnson even after Drake ran through his beloved Buckeye D last year. Can't expect fans of other teams to be michigan fanatics like us, but if you're gonna write a snapshot of the team try to do it well.




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MattisonMan

September 24th, 2015 at 9:35 AM ^

I can't imagine that this kind of anti-Michigan hate is based on interactions with real people. They build up this obnoxious straw man to hate that I don't see as reality. Example:

"Michigan fans hate it when you mention that a huge chunk of those wins came from an era when beating your local YMCA was considered a quality win, and before inventions like the forward pass, or I dunno, penicillin. Because of this, you should probably find a way to mention it at your tailgate."

Who the hell actually gets flustered and annoyed by someone bringing that up? I can't imagine that's a real thing. After this, the author doesn't even cite any more reasons of why Michigan merits his hate other than something about wine and cheese and I guess an inability to say the word 'Michigan'.

I, on the other hand, lived in Ohio for several years and my distain for their fans is based on actual interaction with real people. A great many unfortunate interactions.

Blue Noise

September 24th, 2015 at 9:58 AM ^

Amen. OSU (and to a similar extent MSU) fan hatred of UM almost always seems based on an stuffy image of Michigan fans that really only represents a very small segment of the fanbase, and probably exists at every institution of higher education to some extent.

Also, while I would never get mad at someone belittling our pre-WWII accomplisments since it's just some good banter, I do always find it quizzical that rival fanbases like to harp on this point. College football history is college football history; we know it's changed titanically over the years and eras, but why does it matter what era something was accomplished in? I'm damn proud of Michigan football's championships from the wild west era of college football. 

And furthermore, I seriously doubt if the situation were reversed that OSU or MSU fans would be willing to humbly consign their pre-WWII stats to the dustbin of history.

Former_DC_Buck

September 24th, 2015 at 10:19 AM ^

A lot of OSU fans wouldn't care because we would lead the series with you. It would also erase our only loss to a MAC team. I would, we would lose a Heisman and a MNC.

But again, other Buckeye fans would be fine setting the cutoff date at 1950, because you would also only have 1 MNC or even if we go to 1945 you would only have 3.

BigBlue02

September 24th, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^

The problem is MSU and OSU also played those shitty teams in the early 20th century but they didn't win them as often as us. You can bet your ass if Michigan State had won more games against shitty competition and they were in the talk for most wins, they would trumpet that shit all day long. Michigan fans are proud of the wins because that means we have been a good football team for well over 100 years, not just the past 8 years. This is the reason MSU fans only want their games against us to count after a certain date.

Former_DC_Buck

September 24th, 2015 at 10:06 AM ^

If I were to reply to any posts here mentioning your all time win total and commented it included High School teams, I would not get negged?

I don't imagine Michigan is the only team that did that and those were not your only wins from then so I don't think it is particulary useful to discuss it. Usually comes up when someone talks about the last 10 years of Michigan football. Prior to Harbaugh, the defensive reaction of real live Michigan Fans I know has been to go to either the overall record or the Cooper years. This season it has been more Harbaugh is coming.

Former_DC_Buck

September 24th, 2015 at 10:31 AM ^

To paraphrase Dantonio it us based on results and not Hope. It is still recent enough for most OSU fans to be well aware of it and there really isn't much defense. And as you said, it points to the fact there will come a time when you guys regularly win against us. The rivalry has been a bit out of whack since Cooper.

Former_DC_Buck

September 24th, 2015 at 1:07 PM ^

I said you likely weren't the only ones to do that, and you also won what folks would consider real games which is why it is a bad argument. But a few of folks got so worked up over the mention of it that the reaction seemed to be: "OMG, He said we beat non-college teams [hit neg and/or call me obnoxious] when I was agreeing in reality it is a bad argument but it works on some of you.

Thanks for those that made my point for me.

H/T

MattisonMan

September 24th, 2015 at 12:10 PM ^

To answer your question: you probably would get negged for that because Buckeye fans are obnoxious and posting on a Michigan board with caveats regarding our successes is a pretty solid example of that behavior.

Sticking to the example in the story of somebody mentioning Michigan's history at a tailgate, however, I and most Michigan fans I know would likely not even bring up the most wins thing. But if it came up, I and most Michigan fans I know certainly wouldn't dispute or get riled up by the fact that the program has a long history which spreads those wins out over a long period of time (including a time when competition was not as abundant) and that recent history has not been wall-to-wall wins.

I like this team and its legacy and it just ain't about you, kid.

charblue.

September 24th, 2015 at 10:15 AM ^

are articles of faith, rote responses from childhood upbringing in Columbus. The fact that Michigan played those opponents back then wasn't a function of beatability but capability to play the game. He doesn't bring up the fact that Ohio State couldn't beat Michigan the first 20or more times they played, which is the prime reason for their primal hate of Michigan. 

But I digress. Arrogant success is the result of arrogant winning and playing the game well over time. Michigan hasn't done that lately and that's about all he gets right. The fact is, the writer tells us less about Brigham Young than about his own predilection of hopey joy that the Cougars come to town and knock off his hate rival. 

We know what kind of team we got and that this will be a tough matchup. And his review hardly shakes out as an expert's opinion, more like a visitor's guide review of familiar landmarks and places of interest. 

Being objective about crowd noise when your purpose is to assure your audience that this team isn't intimidating and neither is fan feeling inside its stadium does his audience no favor since he probably hasn't been to Michigan Stadium since the Carr years. 

Brigham Young reminds me of Penn State with a better offense and a scrappier quarterback.  It means Michigan will have difficulty sustaining drives and will have to break through with some big plays possibly after turnovers while limiting their big play penchant and first down capability. I expect Michigan to close down on the rush and am looking to see another strong secondary performance against a team with a host of big receivers. This will be a challenge for the secondary and the Dline putting pressure on Mangnum. 

UMForLife

September 24th, 2015 at 10:20 AM ^

That paragraph is true. But it seems like the author wants to live in "now" than the history. It sounds similar to what MSU fans say to us. We are down but history repeats itself and we will be back. It seems like people want to forget history when it is convenient. Same way, we want to ignore the recent past, when it is convenient to us.