Why don't they all just chuck the homoerotic subtext and go ahead and screw each other?
gambling establishment etc
Why don't they all just chuck the homoerotic subtext and go ahead and screw each other?
Brah, that was a very un-brah thing to say.
Anyway, hazing doesn't sublimate the homoeroticism. That's what GHB-fueled date rape is for.
Doesn't really sound that bad. Honestly, you can get this kinda shit without fraternities. Guys are fucking idiots to each other. Hell a lot of that sounds kinda fun. Who wouldn't want to have a giant fucking egg fight. Get drunk and slapshot tennis balls at each other? AWESOME!
we used to slingshot tennis balls down the hallway 30 yards or so at probably 45 mph (at least) just to fuck with the other guys as they came to their room. i vaguely remember someone on that floor dumping a trash can filled with water down the stairwell, causing a cascade of water down six floors. and the girl who walked into the guys' room and peed on the laptop bc she was so drunk she thought she was in a stall in the women's bathroom one door down.
come to think of it, that floor was pretty much a microcosm of the greek system
Half my floor at Oxford Housing was part of Greek life. Some of them were part of SAE. I remember them looking pretty stressed during Hell Week when I saw them in class. Cleaning up the house and acting as monitors during parties should be the extent of hazing IMO.
I was IFC president for a term, during which I saw and heard quite a bit. I'm somewhat surprised this is what finally did SAE in.
It's almost always something that seems really inconsequential that does them in.
or you could just throw the tennis balls like a man at 80 mph if you have an arm and make people cry more
And 45 was likely a very low estimation
This is the same thing I was thinking. I've done the same and probably worse to my drunk friends, and much worse when my drunk friends were passed out. I think there are worse types of hazing going on.
Parents just dont understand..
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You rascal, I was trying to edit my post to make it work :) Thanks though
Sounds like a fun night
Just as long as they drink themselves to sleep tailgating and don't bother me or fall into me while I'm trying to watch the game, I can deal with them being stupid on the way down to the stadium.
Oh, right, pledging. Sorry, but if you want to be in a fraternity, you should be ready for stuff like that. That doesn't make it right, and that's why I think fraternities in general are kind of stupid, but clearly this kid didn't think fraternities are stupid since he wanted to be in one, so he should probably have been prepared to deal with what he got.
And especially SAE.
There are plenty of fraternities at UofM you can join and not get hazed at all, and many more where you just might have to clean up the house every Sunday.
If you pledge SAE, you should probably know whats coming to you.
You REALLY need to stay on MSU boards. That last sentence was bro-tastic
So If I'm reading that right, you're saying it takes the same amount of courage to get kicked in the testicles, as it takes to have intercourse with an attractive female?
I guess I'm going to have to disagree. One of those seems like something I would be motivated to do, one of those seems like something I wouldn't necessarily want to happen.
the dreaded /s. As he is clearly busting balls with that line.
It does if you're in the closet.
this response was pretty f'n funny as it plays nicely off the fraternity guy stereotype.
For the record, even though I was in a house I try to be as objective as possible when these stories come out and look at both sides. It's not always "some pussy kids parents ruining our fun."
F-ing Gams. If you don't know, don't bother asking.
So wait, do they get their money back? If they don't get friends, what's the point?
There are more serious implications.....Does this mean no mudbowl next year?
It's always the unintended consequences that are a bitch.
Nitwits. Same as it always was everywhere that it exists.. A bunch of people who don't have the social skills or courage to go make friends on their own and have to buy them so they can recreate high school.
I wasn't in a frat, but I do know that the benefits go far beyond, "paying to socialize while in college".........
Some of people's best lifetime business connections are obtained by virtue of being in a fraternity.
At some schools, being in a frat is probably just an excuse to sit around and drink beer and watch porn all day. But the vast majority of people I knew in the Michigan greek system actually had their shit together, and used it to their advantage.
.....I knew a few people in the Greek system that not only had their crap together, but were also able to juggle a liberal beer/porn schedule.
I'm glad frats have their proper purpose: to make sure that hiring decisions that ought to be meritocratic are based on whether you were cool enough to get a bid to the right fraternity when you were eighteen.
I was in a Fraternity and I have the social skills to not make ridiculous observations based on long standing stereotypes and not actual investigative evidence, and on a platform where there will certainly be individuals who are going to be offended by such an asinine statement.
What are your thoughts on MLM(multi-level marketing)? It sure seems like there are some similarities between it and the fraternity concept based on your response above. Yet MLM seems to be right in your wheelhouse, what gives?
BTW- As I asked you the other day and surprisingly got no response. What happened to all the free positive life lessons you loved to provide everyone in your posts when you first joined? Did you grow and beard or something and become "EVIL NATE VOLK" from an opposite galaxy?
lol nate didn't get a bid
of America. That is all.
Does that mean that the SAE's will be banned from the Mud Bowl, like the Phi Delts were? All the old traditions are washed away, first no Phi Delts and now no SAE's. It will be harder to ban the SAE's, though, since the Mud Bowl is in their side yard.
They are suspended from the IFC. The members of SAE aren't kicked off campus or even out of their house.
If they so choose, they can still host the event and they can still invite another Fraternity to participate. The IFC can object, but can't prevent it from happening.
load bottle rockets in a 3 ft copper pipe and shoot it down the hall like a bazuka.
We built a 30ft (3 story) bong.
One of the best things about the time I've spent since graduating from Michigan at two Catholic schools (Notre Dame & Catholic U. of America) is that fraternities and sororities are unconditionally banned from campus. There are one or two honor societies w/ Greek letter names, but no true Greek life in the sense we think of. Having lived both ways, deleting Greek life from campus makes campus better. No doubt about it.
Yep, I too support the idea of no freedom of association.
All universities have limits of some sort on sanctioned student organizations. This determination is, I would assume, based upon principles of what constitutes healthy community life on campus. CUA & ND have both come to the conclusion, correct so far as I can see, that Greek life is toxic to the overall health of campus life. I'm not saying it should be made illegal, but a school that decides to keep Greek life out is doing itself a favor.
Michigan is not a Catholic university. So yeah, the communities at ND and CUA are different than Michigan in far more substantial ways than simply having no Greek life. These differences substatially affect the effect of Greek life on the campus community.
Furthermore, just because you have a problem with Greek life does not mean that everyone else does. One of the great things about Michigan is that it offers pretty much anything you could want from a college with regard to campus life. If you want to enjoy the benefits that Greek life has to offer, you can. If you want to avoid Greek life, you can to. I personally do not belong to a fraternity, nor do I go to fraternity parties or events and I have little interest in doing so. But I don't see any reason that my friends, who enjoy the things Greek life has to offer, shouldn't be able to partake in them.
My thoughts exactly.
Going to school at a highly politicized campus in DC, I thought all the left wing organizations were "toxic".
Ranging from having to listen to them chant and rally for whatever was the trendy cause at 8 am on a Friday outside my dorm; to having them put libelous things in a campus newspaper about other students and organizations.
Now I would wish that they didn't exist, but that I know is unreasonable. If some kid wants to wear Birkenstocks and smell like crap, wear hand me down clothing even though they had mommy and daddies credit card, power to them.
If you don't like Greek Life, dont participate.
I'm intruiged by the things that you write. They make wonder; have you ever been to Ann Arbor? Are you familiar with the reputation of the town and the university?
I lived in Ann Arbor my whole life. Part of the reason I left was because of the nutjob liberal left running the town. I graduated from Pioneer. I applied and was accepted at U of M, State, and Indiana ( the Big Ten schools I applied too) but owing to my financial situation and desire to leave the town I grew up in and spent my entire life I accepted a athletic scholarship at another school. Michigan only had my sport as a club sport not Division One varsity.
While the whole ritualized determining-which-18-year-old-is-cool-enough-to-join-our-organization that does nothing thing is wierd, I have friends who love their fraternity or sorority and whose college life would be much worse without it. Some, and SAE is probably one of them, are full of douchebags, true. But douchebags will be douchebags regardless. I mean if you go to Catholic, you must be aware of Georgetown which has no greek life and the biggest concentration of toolbags north of Duke.
There are fraternities on Notre Dames campus. They are just underground for fear of explusion.
PA to all my brothers in SAE.
I was an SAE at a nationally supported yet banned from our college chapter.
This is not hazing. I hardly call having to run stairs as hazing.
Coming from a chapter known for our pledge inspiration program, it bonded me and my pledge class together, and made me true life long friends. I don't regret a minute of it.
If you don't want to pledge, don't join a fraternity. This article strikes me as either a kid who got blackballed, or one who told his overprotective mom about the pledge process.
If you are old enough to vote and join the military, you are old enough to decide whether to join a fraternity or quit from pledging. No one made you pledge, and no one can force you to continue. And if you are too weak willed to say "no" to something you don't want to do, you have to take lessons in how to be a man.
I distinctly remembering punching out a overzealous alumni when I was a pledge.
I also love people who never pledged commenting on this topic. You have no idea what you are talking about.