I'm sure both fanbases would take it but it's still a weird/unfortunate scenario.
UM winning out pretty much sends MSU to the Rose Bowl
No Way! Let's show them and throw at least one of the last games!!
then just count on pennst to beat msu
Correction: UM and msu both winning out sends msu to the Rose Bowl. Don't count out penn state in sparty's season closer.
to McGloin lighting up MSU's secondary.
Well, that depends on whether we will see the McFavre that lit up Michigan's secondary or the McFavre that threw two Mc-Sixes to the OSU secondary.
McGloin did very well in the first half against OSU. I think they said that he threw the first (and second) touchdown passes that Penn State has scored in Columbus during Joe Pa's time there. I believe they also said that, prior to McGloin scoring 2 TDs, a Joe Pa coached Penn State had never scored 2 TDs in Columbus.
I want to believe you on that stat. But I can't. I'm sure I'm wrong... PSU has NEVER thrown a TD pass in the Shoe? I don't buy it.
strange but true:
McGloin, who finished 15 of 30 for 159 yards with the two interceptions, hit Justin Brown on a 23-yard score and Moye on a 6-yarder. They were the first touchdown passes Penn State had thrown in Ohio Stadium since joining the Big Ten in 1993, and gave the Lions the most points they've scored there in that span.
Either you didn't watch the game or you watched it with the sound off because they talked about it a LOT.
McGloin = Moxie
on ATH (around the horn) TR would have taken away several points and muted you for not doing your homework and then saying something untrue. i would say PSU might have thrown a TD pass, however a JoePa coached PSU team had not! i am also fairly certain that while i was watching gameday that herby even predicted that McGloin would throw two. (Probably because he was trying to jump on his bandwagon after blasting him on gameday when he started against us)! Go Blue beat wiscy!
Edit: this was in response to bwgrudt...
If Jay Mariotti was on ATH, Tony would fuck his shit up for getting arrested for domestic violence.
Still, that nets out to zero, since he threw two TDs for each team.
Matt McGloin was just playing all-time QB.
the McFarve from the first half that gave JoePa his first and second passing TDs, ever, in Columbus.
I agree you can't count out PSU, but there's other scenarios that also send MSU to the Rose Bowl.
However, UM beating both Wisconsin and OSU would make it extremely likely that MSU gets there.
(not going to go through all the headache-inducing tie-break scenarios)
I like how you lower-cased msu and penn state. That is what I call good grammar.
I'm of the faction that is indifferent to Sparty's fortunes. If they get to the Rose bowl for the first time in a generation, wonderful. I want M to win every game. Every win helps us get our program back to its rightful place, and that is a place in which MSU don't matter.
Wow, you're spot on about the once in a generation thing. A generation is generally accepted to be about 22-25 years and michigan state last went to the Rose Bowl in Jan 1998 - almost 23 years ago. The last time before that was Jan 1966 - another 22 years.
I agree. I could care less what happens to State at this point. We had our chance to take care of business against them and we didn't. If we help them, so be it, but it helps UM more if we win our last 2 games. If UM finishes with a 9-3 record, I could care less where MSU is heading for their bowl. 9-3 means we keep RichRod and build off of a great season going into next year. It also will greatly help with closing out recruiting season and build towards the future.
I could care less what happens to State
You could care less? How much less could you care? I'm guessing a lot. Oh, you meant that you COULDN'T care less!!!
(Sorry, had to do it... What would that make me? The idiom nazi?)
I will care about our team and only our team! I refuse to be Sparty. More often than not, they care more about what we do versus what they do. If they had to cheer for us to have a better outcome for themselves, they still wouldn't do it. Typical Sparty.
I mean are you a Michigan fan or a Sparty hater?
A Michigan fan wants his favorite team (Michigan) to succeed.
A Sparty hater wants Sparty to fail.
Plus, does Sparty doing a face plant make Michigan's loss to MSU look better, or worse?
who cares about MSU? i want to win.
then we should lose the rest of our games
/Dantonio, if he were in our position, and MSU winning out sent us to the rosebowl. I suppose if it needs this much explaining, then it's no good.
Eff it... let them have it... it'll probably be their last one for a while. "Just win baby...HARD EDGE!"
assures the team of a nice sunny day in Florida on Jan 1st. Screw Sparty.
Are we assuming MSU will win if they are to go to the Rose Bowl? I'm not.
I'll take the two additional wins even if it means MSU goes to California. We could use all the positive outcomes we can possibly get.
Could definitely not care less. Of course I'm sure Sparty fans will still cheer against UofM both weeks.
If UM wins out, MSU loses out, Iowa Beats Ohio State but then loses to Minnesota and Wisconsin loses to Northwestern, Michigan would tie for the conference title and would probably have the highest BCS average and goto the Rose Bowl.
when i find out my student loans have been paid in full by a mystery benefactor, Denard drops a bakers dozen x1000 all-purpose on Wisconsin and OSU each, i am hired to the role of assistant athletic director and my wife lets me win an argument... cuz then i would go to the Rose Bowl too
I think that's all plausible... except of course for the winning an argument with the wife, we all know that will never happen for any of us.
They still won't cheer for us. They are that stupid.
Dantonio will be rooting for the Badgers and Buckeyes so his team can go to a lower bowl.
He certainly isn't interested in a rose bowl: he is interested in our misery.
The best thing we can do is send him to a rose bowl, and let him get smoked by TCU/Boise.
...but every Sparty fan I know will root against UM in every circumstance, regardless of how it affects MSU.
Which begs the existential question: if Sparty fans are more concerned about the Wolverines' fortunes than MSU's, does that make them Michigan fans?
Is apathy the opposite of love, and hate the same emotion?
When people say that the blog culture is loaded with low-brow nit wits, I always send them to Mgo to show them all is not lost.
I seriously can't wait to use that one on the State fans that inhabit every corner of my world.
considering he explicitly noted in his first year he wouldn't root for UM to beat OSU even though it had Rose Bowl implications for MSU. it was ass backwards and absurd.
His second year, not his first. Not that it really matters.
I guess I never heard him say that, but I believe it.
In the meantime, that sounds like a perfectly reasonable thought from East Lansing's equivalent of Jesus.
Win em both. Enjoy the Rose Bowl, Sparty.
I wouldn't put it beyond Sparty to self destruct.
You know when you panic. when you are more successful than you ought to be.
is a traveshamockery. The scheduling gods were good to them this year but that will all end against McFavre in happy valley.
As annoying as it would be to see a mediocre MSU team go to the Rose Bowl, it is kind of funny knowing that they probably wouldn't be able to go but for the help of their Big Brother.
ya i could care less what happens to MSU, but it will be funny when they get stomped by someone like Bama in their bowl game..
MSU fans will have such high expectations for next year, and with all their losses coming up next year on D it looks like they won't be going 11-1 anytime soon again.
So you're saying that you do care? Did you mean to say "I couldn't care less"?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but while winning out would be great, winning only one of the next two would be bad in terms of bowl games. Beating Wisconsin or OSU would mean that the Big Ten loses the BCS at-large spot, which means everyone else gets bumped down a notch. And since according to ESPN we're not going to beat out Penn State for a bowl since it might be JoePa's last ... we might end up at the Texas Bowl or something. Still warm, though, for Darryl Stonum's sake.
You're wrong dude.
If we beat wisconsin/OSU the other, one of them would simply join MSU as a bcs team,
The only way we lose that second bcs spot is if Stanford finishes out without losing and two of those three teams lose another game.
Is never a bad thing. Who cares what bowl we go to if it means we will be playing for a chance to go 9-4?
There are a lot of scenarios that can still play out, but most have the B10 ending up with two 11-1 teams.
Sparty can go to the Rose Bowl or whatever. The sun shines on a dog's ass every once in a while.
...but it's been 22 years since Sparty has been there and dogs don't live that long.
Not only will it be great to beat Wisconsin and OSU, but nothing will cure my New Years Eve hangover better than watching the Wolverines win a bowl game, followed by the Spartans getting rocked by Stanford.
On the plus side, Stanford would probably crush them.
It would be sweet justice if they get crushed by a Stanford team coached by a Michigan Man
If it means beating Ohio State, I want to beat OSU. I don't care if it sends the Nazi's to the Rose Bowl.
vs a Panzer tank division?
I'll take Harbaugh by 7 as he goes all Patton on them.
You're underestimating Rommel with a month to prepare.
I would happily let Sparty go to the Rose Bowl if that means we end the ugly losing streak to tOSU.
I would prefer to have Michigan win out and MSU lose to Purdue and PSU though
Abraham Lincoln's letter to General Joseph Hooker:
"I have heard, in such a way as to believe it, of your recently saying that both the army and the government needed a dictator. Of course it was not for this, but in spite of it, that I have given you the command. Only those generals who gain success can be dictators. What I now ask of you is military success, and I will risk the dictatorship."
Get the victories, we can risk MSU in the Rose Bowl.
Laughably, he probably had the most embarassing loss of the Civil War. Lost the Fighting Joe moniker prettty quickly.
I was thinking about this yesterday. Then I realized, if Michigan finished 9-3, and had beaten Ohio State and Wisconsin, and was headed to a January 1 bowl game and probably in the top 15, and Denard was likely back in the Heisman talk, I probably wouldn't care a whole lot that cute little Spartina was going to Pasadena to get their asses whooped. Especially since the talk all off-season at that point will be Michigan coming back to be a top-ten team and in the national-title talk.
It is always appropriate for the big brother to help out the little brother by stomping the rear end of someone else!
But what does Ohio State need us to do!?!
If it doesn't involve pooping in a cooler, I'm guessing they don't have a rooting interest.
If we win the last 2 games no one in the UMich community is going to care about what MSU, OSU, or anyone else is doing...we will have over a month to bask in glory until the bowl games.
OSU is on a streak of Big Ten titles. I don't care if its MSU or Wiscosin who goes to the Rose Bowl, but I desperately want OSU to lose one of their last two games. Please let it be us that pulls the upset.
Good, it'd mean that we're 9-3, going to a Florida New Year's day bowl, and that we'll finish somewhere in the top 4 of the Big Ten.
It'll also mean that we see Sparty get smacked down in Pasadena by Stanford, Boise, or TCU.
It's Sparty-like to want to sacrifice the good of our program for the misfortune of theirs.
I'll cry the day I want to see them suffer more than I want to see us win.
I'm fairly certain that there are new rules for the Rose Bowl. If the Big Ten or Pac 10 champ plays in the national championship game (Oregon this year) The Rose Bowl has to replace them with a non-aq conference school (Boise or TCU) Because of this, Stanford won't be playing in the Rose Bowl. Whoever wins the Big Ten will end up playing Boise or TCU. I would love to see Sparty get smoked by one of them.
a non-autoqualifying conference school (TCU or Boise St) is in the national championship game. In that case the Rose can match Big Ten - Pac Ten.
Auburn losing to either Alabama or S Carolina could put TCU or Boise St into the two spot.
The vast majority of the MSU nation hates Michigan more than they like their own team. Which backed up by the fact that a couple of seasons ago Dantonio did not want Michigan to win a game even though it would have sent his team to a better bowl, also the fact that they still have trouble selling out games at Spartan Stadium in the midst of a 1 loss season. Hating another team more than you like your own team is the fastest way to delegitimize a fanbase.
If that's the case then.....Go Blue. Still worried about winning at PSU though.
considering MSU hasn't won at Penn State since 1965.
by either TCU, Boise State, Stanford or Oregon.
Regardless, I don't care if MSU makes the Rose Bowl. If Michigan can win out, it's a sure sign of progress and all set up for a run for the Big Ten title assuming that the defense makes progress from this year to next year.
Lets be good big brothers and help out out little brother
Would pretty much make me the happiest guy in the world (now that I've adjusted to the 3 losses). You're looking at a top 20, probably top 15 team going into a bowl game if that happened and that'd be totally awesome! On top of that think of all those recruits who are waiting to see how we do - they'd be committing to UM faster than Tom could get their Hello posts ready!
I'd rather win out than whatever happens to Michigan State.
I really don't care what happens in East Lansing. Not our rival.
Sorry, if I missed it, but I can't believe that no one mentioned that beating OSU would send MSU to the Rose Bowl. As long as MSU and OSU are tied in first place, it's always going to come down to BCS. If we beat OSU, Wisconsin loses the head-to-head with MSU.
The best thing that could happen is for MSU to lose to PSU so that winning our last two games would setup the tie again and the highest rated would go. I would guess that would be Wisconsin for winning the last week.
The funny thing is Dantonio would root for Michigan to lose to Ohio State even if it meant his team would lose out on a trip to Rose Bowl as a result.
Good point....although this thread is somewhat meaningless with an OSU loss in Iowa City next week.
against OSU. If we get a lead, will his perpetual "I've got a hemorrhoid the size, texture, and hardness of a lemon" expression dissolve into a smile?
If MSU wins out and Wisconsin and OSU lose to us, they deserve to go to the Rose Bowl. They're having a great season, I don't see what the problem is here. Would anyone seriously pass up on beating Wisconsin and/or OSU just to avoid having to listen to MSU fans talk about going to the Rose Bowl?
Judging from some of the blog and radio comments after the Illinois and PU games, I am certain that some of the fire RR/Hire Harbaugh crowd secretly want us to lose both games badly to buttress their case. There were people calling into the local WTKA post-game show after Illinois actually stating that they were disappointed we won because it made the firing of RR less likely.
I don't think anybody should assume that MSU's got this locked up, in part because of the possible scenarios involving Paterno.
1). JoePa announces before the game that this is his last season, meaning the MSU game is the last regular season game for him at Beaver Stadium.
2). JoePa doesn't say anything, but in the absence of information, speculation is rampant that the MSU game is his last regular season game in Beaver Stadium.
3). JoePa announces he's coming back next season.
If either 1 or 2 are the case, then MSU is going to be facing an absolutely frenzied PSU team and stadium.
If #3 is the case, the PSU team and fans will still be charged up, but only for the normal game reasons.
It's an unfortunate side-effect of winning. It's likely either going to be them or OSU (or Wisco), and honestly, I will be happy if we ended up denying OSU the roses. Heck, it would be fun denying both OSU and Wisco, it's fun to play the spoilers.
Plus in the end, we'd be able to say "Dear MSU, You're welcome. Love, Michigan"
But they still have to beat PSU at Happy Valley...clearly no walk in the park.
In any event, will anyone around these parts care if that happens? We'd be 9-3 damnit! It would be our D finally has gelled, and our offense is a monster.
But who cares. 9-3 would be nice and means we break the losing streak to OSU. As long as Sparty isn't playing for a national championship, who gives a darn.
So you'd pass up beating OSU and Wisconsin if it meant keeping Sparty from a national championship?
...UM winning out also pretty much sends UM to a New Years Day Bowl and sends OSU to a non-BCS bowl.
I typed this post with crossed fingers while knocking on wood.
No lucky rabbit's foot in your hand while you were knocking on wood?
Wisconsin and have MSU stay out of the Rose after they get smoked by Penn State, but that would mean OSU going to the Rose Bowl. Ahh, this is bullshit!! I think the answer is clear, we lose out, trust that MSU will lose to Penn State, and Wisconsin will go to the Rose Bowl, the team that I hate least out of the three, and really, that is what is most important.
If Michigan wins out, I won't give a second thought to where MSU goes. MSU is having the kind of season they have once every fifteen years or so. Until they can actually have good seasons twice in a row, it really won't have much effect on Michigan.
All it does is give them a more valid reason for Spartybragging, and will make it more fun when Michigan leaves them with no accelerant for their couches next year.
I don't care. It's always in our best interests to win. If some other team benefits, good for them.
Win. As many as possible.
Do you guys not cheer BigTen in the bowl games? Lots of talk about how great it will be when MSU gets killed in a bowl game... I cheer for all B10 teams in the bowls cause I hate the "B10 is weak" noise.
Dantonio would still want Michigan to lose. What a numbskull.
Winning out is more important to me than seeing MSU make the Rose Bowl. I would rather beat Wisc and OSU and go 9-3 than worry about what MSU is doing.
I would rather win out and see MSwho get blown out in the Rose Bowl although it is very unlikely we hold up on our end of the deal.
Let Sparty ruin their own season like they usually do.