UM Student Builds Solar-Powered House to Avoid Dorms
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2015/09/21-year-old_u-m_s…
The 21-year-old Traverse City resident moved back to the Ann Arbor area Wednesday to begin his third year at U-M, and he brought his own house with him on a trailer — a house that is just 170 square feet and took him more than 700 hours to build over the last two summers.
September 6th, 2015 at 9:35 AM ^
September 6th, 2015 at 9:37 AM ^
Read this and was annoyed by it because it was clear Mom (and Dad?) is paying for it all.
That's nice that your mom is going to front you a bunch of money so you can be a hipster, anti-establishment, trendy, whatever. (And I say this as someone who lives a fairly minimalist lifestyle).
I don't know. There was just something about the whole thing that was off-putting. I like the tiny-house movement, I like that he built it himself, I like that he's bringing it to Ann Arbor. But it all seems fake. Mom's paying for it, it's not a true tiny house, he's still going to rely on other houses for water/laundry. It's like super expensive glam-camping (or glamping as it's called nowadays).
EDIT: Re-reading it, I think I was just perturbed by his reliance on his parents. Like, he wanted to live in a Volkswagon Van, but mom said no, so he didn't. He's 21, at what point do you gain independence? I realize some (many?) students' parents pay for everything and therefore have the leverage to make decisions about students' lives, but man, when I wanted to move out of the dorms, I said "Dad me and some friends are gonna rent an apartment" and he was like "ok, make sure you read the lease."
September 6th, 2015 at 10:08 AM ^
September 6th, 2015 at 10:35 AM ^
hopefully you want your kids to work, learn the value of money, learn to save, respect people and property, understand sacrifice, appreciate what you have, etc. That isn't mutually exclusive for footing a good part of the awesome UM experience, which in-state is a relative "bargain".
September 6th, 2015 at 10:55 AM ^
My parents could have covered for my grad degree but I paid for it myself, room and board as well.
September 6th, 2015 at 11:57 AM ^
that is commendable, but people shouldn't be ridiculed because their parents earned enough money to support their child through their education. I don't, and others shouldn't, care about how or what people chose to do with their money.
September 6th, 2015 at 11:28 AM ^
I guess. I don't know, I'll likely never be in the position to afford college for my kids (unless I don't want to retire before 65, which I certainly do). However, if I could afford to pay tuition, I'd certainly pay tuition with no conditions. If I could pay more... I don't know that I would. Maybe I would loan my kid $8000 a year or something - interest free. $8k plus money from working campus jobs should be plenty. I just don't like the idea of placing a bunch of conditions on a gift to an adult.
And I know as a student I was glad to gave complete financial independence. Yeah, that means I have student loans to pay, but I never had to worry about answering to anyone but myself about how my money was spent.
September 6th, 2015 at 9:48 PM ^
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September 6th, 2015 at 10:35 AM ^
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September 6th, 2015 at 11:20 AM ^
Did my post sound mad? I said I was slightly annoyed - I pretty much admitted it was b/c his parents were paying for this, yet he has a bit of a "look at what I'm doing" essence. I admitted I liked the idea, liked that he built it himself (that part is awesome) and like that it's happening in A2. But there's something a little off by all of it. A bit of "look at how different and better I am living."
September 6th, 2015 at 11:59 AM ^
I agree...I don't care about the money aspect...but the condescending tone of environmentalists towards others life styles are neither constructive nor appealing. However, I am not sure if that is how he wanted that interveiw to come across.
September 6th, 2015 at 1:38 PM ^
Agreed, and I probably should have considered how well the interview is conveying the truth. I tried to explain why something felt odd about it to the best I could. Certainly, I hope I did better than the MLive flamers, but even now I feel I could have rounded down some of my rhetoric.
And the more I think of it, the more I can understand why his mom would require the hoops to jump through if she was paying it. I think the thing that did it for me was that he wanted to do something, was to 'no', and decided to go a different route. Which was the financially prudent thing for him to do, so maybe I shouldn't be annoyed.
I think I'm sticking strong on the idea that he basically built a really fancy tent and still has to use another's house to take showers, do laundry, etc. So, it's not really a tiny house, nor a complete living situtation. But I'm sure it'll be fun, nonetheless.
September 7th, 2015 at 8:22 AM ^
The tiny house movement is fun. It's basically buidling a tree house that can be moved around. The environmental aspect of it is a little silly. If you want to be environmental, buy a house in Ypsi or Detroit and fix it up.
Good for the kid on the effort though. He learned to build something, figured out how to negotiate a unique landlord situation and got some PR. Probably a better learning/life experience than just renting and working a summer job digging ditches or cleaning dorms (both jobs I had.)
September 6th, 2015 at 11:07 AM ^
I agree with you. I think that's it's cool what he did. But it didn't take very long for him to turn it into a lecture with the implied "You should live this way too and shame on you for not."
Why can't people just do what they do, enjoy it, and stay the hell out of everyone else's face?
He's young, single, admittedly adventurous, and has other people paying his bills. Good for him. Life's good. But a tiny house lifestyle on someone else's land is not going to work for a family of 4 with middle aged working parents. Nor is it supposed to.
Just do your thing if that's what you want to do and don't worry so much about having to make a statement.
September 6th, 2015 at 12:08 PM ^
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September 6th, 2015 at 9:34 AM ^
Good for him.
My idea is to jump on the tiny house bandwagon and buy a bunch of them. Then, to make the situation a litlte more livable, I'll buy a lot of land and merge all the tiny houses into one larger house. I'm aiming for 2000-2500 square feet.
September 6th, 2015 at 10:51 AM ^
That's called a trailor park.
September 6th, 2015 at 10:53 AM ^
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September 7th, 2015 at 2:13 PM ^
Logged in just to upvote you. I think some people need the /s though.
September 6th, 2015 at 9:37 AM ^
Nerd.
September 6th, 2015 at 9:45 AM ^
September 6th, 2015 at 11:46 AM ^
Parking was my first thought too. You can't just pick some random field or parking lot to park your house. Unless he or his parent bought a chunk of land too, he's going to have problems.
September 6th, 2015 at 11:59 AM ^
He's got a girlfriend, according to the article.
September 6th, 2015 at 12:32 PM ^
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September 6th, 2015 at 9:45 AM ^
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September 6th, 2015 at 9:45 AM ^
The article says he's getting use of land and use of some household amenities such as water and laundry, but it doesn't say how much he's paying for that. I'd be curious to find out.
HGTV runs a show on "tiny houses," and it's funny to watch some fo the participants talk about "living simply" while worrying about whether some 150 sq. ft. place can "hold all their stuff." Concerns about closet space don't align with the tiny house movement, people. :-)
September 6th, 2015 at 10:12 AM ^
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September 6th, 2015 at 12:05 PM ^
September 6th, 2015 at 1:32 PM ^
so you can definitely do it if you don't mind being really sweaty 24/7
September 6th, 2015 at 10:03 AM ^
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September 6th, 2015 at 3:14 PM ^
Return of the Countertops thread!
September 6th, 2015 at 9:54 AM ^
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September 6th, 2015 at 3:16 PM ^
Sort of....
/jk
September 6th, 2015 at 10:07 AM ^
He should have videotaped the process to create a Youtube series of DIY homebuilding videos, and a reality show. He appears to be pretty photogenic in a hipster/rustic kind of way. He probably could have funded the whole thing through that. Laugh if you want but less interesting ventures have found success on Youtube.
September 6th, 2015 at 11:38 AM ^
September 6th, 2015 at 1:40 PM ^
That's the other thing that annoyed me. Dude decided to take his shirt off for the interview photos. Liiiittttllleee "hey look at me be all natural", n'est pas?
September 6th, 2015 at 2:20 PM ^
in a weekend with my sons. low-e windows, solid core oak doors, wood floor, raised base that can be loaded on a trailer. if we'd have made it fancy inside it would've taken another 40-60 hours to insulate and trim it out. this kid took 750 hours and 2 years to build what can be done in 2 weekends.
i have a feeling there is a lot more to this story than is in print.
September 6th, 2015 at 3:17 PM ^
Could also be that he did it himself and may not be as well versed in woodwork as you are.
September 6th, 2015 at 3:22 PM ^
September 6th, 2015 at 6:02 PM ^
but before we let the chickens in: 'when is the cable guy coming?'
i had gone to the lumber yard and gotten their discards and defects for the doors and windows. the chickens didn't care and for $20/ea i bought 2 x $200 windows and a beautiful 6 panel oak door that had a crack in one part of it's jamb.
was a great project to teach carpentry to the boys as we built the hen house like i'd frame a real house, only smaller. even taught them how to make simple trusses for the roof. little did i know that my patience in those years (took longer to teach than if i'd just done it) would enable my own sloth as i got older. now i can just point at stuff and say, 'hey boys, can you guys fix x,y,z while i'm at work today?' and when i come home, it's done.
September 6th, 2015 at 10:20 AM ^
I applaud the kid and his counter culture attitude but think the article isn't telling the whole story. Wouldn't be surprised to see a follow up story regarding this type of dwelling being outlawed by the city.
To us older guys who criticize that his parents are paying for this, remember we could pay for a year's worth of tuition with a good summer job back in the good old days. Now tuition plus room and board costs (and rules for FAFSA for those who go to private schools) are just insane. My kids work all the time and there is tremendous value in that, but I'm happy to help pick up the balance of the UM tab.
September 6th, 2015 at 10:27 AM ^
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