I'm sorry, but a 10-2 Michigan team SHOULD NOT be ranked 16th. We actually dropped a spot after our win.
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UM Ranked 16th in BCS
November 27th, 2011 at 9:21 PM
#602
I'm sorry, but a 10-2
November 27th, 2011 at 9:34 PM
#603
That's because
Wisconsin was right on our heels going into the weekend. Like it or not, their victory over PSU was more impressive than ours over OSU according to the BCS formula.
Nothing to worry about though. We will jump the loser of MSU/Wisconsin and we'll also jump Georgia after they get their ass handed to them by LSU. If Okie State beats the Sooners, we'll also likely jump Oklahoma.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:48 PM
#604
I don't know that jumping MSU
I don't know that jumping MSU (if they lose the BTCG) is a given.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:53 PM
#605
A third loss....
drops them below us in both polls.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
#606
Why wouldn't we? They'll
Why wouldn't we? They'll have 3 losses, and we would have 2. Plus they will have done the cardinal sin or rankings in losing closer to when the final rankings come out.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:06 PM
#607
It is for sure a given
Face it the only way sparty is going to a BCS game is if they beat WI. I doubt they will and after they lose, they will be below us in the BCS poll. Because 8-2 is better than 8-3! I know we will see a bunch of angry and whining sparties once this occur!
November 27th, 2011 at 10:16 PM
#608
Fewer losses? MSU isn't that
Fewer losses? MSU isn't that far ahead of us.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:17 PM
#609
I was watching the BCS show
I was watching the BCS show and Herbi said if MSU loses and given MSU-UM head to head record it Will probably hurt Michigan's chance of Jumping MSU. It's a pretty big gap from #13MSU to #16Michigan, so if you want us to get in BCS, our best shot is MSU beats Wisconsin and Wisconsin drops.
P.S, Georgia has to lose or/and OK has to lose
November 27th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
#610
It's a mathematical formula,
It's a mathematical formula, it is the most efficient and even way to do these things. Wisconsin beat a RANKED PSU team, Michigan eased by an unranked OSU team. The BCS is the best system that has been proposed and will eventually work itself out. The rankings don't matter until the last week of the year.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:04 PM
#611
Just because it's a computer
Just because it's a computer doesn't make it right. For example, Jeff Sagarin's BCS rankings right now are ridiculous (for how they're overrating the Big 12). That's not because of a problem with Jeff Sagarin's computer - it's because of a problem with the algorithm written by Jeff Sagarin.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:16 PM
#612
Be fair to Sagarin. He's
Be fair to Sagarin. He's forced to use those flawed rankings.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:24 PM
#613
Honestly, I think his non-BCS
Honestly, I think his non-BCS ratings are even worse than his BCS ratings. Here are his overall ratings for Big 12 teams:
Oklahoma State #3
Oklahoma #4
Kansas State #11
Texas A&M #12
Texas #14
Baylor #16
Missouri #18
Iowa State #29
Texas Tech #44
Kansas #88
November 27th, 2011 at 9:21 PM
#614
Need so things to fall our
Need so things to fall our way...
November 27th, 2011 at 9:21 PM
#615
We'll be OK
I hope.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:21 PM
#616
I'm really starting to worry
I'm really starting to worry
November 27th, 2011 at 9:21 PM
#617
I DO NOT want to have to root
I DO NOT want to have to root for MSU...FREAK! How the hell did we go down????
November 27th, 2011 at 9:22 PM
#618
We want LSU to win, we want
We want LSU to win, we want Sparty to win.
Damn.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:30 PM
#619
Correction: We want LSU to
Correction: We want LSU to win, we want Oklahoma State to win, and we want Wisconsin to win big. 2/3 will work.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:06 PM
#620
If Wisconsin wins by one
If Wisconsin wins by one point, we'll jump State. No worries unless LSU lays an egg...which I highly doubt.
That said, I hope State gets throttled by the Badgers.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:04 PM
#621
Why worry about things
that you cannot control. Let the games next week play themselves out.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:22 PM
#622
some*
some*
November 27th, 2011 at 9:22 PM
#623
ANGAR
ANGAR
November 27th, 2011 at 9:22 PM
#624
?
How in the world is a 2 loss Kansas State team ranked 11th?!?!?!?
November 27th, 2011 at 9:25 PM
#625
Computers LOVE K-State (and
Computers LOVE K-State (and the Big 12 in general). They are ranked like 5th in the computers.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:17 PM
#626
I wish there was a B12 championship game!
If there was, then OSU would whip KSU! I don't think it matters. Next week when Michigan moves up to 14 or 13 in the BCS, we will get a BCS game.
WI or MSU loss, guaranteed.
I hope OSU beats OU.
LSU will throttle Georgia.
The computers have the BIG12 way overrated.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:22 PM
#629
LSU will beat georgia.
LSU will beat georgia.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:22 PM
#630
What the fucking fuck is
What the fucking fuck is fucking going the fuck on?!!!!
November 27th, 2011 at 9:42 PM
#631
Dude
you sound just like my wife every single day.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:23 PM
#632
no worries
Georgia loses to LSU Oklahoma loses to OSU we are good to go
November 27th, 2011 at 9:23 PM
#633
Huh?
I'm confused
November 27th, 2011 at 9:23 PM
#634
Calm down, we did beat Ohio
I doubt we care that much about a BCS bowl after THE win.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:23 PM
#635
We should be OK
One of Wisky or State will lose. That team will fall below us (even MSU). Then we just have to see LSU beat Georgia-- I don't see Georgia winning that one.
That happens and we are in.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:25 PM
#636
I don't think MSU falls below
I don't think MSU falls below us unless its a blowout
November 27th, 2011 at 9:27 PM
#637
I am not saying it is right
I am not saying it is right or wrong, but voters care less about head to head than they do late season losses.
In the end, it does not bother me too much. 10-2, beat OSU. Anything else is just gravy.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:28 PM
#638
MSU will have 3 losses, we
MSU will have 3 losses, we will have 2. Just because you beat a team does not mean that you perpetually stay ahead of them no matter your overall record. Also, we beat ND, they lost to ND.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:52 PM
#639
and we beat nebraska and they
and we beat nebraska and they lost to nebraska.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:17 PM
#640
and they beat Iowa
and we lost to Iowa. And they beat us.
But I agree whoever loses the BTCG game drops below us. It's just the way it works
November 27th, 2011 at 10:23 PM
#641
This is very true!
I hear this all the time from OU fans who say well we beat #5 FSU and #4 UT but that was then and look at where these teams are now!
At this point in the season Michigan can take MSU. What happened a couple months ago is water way under the bridge!
November 27th, 2011 at 9:29 PM
#642
They'll have three losses
There is no way that MSU stays ahead of UM if they lose. There is no way an three loss team can be ranked ahead of a two loss Michigan team.
People need to stop freaking out. Losses by Wisk/MSU and Jowlgia will get UM into the top 14.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:24 PM
#643
Sugar Daddies!
We'll be there!
Sidenote: Mark Schlabach-ESPN project Ohio (formerly tOSU) to play Ohio in the Little Caesars Bowl!
A reporter has to ask Hoke, what two teams are playing in this bowl, just to hear his response!
November 27th, 2011 at 9:28 PM
#644
Well...
"Well, you know, I only pay attention to Michigan. But those two teams play tremendously physically."
November 27th, 2011 at 9:31 PM
#645
He already said he calls Ohio
He already said he calls Ohio the Bobcats.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:25 PM
#646
and then ask
if he'll go watch the game, wear red, wear shorts, stay up the night before, and not eat the day of the game. /s
November 27th, 2011 at 9:24 PM
#647
posted from iPhone
Don't worry as long as LSU beats Georgia we should be fine cause we will jump Georgia and the loser of the BTCG.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:26 PM
#648
I don't foresee us jumping
I don't foresee us jumping MSU if they lose, we really need State to win that game.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:33 PM
#649
How often does a loss result
How often does a loss result in only a one place drop in the rankings? I don't understand...
November 27th, 2011 at 9:36 PM
#650
Objectively baseless fear.
Objectively baseless fear. Doesn't matter if it's an overtime one point loss, we jump either MSU or Wisco.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:37 PM
#651
We'll jump MSU
They'll have 3 losses and we'll have two. That will be enough, regardless of whether it should be, because voters are dumb.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:44 PM
#652
We'll jump them. They will
We'll jump them. They will have 3 losses, we will have 2. We lost to them at their place in a close game. We beat ND who they lost to.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:33 PM
#653
Most likely sparty will
drop to 16th with even a 1 point loss. WI would drop to 18.
LSU will beat Georgia like a drumb...may be by 30 + points. Georgia will be in a free fall.
OU lost several of it's skilled offensive players. I don't see them keeping up with OSU.
We will be 12th or 13th in the BCS this time next Sunday.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:25 PM
#654
posted from iPhone
Nothing the team control now. We just have to see how everything shakes out.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:26 PM
#655
we can hope for LSU to
we can hope for LSU to blowout Georgia and for Wisco to blow out State.. That would put us at 14.
And for good measure we can root for Oklahoma State to put a hurt on Oklahoma.
we'll make it to 14
November 27th, 2011 at 9:33 PM
#656
Wisconsin is already above
Wisconsin is already above us, so there is no jumping us. So we need 2 of Wisconsin, MSU, Georgia, Oklahoma, or K State to lose.
1 of those is guaranteed. Another is a virtual guarantee.
We are OK
November 27th, 2011 at 9:39 PM
#657
Wisconsin is already ahead of
Wisconsin is already ahead of us.
The 3 teams immediately in front of us:
13. MSU
14. Georgia
15. Wisconsin
Thats 2 all but guaranteed losses right in front of us. Plus if Georgia beats LSU we wouldn't get a bid even if we are in the top 14.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:26 PM
#658
This week BCS rankings do not
This week BCS rankings do not matter...Its next weeks that count! GO BLUE! Everything will fall in place!
November 27th, 2011 at 9:27 PM
#659
What? 16th? This is Michigan
What? 16th? This is Michigan Fergodsakes
November 27th, 2011 at 9:28 PM
#660
This was to be expected
One of MSU and Wisco will drop behind us next week, so essentially, we're 15th. As long as LSU beats Georgia, we're in the top 14. Okie St. beating OU and Houston losing also helps us. And if K-State loses to Iowa State, which is possible, we have an even better chance.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:48 PM
#661
Add Texas over Baylor for
Add Texas over Baylor for good measure and good luck with this, but New Mexico over Boise.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:29 PM
#662
All i know is wheverever it
All i know is wheverever it is and whoever it's against and whenever it's played....
I'll be there.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:30 PM
#663
Does MSMoo stay ahead of us
Does MSMoo stay ahead of us if they lose?
November 27th, 2011 at 9:38 PM
#664
No, voters hate late season
No, voters hate late season losses, and computers hate losses period. If LSU takes care of business and we don't somehow get jumped by Baylor, we'll be fine.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:31 PM
#665
Part of the problem
Is that BCS does not use the Sagarin "predictor" ratings -- which Sagarin himself says are the most accurate representation of what is likely to happen on the field. The "other" Sagarin ratings really hit Michigan, and seem to love the B12 this year. That said, if things play out as they should, we should catch 14th.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:34 PM
#666
Would love it
Here's what could very well happen and I would love it: Wiscy wins and goes to Rose Bowl. Then we get picked for a BCS at large spot over Sparty even though they finished higher than us because we are a sexier draw. Sparty's inferiority complex that even a head to head winning streak can't cure will grow even more. Dantonio will be walking around with an eye twitch next year.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:32 PM
#667
In the era of watered down schedules 10 wins isn't that big
Folks, 10wins now doesn't mean what it did in the 90s. Schedules are too watered down. I think there are what 15-16 10+win teams??
The Big Ten being seen as down based on last years bowls and the regular season doesn't help. If you look at our schedule we had 8 home games and only beat one ranked team. Nothing special.
If we get the sugar great, if not then thats fine. I would almost rather we go take care of business vs a top tier SEC team then play houston. Sugar or not. Its all about respect, and you get it by beating good teams. Lets just let the polls do their thing and take care of business on teh field,
November 27th, 2011 at 9:53 PM
#668
I've had that thought myself
Aside from the "BCS label", the quality of opponent in the Capital One Bowl will be better than 12-0 but unknown Houston.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
#669
Yeah, Michigan - Georgia in
Yeah, Michigan - Georgia in the Cap One bowl on New Years Day would be a pretty compelling matchup. And we play pretty good there.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:32 PM
#670
Plenty of room to jump ahead,
Plenty of room to jump ahead, plus we don't even have the slightest fear of losing another game. I think we'll be fine
November 27th, 2011 at 9:36 PM
#671
You guys realize this was expected right?
Michigan will be ahead of whoever loses the B1G championship game and will be ahead of Georgia if they lose to LSU.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:38 PM
#672
Thank you.
When has a loss (to the 14th or 15th ranked team no less) ever resulted in only a one place drop in the rankings? We are virtually guarenteed to be ahead of MSU or Wisconsin come next week.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:36 PM
#673
Kansas State got hulk hands
Kansas State got hulk hands and we got a 100% rawhide wallet? You know what? That's bullshit.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:37 PM
#674
Aside - why does Herbie have 4 SEC helmets
and 3 Big Twelves in his office and just one B1G (guess who).
November 27th, 2011 at 9:37 PM
#675
So we need LSU and MSU to
So we need LSU and MSU to win?
LSU won't be too hard to cheer for, but it's gonna be really hard to pull for State...
November 27th, 2011 at 9:46 PM
#676
posted from iPhone
Why would we need MSU to win? That is silly. We should rank higher than the loser of the B1G championship whoever it ends up being.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:56 PM
#677
We'd be in for sure if LSU
We'd be in for sure if LSU and MSU won, but there's still a chance, however small it is, that State could stay ahead of us if they lose.
If State can lose, and we can still go to the BCS, then On Wisconsin.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:13 PM
#680
We'll be ahead of the loser
We'll be ahead of the loser of the B1G championship game.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:39 PM
#681
Baylor is 17
Baylor is 17 and they play Texas at home, could jump us with a win
November 27th, 2011 at 9:43 PM
#682
Yep. I would actually say
Yep. I would actually say that this is pretty likely. Especially with the RGIII factor on the human voters.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:08 PM
#683
What about the Denard
What about the Denard Robinson factor?
November 27th, 2011 at 9:41 PM
#684
What are the chances Houston
What are the chances Houston loses to Southern Miss and they fall below us?
November 27th, 2011 at 9:45 PM
#685
If the worst case scenario is
If the worst case scenario is the B1G gets more favorable bowl matchups and we go to the Capital One Bowl to face an SEC team, I'm a happy man. Hoke uber alles.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:46 PM
#686
Are we sure that a Baylor win
Are we sure that a Baylor win over Texas doesn't jump them over us?? I really think that if Baylor beats Texas this weekend we might be in trouble.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:58 PM
#687
posted from iPhone
RG3 is broken. I think we'll be ok.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:06 PM
#688
He's probable for this
He's probable for this weekend...he's playing. UT offense is horrible, Baylor wins on their home field
November 27th, 2011 at 9:47 PM
#689
FWIW, Brad Edwards predicts
FWIW, Brad Edwards predicts we still go to the Sugar Bowl against Houston.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:47 PM
#690
We definitely need more help than people think...
If Baylor beats a ranked Texas, they will jump us. So we need two of three following:
1. Texas beats Baylor
2. LSU beats Georgia
3, OK State beats Ok
One of MSU/Wisco will drop beneath us. I feel good about LSU, the other two are toss-ups. So fingers crossed...
November 27th, 2011 at 10:01 PM
#691
LSU beats Georgia is most
LSU beats Georgia is most important as it is possible LSU stays at #2 with a loss and SEC gets 3 BCS bids. This would be a double whammy as not only would Georgia stay in front of us, there might be one less at large BCS spot.
I'd also add Iowa State beating K State as another possibility.
These seem less likely to be beneficial as they are not likely to happen or it may not mean the loser falling behind Michigan, but Oregon losing to UCLA, Houston or Boise losing to their respective tomatoe cans would also be beneficial.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:22 PM
#692
I don't think so
Baylor is already 2 ahead of us in the computers. Even with a win won't go up that much more in other polls. Key game is LSU, rest will take care of itself.
I'm hoping for a Houston loss, then we can play in Sugar Bowl against a much better opponent. Thus better ratings and more national attention.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:49 PM
#693
We've got a bunch of CS
We've got a bunch of CS majors here right? Someone just gather up all the data the comptuters are using, run some regressions on it, and figure out what their formulas are so we can figure out our ranking in different scenarios. Just make sure you do it in the next week, because after that we'll have no use for the numbers.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
#694
At least we have a better
At least we have a better computer ranking than both MSU and Wisconsin(15 vs 16 and 19 respectively), so whoever loses will drop even further in the computer rankings and least a few in the human rankings. I can't see the loser of that game staying ranked ahead of us. No worries here, still rooting for Wisconsin to roll.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:54 PM
#695
posted from iPhone
This is about what I expected. Presuming MSU loses next week along with Georgia, UM should jump ahead. And for all the fretting about Baylor, the bowls have the right to pick around the rankings a bit if they want.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:57 PM
#696
Not if Baylor jumps UM and
Not if Baylor jumps UM and takes the 14th spot in the BCS rankings.
November 27th, 2011 at 9:56 PM
#697
posted from iPhone
Kansas State?
November 27th, 2011 at 10:00 PM
#698
Nobody panic
its allllll good..as long as LSU beats Ga..were good..the loser of the Wisc/Msu game and Ga jump us up two anything else like Okla losing is gravy...LSU is NOT going to lose to GA
November 27th, 2011 at 10:01 PM
#699
Next Saturday....
It would be bad if Clemson beats VT because they probably won't drop enough in the polls. So I'll be cheering for LSU, Ok State, VT, So Miss and Wisconsin.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:04 PM
#700
posted from iPhone
I know we all want Sugar Bowl but Capitol One Bowl just tweeted this.... "VERY interesting to see Michigan drop one spot. Wolverines need to be at 14 for at-large berth to BCS." seems like we would for sure be there if we don't make sugar
November 27th, 2011 at 10:17 PM
#701
As much as I would like to
As much as I would like to see Blue in the Sugar, I would love for us to mop the floor with a SEC team so it will shut up all these SEC nut swingers I am surrounded by down here.
BTW A win over Bama' next year would help us big time in the polls next year coming down the stretch.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:15 PM
#702
I'm about 98% sure we pass
I'm about 98% sure we pass the loser of the BTCG, but I'm a little less positive about us passing Georgia...we know how the pollsters have been reluctant to drop teams that lose to LSU...I'm really hoping for a Houston loss and a KSU loss just to make it 100% that we get in.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:18 PM
#703
I'm getting sick to my stomach
... thinking about the Capitol 1 Bowl. Arghhhhh.... why didn't we beat Sparty!!!!
November 27th, 2011 at 10:43 PM
#704
Wait
this is tremendous
November 27th, 2011 at 11:10 PM
#705
At-large eligibility
If
At-large eligibility
If there are fewer than 10 automatic qualifiers, then the bowls will select at-large participants to fill the remaining berths. An at-large team is any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible and meets the following requirements:
A. Has won at least nine regular-season games, and
B. Is among the top 14 teams in the final BCS Standings.
No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings.
If fewer than 10 teams are eligible for selection, then the Bowls can select as an at-large team any Football Bowl Subdivision team that is bowl-eligible, has won at least nine regular-season games and is among the top 18 teams in the final BCS Standings subject to the two-team limit noted above and also subject to the following: (1) if any conference has two or more teams in the top 14, then two of those teams must be selected and (2) from the teams ranked 15-18, a bowl can select only a team from a conference that has fewer than two teams in the top 14.
November 27th, 2011 at 10:43 PM
#706
90 percent
My confidence level that UM will be ranked at least 14th in the final BCS poll. So don't worry. And if something strange happens where we don't make it to the 14th spot, then the Capital One Bowl will be a great bowl game. This team surpassed my expectation this season with 10 wins.
Though it would be sweet to blow out Houston in the Sugar Bowl. That game could give us a lot of national exposure and help us grab some big recruits in 2012 and 2013!
November 27th, 2011 at 11:37 PM
#707
Baylor
I'm sure everyone here knows that Baylor fans are having similar discussions on their less-impressive blogs. If they beat Texas handily, they should move up, as well. Since Michigan is off, Baylor could conceivably leapfrog us.
November 27th, 2011 at 11:44 PM
#708
Another view
While this interpretation does not follow computer algorithms, Michigan's drop in the rankings may have something to do with not covering the betting spread, which was 8.5 - 9.5 points. So Michigan won, but not convincingly and OSU appeared stronger than Nebraska, which Michigan beat handily the previous week.
I wonder how many judge pundits use a method involving cover - not cover record, instead of win- loss ratio. I would have to go back to records to compare MIchigan record, but they have had some close games. If nothing else, our punter needs some practice catching snaps.
