# 164 is way too high for State.
well that's just, like, your opinion, man
# 164 is way too high for State.
Come on we had to have cracked the top 1000...
#10 in the USA, #1 in USA for public universities
#1 in the Big Ten
#1 in our hearts and in the hearts of most spartys.
I'm calling you out for replying to my post when it has nothing to do with what I said. You just wanted to be second overall. You sir, are not #1 in my heart...
I ment to hit the reply to the next post. I saw the errors of my ways. Then I thought, "Tis better to beg for forgiveness then ask for permission". +1 to you good sir.
Little bro is #164, and the domers (likely to be the only ones actually interested in such comparisons) check in at #223.
Neither make sense to me, especially ND at 223.
ND at #229 is way too high. (They were talking about football ratings, right?)
I don't get how we are like 29th in the nation, 14th in the world. Can anyone explain that to me?
And a weird methodology which gives a lot of weight to international students and faculty... for whatever reason.
Those rankings have different focuses and methodologies. Both rankings take into account a lot of subjective measures (like employer and academic reputation), but the world rankings are biased toward international programs and support for international students, whereas the national university rankings are more geared toward "domestic" issues (standardized test scores, graduation rates, retention rates, student:faculty ratios, avg salaries of graduates, etc.). Many of these factors aren't even considered in the world rankings.
Even in my time there during the mid-90's, it was clear that U-M had a very robust international student population, as well as several visiting foreign professors. One of my economics classes was taught by a professor visiting from Seoul University, and I had another TA from Singapore (who I loved, but I digress).
I remember reading somewhere that the national rankings only take into account the undergraduate reputation, while the "World Rankings" consider graduate programs, faculty honors and such.
EDIT: Yeah, what Oriental Andrew said.
The national rankings are for undergraduate programs, the graduate schools (and programs) are ranked separately. They use really different methods for ranking each.
Regarding the World's Best Universities, according to the explanation by USN&WR:
"Additionally, the methodology used to compute the World's Best Universities rankings is different in most key areas from what we use in the U.S. News Best Colleges and U.S. News Best Graduate Schools. It's true that both the Best Colleges and the World's Best Universities rankings use peer surveys. However, the survey process used to calculate peer assessment and recruiter reviews in the World's Best Universities rankings are conducted very differently. Because of the limitations and the availability of cross-country comparative data, the world ranking system relies heavily on research performance measured through citations per faculty member. The U.S. News rankings do not use citation analysis."
So the world rankings give lots of weight to research and research dollars (which is why we rock it), whereas the national college rankings use test scores, graduation rates and other student specific data, which they argue is not comparable across countries. IMHO, it's a better reflection of the university's prestige as a whole.
If they would just could GSI's our international facutly score would be much higher
Are we the top PUBLIC school in the world?
Broadly speaking, most institutions outside the US are "public" in the sense that they receive direct public subsidy which has historically kept tuition low.
Actual legal charter statuses vary but that's generally considered less relevant than the financial support issue.
#14 in the world but #1 in my heart!!! LOL
OSU is ranked ahead of Case Western Reserve, and 100 spots in front of Notre Dame?
This installment of college rankings is the best evidence yet of why these lists are meaningless.
...as long as we're #1 to Kate Upton.
Must. Not. Stare. At. Computer. For. Next. Two. Hours....
My eyes just burned out from staring too much. She's still going right????
Best comment on here
I don't care what anyone says, these never get old :)
three thumbs up
I want to know how Ohio is #111 & Vanderbilt is #131.
Obviously, it's all the "Sports and Leisure studies" majors.
I got to 100 looking for vandy and gave up, deciding this was a pointless ranking. ND and Vandy are both top 20 nationally by most other standards and are 130+ and 230+ on this one.
This is a ranking designed to inform foreign students, not domestic students. Thus, it emphasizes diferent things. Notre Dame seems to be relatively unknown outside the US, so apparently didn't get enough academic reputation responses from the 90% of the respondents that were from outside the US to even register. Maybe they don't have a lot of international faculty and students, either.
The survey may have a point that you don't see, rather than being actually pointless.
You should see the Family Resource Managment majors emerging from OSU.
Stephen Budiansky recently wrote a really good essay on why the credence given to these rankings is such a bad thing: schools do a bunch of stuff that is really costly, unethical, and counterproductive to the mission of actually teaching people in order to game the ranking criteria, and the manner in which the criteria are aggregated into a final score is completely arbitrary. (Ignore the blog title if it would otherwise evoke a silly response.)
That said, U of M is ranked really high, so I'm all for the enterprise.
and how is it smiling?
7 B1G schools before the first SEC school.
And 8 CIC schools as we get to count Chicago in that.
I know Brady Hoke doesn't negatively recruit, but a sign with the relative rankings would be great to put somewhere in the football facility for recruits and their parents to see. If it's just a list, it doesn't count as negative recruiting, right?
Love that we're ranked high but that list is a joke. UVA, which is well known academically as commensurate to UM and Cal Berkeley as being the top public universities, is ranked 126 with an academic reputation score in the 50% mark... Retarded and false.
I know these lists are messed up methodologically, but UM has a GREAT name overseas in my experience (in the same league as HYPS) while UVa garners, "Who?" looks. Just a general observation that I can't explain but seems to be consistent.
I've been abroad for the past five years and I have been pleasantly surprised when foreigners not only recognize the name Michigan but they are impressed by it.
So I shoud start applying overseas?
Thats right. LOL
Employer reputation score:
University of Michigan: 90.0
And we're up to #8 in DTF Universities.
What is the building in the Michigan picture on that page? I don't think I've ever seen that fountain before... North Campus?
Also, I feel like the top 5 on that list have much better depth when it comes to attractive female options than the bottom 5. Why couldn't I have seen this list when I was still in school? I might have done a summer in Texas.
That's Lurie Engineering Center/The IOE Building, and having been an IOE, I have a good feeling that's not where F after the DT is cumming from (get it? - heh).
As for depth, I look at these rankings like recruiting rankings, very dependent not just on quality but quantity as well.
The university of pyongyang in north korea had a higher employer credential rating than ohiO
ND...that is crazy low. Some strange math going on here, but hell, I dont care, 14 works for me
Their Exploring program is tops!
For those asking about ND's rank, ND is focused on undergraduate education. Their research programs are mostly nonexistent. Since the role of the university in society is about research as much as teaching, ND is bound to be ranked low whenever research is among the criteria. They're still a good undergraduate school.
...but it wouldn't surprise me if Notre Dame's religious affiliation also hurts it in such ranking. Whether that is explicit or implicit, I don't have a clue. But it appears that most of those top instituions are secular in nature.
Yes, it's possible that US News hates Catholics. Or, I mean, we could just go with the fact that ND doesn't do research.
Anyone have any links to other renown or good University rankings, either Domestic or World-wide? Lots of hate on facebook due to this one
When I did the expansionist post (http://mgoblog.com/diaries/jimmy-wonka-and-big-ten-expansion-factory) using ARWU (http://www.arwu.org/index.jsp) and USNews, averaged over the last three years.
The B1G Then:
|22.00||University of Michigan - Ann Arbor|
|26.17||University of Wisconsin - Madison|
|29.00||University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign|
|39.67||Pennsylvania State University - University Park|
|43.00||University of Minnesota, Twin Cities|
|48.00||Ohio State University - Columbus|
|52.83||Purdue University - West Lafayette|
|59.17||Michigan State University|
|61.00||University of Iowa|
|61.67||Indiana University Bloomington|
Of course that article concluded no way Nebraska would join.