UM Needs to Recruit Montana Better & Other Fun Facts about Where NFL Players Come From

Submitted by alum96 on

Lots of conversations lately about recruiting and where the coaches come from and their backgrounds, plus talk of Urban de-emphasizing OH to a degree to go South.  Durkin seems to be bringing a lot of GA flavor already - I like. 

So decided to do some sleuthing and found a cool blog article I don't think has ever been posted.  Some fun facts in it as follows:

ALL THE EXPECTED STATES PROVIDE THE MOST PLAYERS PER CAPITA EXCEPT FOR ONE INTERESTING EXCEPTION - MONTANA

State # Per Capita
LA 59 77K
SC 55 84K
DC 7 86K
MS 34 87K
AL 52 92K
FL 200 94K
MT 10 99K
GA 97 100K
VA 55 145K
OH 79 146K

 

ONE HS IN FLORIDA HAS MORE NFL PLAYERS THAN 15 STATES CURRENTLY HAVE

1 - St Thomas Aquinas  
Ft Lauderdale (10!)  
T2 - Glades Central  
Belle Garde, FL (5)  
T2 - Glenville  
Cleveland, OH (5)  
T2 - Pahoke  
Pahoke, FL (5)  
   
14 schools with 4 each  
43 schools with 3 each  

- Looking at a map of Florida, Pahoke and Belle Garde are essentially neighbors; must be some epic HS football down there.

 

DETROIT HAS AS MANY NFL PLAYERS AS THE MUCH BIGGER L.A.  - AND NYC IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN THE TOP 12?

City #
Miami 25
Ft Laud 16
Houston 16
N. Orleans 16
Jacksonville 12
LA 12
Detroit 12
Cincy 12
Cleveland 12
Chicago 11
Dallas 10
Philly 10
Pitt 10

 

TOP 25 STATES IN TERMS OF NFL PLAYER PRODUCTION (NOT ADJUSTED FOR POPULATION)

*D.C. is a powerhouse in its own right considering its tiny size, but couldn't decide whether it should be rolled into Maryland or Virginia so kept it independent

State #
CA 213
FL 200
TX 172
GA 97
OH 79
LA 59
SC 55
PA 55
VA* 55
NJ 55
AL 52
NC 51
MI 44
IL 40
TN 35
MS 32
NY 28
MD* 25
MO 24
WI 22
WA 21
AZ 21
IN 20
CO 19
OK 19
   
*DC 5

- MS has more NFL players than NY - guess NY  kids prefer basketball

AnthonyThomas

January 14th, 2015 at 12:31 AM ^

That's true. Just by sheer number, not necessarily per capita. I wonder if another reason is the number of non-Americans (or at least Americans born outside of the US) who live in the city? This could skew numbers as well. Their population is huge, but probably less of the population is likely to be exposed to/play football than any other major urban center in the country. Just a guess. 

Farnn

January 14th, 2015 at 12:35 AM ^

Combination of factors:  Lots of immigrants, no where to play except outer boros, outer boro schools don't have budgets for football and there is no major interest to provide funding.   As someone who went to school in NYC, you just never even thought of playing organized football, more likely to play soccer, basketball, baseball, squash, tennis, or maybe hockey.

treetown

January 14th, 2015 at 8:48 AM ^

Football skills require a lot of training and development. Yes, having a larger pool of possible players increases the likelihood of finding a Denard Robinson but that's the crux - it is only the pool of possible players. 

If raw numbers were the only critical factor then we should see most of our top sprinters come from the big cities in China and India - yet world wide sprints have been dominated largely by smaller nations that have sunk a lot of resources into identifying and training sprinters.

I don't know what is the exact alchemy but it will have to have a resonable size pool, a lot of local football support and a strong high school coaching system. We've seen clusters of top players before - remember when Unitas, Namath, Montana and other QBs all came out of western Pennsylvania?

In the era of the Internet and the 24/7 sports news cycle, every big school (e.g. in the top 50) recruits nationwide and the top 10 can expect to have a shot at any kid who is good anywhere. The last scouting trick left is identifying the good kid with great potential on a bad team. 

OccaM

January 14th, 2015 at 12:42 AM ^

According to cattlerange.com, the state of NY has 1,450,000 cows. Buffalo's population is 258,000. Syracuse's population is 150k and Rochester is 200k. 

Unless all those cows are living in apartment buildings in NYC, I would say yes, there are more cows than people outside of NYC. 

 

SO SCREW YOU MAN! lol. 

Leatherstocking Blue

January 14th, 2015 at 10:37 AM ^

Yeah, upstate New York has a lot of land, not much in the way of football talent. My high school alma mater plays in the same league as Onondaga (Mike Hart's alma mater) and has a football roster of about 23 kids. A few years ago an Australian exchange student, who had never played football before, became the starting quarterback (and kicker and linebacker) and was by far the best player on the team. Nope, not much talent in the area and dramatically declining enrollment across the state doesn't make for a strong talent pool.

And I pass more cows than cars on my hour long commute to work.

bjk

January 14th, 2015 at 2:48 PM ^

The political boundaries of American cities are anachronistically frozen at about their 1900-WWII extent; since then neighboring areas, generally relatively well-to-do, have resisted incorporation for tax and other reasons. The population within those anachronistic boundaries is correspondingly deceptively small. The real measure of a city's size is its Standard Metropolitan Statistical Area (SMSA). Taking just Buffalo as an example, per WIKI,
The Buffalo-Niagara Falls Metropolitan Statistical Area is a metropolitan area . . . with a population, as of the 2010 census, of 1,135,509 inhabitants.

AnthonyThomas

January 14th, 2015 at 12:10 AM ^

I'm a bit surprised that South Carolina is that high. In terms of the southern states that outpunch their population in producing talent, I would have put Alabama, Georgia, and North Carolina above SC. 

Damon Arnette, a cornerback visiting this weekend, is from St. Thomas Aquinas. They have been a powerhouse for a long time, and it looks like Durkin knows their coaching staff well. 

Roughneck

January 14th, 2015 at 9:01 AM ^

As someone who lived in Carolina for over 10 years and who has taught in their schools, I can tell you that they do have major talent there. I believe that part of it is that their schools are so large. They collect students from a large area and deposit them in a 3000-4000 student high school. Creates lots of competition

FauxMichBro

January 14th, 2015 at 12:11 AM ^

LA proper is ghetto as fuck and real big time players would never play in LA proper. Given that, i'm surprised there's that many in the league from LA. talk about overcoming obstacles

Wolverine Devotee

January 14th, 2015 at 12:15 AM ^

Michigan has had 18 players in its history from Montana. The most recent being Edward Hickey. A halfback who played here from 1953-1955 from Anaconda, Montana.

alum96

January 14th, 2015 at 12:45 AM ^

I would be fascinating to hear how coaches in that era recruited kids from places like Montana.  There was no internet, no game tape, it wasn't easy to travel.  How do you evaluate a kid from friggin Montana in 1930 or 1950.  They take a train - sight unseen - cross country, to go to Michigan to tryout for a coach?

Alton

January 14th, 2015 at 11:25 AM ^

In the Big Ten, recruiting as we know it was against the rules until the late 1940s or early 1950s.  Coaches were not allowed to initiate contact with a recruit--they had to wait for a player to contact them instead.  They also were not allowed to have people contact recruits on their behalf, but of course that was pretty close to impossible to enforce.

A common tactic back then was for college coaches to get themselves invited to give a speech at a high school team's postseason banquet.  That would make it possible for the coach to have a conversation with a player they are interested in, to give the kid the opportunity to express interest.

I'm guessing many of them, especially the ones from 1880-1910, went to Michigan simply because they didn't have any options for high quality but inexpensive higher education (combined with a good football team) anywhere near them. 

Jack Harbaugh

January 14th, 2015 at 12:19 AM ^

I'm surprised that you're shocked by the lack of output from NYC. Yeah its a large population center but it's real hard to put football fields in a city with that many buildings and where land is so valuable. Chicago has some of the same problems but it's not as bad.

alum96

January 14th, 2015 at 12:29 AM ^

This is very true.  But as the poster higher on the page said, just from the sheer humanity there you'd think they'd have at least 15 NFL players.  Largest city in the country. 

I wonder how many HS football fields exist in NYC? 25? 10?   Maybe it's just a sport most HSs don't offer within the actual city as there is no land.  I am sure we have a lot of NY alums here who can educate us.