Gallon was brilliant obviously and Dileo is steady, but UM really needs a deep threat to emerge. Cheeson is the obvious choice here with his speed, but Norfleet could be a factor as well. Either way, Michigan needs a third WR to step up who can take the top off of a defense. UM has plenty of short and medium range weapons, but they need that extra deep threat because you know teams will try to scheme to take away Gallon.
UM needs another deep threat to emerge.
Over the next few weeks I would think Borges starts to experiment a little.
...so the OP can see my comment at the top of this thread.
OP - Shut up. And learn how to spell the players' names correctly before you share your opinion in its own thread like we all should care.
We've played TWO games. TWO.
A couple people tried starting this kind of thread right after the game or on Sunday, and that was just buzzkill. But now it's Tuesday. At some point we need to get back to the analysis stuff.
Wow, chill out man. Its a discussion topic. Don't like the topic, don't partake in the discussion. Simple as that. The whole point of the Board is creating discussion topics and this one is kind of interesting. Things are great so far but I bet the coaches aren't telling players "we've played TWO games so there's nothing to be changed."
Plus, purposely replying to an early comment just so everyone can see is both egotistical and douchy. Just sayin'.
As for the substance, I may have been imagining things but it appeared as though Reynolds had a step or two down the middle deep on plays where Gardner targeted Gallon underneath. Did anyone else see those plays I'm recalling?
Mr Yost needs a hug.
Mr. Yost, you need a Snickers and quick!
My hope is that the focus on Gallon's abilities allows for Chesson to get wide open down the field. Not sure if that'll actually happen, but it's a nice thought. I have a ton of faith that Gardner will put the ball right on the money if anybody has a few steps on the defense.
I believe this has already happened once or twice.
Speaking of Chesson, I didn't realize that his jersey reads "Chesson II" on the back until that magical bowling block GIF on the front page.
I think it's strange that Chesson hasn't even been targeted through two games. Is he not getting separation or is Garden just not looking his way?
There was some good buzz coming out of practice, some impressive highlights from practice, and he clearly has blocking down.
I hope he isn't too locked into Gallon. I mean, three TDs is amazing and all, but I have to think that MSU won't allow those type of touches for Gallon.
I'm not too worried about that unless they double Gallon, which seems unlikely because they're cocky on defense and he's not Calvin Johnson. It's not like ND was "allowing" touches for him. He was blanketed the whole game but Gardner was dropping dimes and Gallon was catching them. There was really nothing else the ND secondary could do in that game other than use telepathy to jump the routes.
We'll run the ball a lot against MSU's DL, and play action to wide open receivers. We only need to score 10 points, remember.
That's where DOUBLE D (drew dileo) comes in. Aka the maize n blue Wes Welker.
Bench him! Green should start at QB against Akron.
Doesn't have the top end speed or the height to really threaten over the top. Chesson is an over the top threat. The fact that teams have respected that is a big reason why Gallon and Dileo have had so much success over the top. Funchess will/is a deep threat as well, and Reynolds and spread the field a bit as well.
I think Michigan is fine in that regard. Right now, the team is just taking what defenses are giving them, which is working great.
I know you know your stuff, but I find it hard to believe that opponents respect a guy who doesn't even rate a pass attempt. They might cover him, but a genuine threat?
I mean, to catch the ball. To unsuspecting DBs trying to tackle, he is Jaws.
IBut they are keep defenders back, including safeties over the top, to stay on him, rather than have the safeties come up to take away the crossing routes. They might not respect him as a great playmaker or someone they need to scheme for, but they respect him enough to cover him within the scheme of their defense rather than changing their defense and scheming around Gallon or some of the underneath guys.
I don't think Chesson is a great downfield target yet. I don't know if he's even good, but I suspect he is at least good. And defenses are respecting him enough to play him as such. They are daring DG to throw it deep like they did with Denard yet.
Can't wait for Borges to unleash the dragon. Teams will have to stop loading the box against us and when that happens I think that Fitz is good enough to make them pay.
I think the O line did all right against one of the best D lines in the nation considering for some reason ND seemed to be selling out against the run in addition to a great D line.
He seems plenty fast enough from what I have seen/
But his top end speed isn't great. He's much more quick than fast. He won't necessarily threaten defenses over the top with his speed like Ginn Jr or Breaston.
This. If Fleet had top end speed he would have taken somewhere between 5 and 10 returns to the house already in his career.
Has not taken kick back for TD as sophomore return man. Do not want
Well, yes. We weren't looking at the best talent even before our "break-out star" in Darboh got his season wiped out.
Michigan is fortunate that Gallon has maximized his ability so much, but receiver is still a problem this year. Unfortunately, I don't see another true outside threat emerging this year. Next year the uber-talented recruits start coming in, but for now its Gallon on one side and duct tape on the other.
Kind of like 2001, except the QB is... A bit different.
Marquise Walker was an absolute stud that year.
Seriously. He was amazing.
But you can't deny there's a certain charm in looking back to the era of the Buffalo Stampede...
I think Gardner was trying to stear clear of anything resembling a jump ball on Saturday, because there were two times I noticed on the wide angle that Chesson was open deep. One of them was on the first TD featuring the block of the year. In the next few weeks Gardner will test his deep ball and get more comfortable with Chesson. I'm sure of it.
Herby said something similar as far as him missing an open target to the outside and instead hitting Butt. Well, DG is reading his coverage and going through the progressions accordingly. He isn't going to break his progression to a guy deep if it isn't within the scheme, just like on the pass to Butt his progression was from inside to outside.
Chesson may have broken open, but that wasn't the design of the progression. The progression was intended to have Gallon come open underneath, Chesson allowed that to happen by forcing the safeties to add depth. But DG has a progression from 1 to 2 that is best to beat the defense he saw, with Gallon being number 1 on that progression.
Is ND brought a ton of pressure from the LBs (like 5+ man blitz packages) and dropped the safeties deep. What they were daring DG to do was to beat them underneath and on the outside. Then they started running some man and DG hit Gallon and targeted his tall TEs in single coverage. But in the zone blitz scheme that ND ran often between the 20s, it's the intermediate that comes open as long as the safeties stay back, which they did.
Stop bringing facts to this. We all need to PANIC a lot more.
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The dude is essentially a HUGE WR. He allegedly runs a 4.6-4.7, which is pretty darn fast, especially for a guy his size. He can pretty much out-jump any corner/safety. Unfortunately, I did not have a chance to watch the ND, so I am not sure if they utilized him very much on the offense, but I don't see why could not be used as a deep threat from time to time.
Have not been as plugged in this season as my 1-year old keeps me busy on the weekends. I just remember from last season, when Funchess broke through the first level of defenders and bolted down the field for the end zone it usually resulted in a TD. The guy is 6'5", almost 240, with a nice vertical, so most safeties are like smurfs trying to take on Andre the Giant.
Give him/her a shot of bourbon 20 minutes before kickoff. That should put the little guy down for long enough to watch the game.
And will be targeted more as safeties start helping corners over the top on Gallon. If they want to stop Gallon's hitches, slants, and outs they need to play tighter, which means they need help over the top or risk getting burned often on double moves. Funchess to open grass is a big concept within Borges's playbook off play action and this sort of look. Matching up Funchess on a safety with Funchess having body position will result in some big catches from Funchess this season.
Granted, ND supposedly has a solid defense, but from what I've read, the RB was pretty much Gardner. Who was the last really productive back at Michigan, Mike Hart? I hope that Fitz can get it going as well as Green and that Michigan continues to recruit well at RB. Hopefully once the O-line gets a little more experience under its belt, Fitz will get into a groove. We have at least three (warm-up) games, to get the O-line clicking and give some carries to Fitz and Green. The evening game at Penn State should be interesting.
I'd say 2011 Fitz.
Fitz just gained 102 yards on 23 touches. Against one of (if not the) very best defensive lines in college football and a super aggressive linebacker corps that was totally focused on stopping him (hence the wide open runs when Gardner kept the ball).
We scored 41 points against a Notre Dame defense people were shaking in their boots about all offseason. The handwringing is getting fucking old.
Fitz had 22 carries and gained 71 yards.. for a very average 3.2 yards a carry... Catching a wide open wheel route isn't exactly the same as taking a handoff into the teeth of a good defense
A lesser running back would have gotten 35 yards with what Fitz had to deal with Saturday. Fortunately Fitz was able to juke some guys and break a couple tackles--but you are not going to put up 6 ypc when opposing LBs are charging downhill at the snap (or even before the snap on a couple of plays).
I think we will be ok with Butt and Funchess. Another would be great, but those guys are studs.
I would be a bit more concerned about how our defensive line could not get in the backfield the second half!
Would have come in GREAT this year
Bring back the negs!
Title not detailed enough? Stupid topic? I could perhaps understand the former, but not the latter.
Michigan very much does not need another deep threat since we seemed to do just fine with what we have. After we beat ND in a more-or-less strait-forward way, why do we need to clutch our pearls?
Would a deep threat give us better odds to win the big ten? Well, sure, I guess. Does the team as-is have a shot at winning the big ten? You bet they do!
I'd rather not. I feel we'd be risking the re-emergence of Tacopants.
the first game was a blowout. and against notre dame the staff wisely trusted the seniors. chesson will get his chance soon. I suspect he will get some balls Saturday.
That would be nice. But, as we saw against ND it's not as important as you may think. ND (supposedly) has an awesome defense and they tore it apart without the 'deep' threat. Obviously it would be amazing to have another great weapon, but it's hard to imagine a better offensive game that they just accomplished against ND.
Two days removed from a big win and we're worrying about this? Silly.
A.) Gallon has been a top target since Gardner took over and a GOOD South Carolina defense couldn't stop him.
B.) Funchess/Butt have been playing in two TE sets, and both have been getting the ball thrown to them a fair amount
C.) The run game?? Hello? Our run game is top 50 right now without having a back that's run 100 yards in a game. Toussaint WILL hit that mark 2-3 times this year. PLUS Toussaint can catch out of the backfield.
D.) Gardner will call his number a handful of times a game if needed.
I'm not worried about our offense. At all.
more than 2 - 3 times. I'm going with 6 - 8 times. Devin's passing and his own threat to run will break Fitz wide open, and he really looks good right now. The only thing stopping Fitz from blowing up will be sharing the load.
Oh, and I'm not too worried about the O-line...ND's front seven is pretty damn good. MSU line is tough, but USF ran with a fair amount of success...trick is to go right at them between the tackles, IMO. They are quick to the edges.
Chesson (who we know can also block fergodsakes) will get better, and so will our tight ends. We have a lot of big guys. They need to develop a bit and they will during the coming games. We'll have more coming in, and even better (supposedly) than what we already have, but the future - short, intermediate and long-range - is looking pretty damned good to me!
I was really hoping it would be Chesson - what with the track guy speed and all... but when I hear things like:
Hoke: "The three J's, really - Jeremy Jackson's had a really good camp, the best, probably, football that's he played during camp.
Joe Reynolds, Joe is one of those guys who we awarded a scholarship to as a walk-on -- and Joe has earned it... way he works every day and what he does...
...and I think the other guy whose... I'm forgetting..."
Hoke: "Jehu, yah, Jehu Chesson. You know, Jehu, we were really close, No. 1, to moving him to corner. Because he does such a good job, and such a good athlete... and secondly what he did during his time on the scout team, the look team, all fall and all during the bowl. You can tell that he can be special."
"Missing Darboh hurts, Joe [Reynolds] probably wasn't 100 percent. He'll be more hungry this weekend. How we progress, and DaMario is a guy who plays on special teams and is a backup we're trying to get ready. Csont'e [York] and [Jaron] Dukes may be guys, but I don't know if you'll see anybody else."
There are 2 things here that worry me:
1) A 6'3" guy with track speed and good hands... never even gets considered for a move to cornerback. A 6'3" guy with track speed and BAD hands? Corner.
2) The freshman who a couple weeks ago were "nowhere near ready to play" and were almost certain to redshirt are getting some playing time.
It happens. Everyone has brain farts. It doesn't mean Chesson is not an option. Hell, he's been getting starter-level reps in the first two games.
Reynolds caught an impressive deep pass against CMU with a defender practically on top of him. If he doesn't have a boo boo, hopefully he can be used more in the coming weeks.
And I'd like to see Funches used more. But I think he's banged up right now.
No more boo boos.
By the time November rolls around I expect Chesson "Destroyer of Worlds" to also be Chesson "Catcher of Stars"
legit. its not that we don't have a threat, we just have open guys short to mid. like others said Reynolds caught a deep one vs cmu.
...for 41 while not getting good push up front and throwing a pick 6, worrying about a deep threat at this point seems misguided.
Things to actually worry about:
- Penalties: 6.5 per game, many of the bonehead variety; e.g., false starts and lining up offsides
- Turnovers: yes, we cut them from three to one from the 1st game to the 2nd, but I'd rather give up 3 "normal" TOs than a pick-six.
- Kick and punt coverage: 110th in net punting and T-102nd in avg. KOR yds. per return
- Not having a 3-tech. who both can't get doubled 4-5 yards off the line or can remember an assignment
- Safeties who are still so young that in order to protect them, we have to play our corners 23 yards off the ball.
Something to get excited about:
- This team is ridiculously young and all of the above are mistakes of inexperience. With the chemistry and leadership of this team, and the schedule setting up nicely, we have time to get these corrected for when it really matters. I have a feeling that this could be a special year if we stay healthy.
...because scoring 41 (with 4 passing td's) against an above average defense means we need more offense? meh...i'm not buyig. it's only game 2. we have a nice schedule ahead to let the roster sort itself out and let certain guys emerge at certain positions. i don't think there's need for concern yet.
Its nice having that other compliment to Jeremy. Gives teams a headache when you have WR threats instead of just one. I understand Funchess, Butt , Dileo. But another long ball dude would be nice.
Chesson is already a deep threat and Borges used him like one last Saturday. Didn't you watch Gallon's first touchdown? Chesson's running deep down the hash took all of the safety's attention. If he can take a safety out of the play like that and open up 15 yard routes in the middle of the field, he can go on the rest of the season not being targeted.
I think Gardner needs to hit Chesson deep once or twice, even if it's against Akron or another overmatched team. Then the other teams who are scouting Michigan will take notice. Chesson doesn't need to be a 1,000-yard receiver or anything; he just needs to take some attention away from Gallon, Dileo, and Funchess.
moves forward. The 17 Negative Nellies need to chilax. I am not worrying, but merely stating what I believe needs to happen to beat the likes of MSU.
So we need another skill threat to take attention off of three others. I'll take it but to me it's low on my concern totem pole regarding M football.
Well, let's be honest - Dileo is a possession receiver and nothing more than that (except, you know, kick returner and holder and stuff). If I'm an opposing DC at this point, I would bracket Gallon and see what the other guys can do. Michigan might still beat you, but you have to take away a team's strengths.
Darboh was ahead of Chesson the entire spring and summer until he got hurt, so Gardner probably doesn't have the confidence/comfort in/with Jehu yet. I'm sure Borges will point out how wide open he is during film sessions, and he'll get at least a target or two the next couple of weeks. But the Notre Dame game wasn't the week to get Gardner away from his comfort zone of Gallon. The next two weeks plus the bye should fix it.
of Funchess, this is obviously why they have introduced Butt into the lineup; so we can go with different formations, even w/o a proven deep threat like JG. Funchess by his mere size and hands presents a matchup problem. You will see Al try a few things in the upcoming weeks, all of which present favorable opposition. Along with Funchess and Dileo in the slots, you should see Chessu or Jackson or Robinson as the other wideout as we introduce our spread passing formation. This will also ease the strain on the OL and allow Fitz more area to run in due to the necessity of the lbers having to be on their toes. Drew and Devin both have great hands, and then along with Butt who is obviously coming along and is looked at as becoming an integral part of our passing game which was borne out Saturday night, the five package with this personnel will test a lot of secondaries, many of which our inferior. With defenses having to respect the sidelines, expect a lot of 12-15 yard routes to Funchess and Dileo, even Butt to complement Jeremy on the outside. The coaches will see when they begin to neglect Jackson or whomever they decide to line up opposite JG and then we will toss the ball there and more than likely it will be caught. * Our personnel, although still not at the level we need at wideout, but soon to be corrected with the Mayor and Harris coming in with those already on board, is sufficient with a proven thrower of Devin's caliber. The kid has only started seven games for us and is throwing at about a 60% completion avg. Look for that to climb by about 4-5 percent before we get into the meat of our schedule. *By that time, our toughest opponents will respect our receiving corp as opposed to Jeremy alone, as your post suggests. I think the evolution of another RB, coupled with Fitz consistently contributing with 100 yard rushing games is of paramount importance on the offensive side of the ball.
I am one of the more pessimistic posters on the board and I am not too worried about this right now. I think Reynolds is solid. He won't blow people away but he is a good possession receiver. I think between Chesson, Dileo, and Reynolds Michigan will be fine. I was blown away by the way Gardner played. He creates nightmares for defenses that will help the wideouts get open.
We have Funchess and Butt up the seams so we will be ok.
To me, this whole thread sounds like:
...I'm really hopeful for Joe Reynolds. I love seeing kids that have stuck it out with little PT blossom in their Jr. or Sr. year. He has the speed to at least make opponents respect him as a deep threat, and a really nice grab vs. CMU with the defender nearly in his grill.
The thing is, the defenses still only have 11. They can focus on Gallon if they want, but that'll open things up for the running game and/or other receivers.
has a very good point. Michigan needs another threat to emerge or its going to be an entire season of 10 men in the box, running LB's downhill, and double coverage on Gallon. TE's are goot decent, depending on who's targeted but you aren't going to survive long if 1 or 2 other WR's on the field aren't threats to do anything.
You could also say, Michigan needs to get a running game going, even a marginal improvement would make this offense absolutely lethal.
That is definitely the goal, but it's probably going to have to be a guy like Funchess or Chesson, and it won't be in the classic deep-threat models people are used to. This is going to be a fun offense but one that doesn't have the "classic" appearances we've come to expect.
So a thread like this is the opposite of beating ND and assuming we're title contenders, right?
Gallon is the deep threat. For that matter Funchess and Butt are both deep seam threats. I don't see another team shutting down the straight run game as well as ND either. For that matter they might be the best defense on the schedule outside of MSU and we hung 41 on them without "another deep threat."
Here's what is more concerning IMO:
Pressuring the QB.
This team is going to be damn good with or without establishing another receiver.
and no, Funchess and Butt are not deep threats. They are tight ends and TEs are generally are good for short and medium range passes. Neither Funchess or Butt is going to take a guy deep for 40 yards. Not going to happen.
In case you didn't notice, but UM did not score a TD versus MSU last year. Yes, they won and that is all that matters. But can they get away with that again at MSU? Perhaps, considering how pathetic MSU's offense is. But having a fast outside WR would make things that much easier for Gallon, Dileo, Funchess, Butt, and Toussaint.
Where's the threat?