UM-MSU Snowflakes Thread

Whoa, way too early.  Probably won't win, but this has got to be a record.

Can't say I blame Craig James for killing five hookers if he ever had to watch a game like that one.

has been off for over 45 minutes... I guess this means no comeback. We just weren't ON tonight.

NCAA tourney games are neutral sites

Belien has not done his job in the past few games.  Piss-poor substitutions and inability to coach a lick of defense.

A complete and thurough ass-kicking maybe exactly what this team needs. Jesus this is embarassing. 

I'd like to at least see GRIII find himself during this game.

Snowflakes? Gonna be a damn blizzard after tonight's game

I'm getting tired of watching teams with big men casually rebound and score, rebound and score, rebound and score, rebound and score, rebound and score, rebound and score while 3 guys not named jordan morgan hover around with vacant expressions on their faces

We are the most upset-able top 5 team in the country

Football is getting commits again. Oh, and did everyone hear, Kate Upton is on the swimsuit cover of SI

My opinion of the game is that it’s very fair to start questioning what Belein is doing to get these guys ready.  The team is getting worse every week. Nobody has improved other than McGary, and he was awful tonight.  The offense has become completely one-dimensional, the defensive effort is just embarrassing at times, and there is absolutely no mental toughness on the road against decent teams, especially from the freshman.  How many top 30 recruits consistently fail to show up for games and throw the ball right at the other team multiple times?  Novak and Douglass were guys nobody wanted, and they competed well against State. This team is talented, but they look SOFT and stupid in big moments, which is a bad combo.  In addition, Belein’s substitutions have been very questionable.   Spike, Levert, and McGary on the floor at the same time is a disaster, and I’m not sure how the coaches don’t see that.  This is not a top five team right now.  It’s barely a top 15 team right now.  

SPORTS.

We have been outplayed, outshot, outhustled, outcoached and outeverything in this fucking game.

Robinson has got to be hurt.  There is now way he shouldn't have thrown that down.

Refs sucked tonight and the team has no effort or energy.  Novak has to be furious.

nobody came to play

This team hasn't been ready for a game in 3 weeks. We don't have an offense and our defense is pathetic.

Kittens?

GRIII should not start. Bench him until he shows more effort.

 I think starting instead of coming off the bench freaked McGary out.

I know Burke is the only one who came to play but he's been walking back on defense a lot this game, not a good example.

I know Burke is the only one who came to play but he's been walking back on defense a lot this game, not a good example.

Kittens...thank you. I need this.

Robinson and Stauskas have both been absolutely terrible in big games. Robinson more so (doesn't even deserve to play) but we won't with a 2nd round tourney game with the production we get out of everybody except Burke, Hardaway (when on), and McGary.

Hey guys we got Bryan Mone

Pretty good summation at top. Somewhere along the line this turned from a team of athletic young dynamos to a team of jump shooters. That's really all you can say about us anymore. The defense is flimsy, the physicality is non-existant and the offense has no Plan B if the jump shots don't fall. We don't even look like we're playing smart anumre, which is never something I thought I'd say about a Beilein team.

A Michigan game off (even during the Rodriguez era), but I can't watch this anymore! Wow! What a disappointment.

To all the 2012-1013 Sparty B-ball doubters, please stand up, pelase stand up!

At least we have the better football team for the forseeable future.

Gutless, just completely gutless. They should all be ashamed

No way to spin it. We got crushed. One Blogger is giving up the board for lent. I may just give up Michigan basketball altogether for lent.

I've been saying it for a month now, this team is LAZY!!! And it's not just on defense way too many guys just standing around waiting for someone else to do something! Disgusting!

i cannot recall more than five times in the last 5 games that burke has gone to the rack. grIII doea not deserve to be on the floor right now. on a good note he should enter his name in the mls draft cus he cant create he can just run around

wish I cared less about Michigan Athletics... It is wonderful most of the time, but times like these make me want to rip my hair out, and cry in fetal position for an hour.

This is a goddamn disgrace. It's like watching a high school team scrimmage grade school kids on the play ground.

I didn't even watch, I decided to watch the state of the union instead (yea,yea no politics I know). It's the same shit everytime. The team is simply not elite and it showed.

a lot of big, defensive minded teams in the tourney early - recipe for disaster

I have not seen anything that resembles a good basketball team tonight.  At least they can beat  up on Penn State and give them some confidence.  Not that it will matter much because this team can't rebound or play defense.  

balls

An ass-kicking so thorough that you hope it's a reality check and a humbling that will build the team back up for greater endings. 

Wow. That was just brutal. I had to turn that off (haven't done that in a long long time). That was an ass-kicking if ever there was one. This team will not go far in March if they cannot step up their physicality. 

It's just one loss and will serve as a wake up for the team.

Just a disaster.  Only hope is that they badly need the week off.

If you don't let us run and can guard Burke, we have issues.  I feel like there aren't many teams outside the Big Ten that can do that, but man.  And the defense has been awful, particularly in the first halves.

I like the continuation on another player that's being discussed right now.

Attitude: Michigan doesn't have it.

Do we still lose like this if Wisky misses that shot?  I think so.

GRIII seems to be losing confidence. 

I think you can make a case that this was/is the worst loss in U-M hoop history.

This is what the team needs. Before this stretch, we were flying too high and got too cocky. This stretch may just bring the team down to earth, and show them that they need to win games with effort as well.

Penis! What a crappy end to the day

Game KILLED this team. I think they let Wisconsin beat them twice.

What a brutal stretch though - four ranked teams in a row, three of them on the road.

Have to question where the leadership is going to come from now...?

I thought Morgan was supposed to be our defensive rock? How many times did he get outhustled?

First basketball or football game I turned off early in a couple years...just seems like one of those nights. State couldn't miss - we couldn't hit anything (even layups).

We totally are coming back from 30 down with a few minutes to play now.

Well played.

Is it possible that this team is just totally and utterly exhausted?  Think about this stretch they have played since last saturday.  @Indiana, OSU, @wisco, @msu.  Plus going to overtime in two of them.  They are off until Sunday, I want to see this team get rested, get pissed and come back strong to finish off this season.

This is why you don't make an "Izzo's team is garbage" thread in November.

Hopefully this game wakes this team up. They aren't doing anything in March looking like they did tonight.

I look at this team the last 3 weeks and see a decent Beilein WV team.  I'm not sure what happened over the last month, but I don't like it.  Our guys are scared out there.  They don't rebound, they don't defend, they don't go to the basket.  Its unfortunate that we haven't really improved or grown during b10 play.  If anything we've regressed.  

lol ap#1

Running the table the rest of the way and parlaying it into a B1G tourney championship and a strong NCAA tourney showing will most certainly make tonight and Saturday forgettable. 

Just don't feel M has what it takes. The next 3 vs. PSU, vs. ILL, @ PSU will be key to kickstarting it.

fucking joke this game was... yet another game that JB does not have this team prepared for...

Everything is still terrible. No reason to alter my hatred of it yet.

Probably have lost worse, but those teams weren't good. No reason for this team to get run out of town in the biggest game of their season to date.

Backs are against the wall now and have to win out just to share. But this doesn't look like a team that's even going to be able to protect home court right now. More likely we're just trying to get our shit together because all this ugly gets erased with a nice run in March. But it's sad to be playing for March before mid-February with this team.

We may not be #1, but we're not playing to the level of our talent either. We can keep using youth as an excuse, because guess what- this is college basketball today. You're almost never going to have a talented and experienced team. You have to find a way to win with freshmen, and sophomores.

And everyone dissing Izzo and MSU back a month ago, uhm, yeah....

I'd watch this tape every day if I was Trey Burke. See those "things" laughing at us. See all those, terrible things.

The team will be in Ann Arbor for the next 15 days or so. They need to get some rest now and watch highlights of this game everyday till they meet these guys again.

They ran out of gas last year, hopefully they can get back some momentum over this break.

They did fail in their most important stretch of the season to date though. They can turn things back around.

Scared.

This team is playing scared.  Why I have no idea but you can see it in their eyes, their body language and their overall play.

They are scared.

Can a team built around players out of their ideal size-based position really contend on the big stage? It seems clear that GR3 is not ready to play the Novak role (and I don't think many people ever will be--Novak was a special guy)



I think that the way this team is built sets it up for failure on the defensive end. We have no athletic bigs to cover our mediocre perimeter defenders. Ideally, McGary/Morgan would be a 4, and we would have a stronger 5 presence.



I see that I'm rambling. I dunno. I just think this team is doomed to be soft. I know I know they're allllll freshmen, but I just don't see where we can grow. To me it's like a 6 foot linebacker who could be really good but he's just too small

Is old man Paine still in?

Granny Harris put its fake teeth back in.

He's like the Alfonso Soriano of basketball. When he's hot you can't guard him. When he's cold the basket could be 10 feet wide and he still wouldn't make it. 

Game's not over, we can do this!

All I really saw tonight was true freshmen playing like true freshmen. Couldn't buy a basket under the hoop, lots of thoughtless turnovers. They got flustered on the big stage because they're young and they're not ready. Hopefully this gets them ready.

Beyound stupid to play the back-ups for such extensive minutes. Even if your in foul trouble you have to go with your main guys before it gets out of hand. Completely outcoached tonight.

Got pushed around and couldn't do anything about it. Very early 2000s like.

Michigan looked like the softest team in the country.  What a joke.   Well at least we know that GRIII and Hardaway wont be entering the draft. I doubt they could get minutes in the WNBA at this point. 

Burn the tape and move on. Nothing to take from this one. They came to play and we didn't.

I will be happy if this team only makes the sweet 16 now.

They should fall out of the top 10 after this game. They have lost 3 out of 4...and have just been humiliated on the road.

That Izzo is such a great human being. I love him so much.

I don't watch much NBA, but after these last few games against high level competition how in the world in Burke considered such a high draft pick?  His D is average, his outside shot is iffy and agianst tall, quick defenders he gets shut down.  

Outcoached, outhustled, outsmarted, and outskilled....

We didn't play our best

Izzo was pretty classy in the post-game interview.

This teams ceailing is the seet 16, and we saw exactly why tonight. Go Blue!

For some reason I have very little emotion towards this loss. Maybe because M got taken out so early in the game. I was much more irate about @OSU and @Wisc, but this. Jaded, man. Jaded.

I realize defense is an issue but do they not have any set plays on offense to try and get somone a good open look?  It seems the offense is either 3 man weave on the perimeter or pick and roll on the perimeter. 

State, from Izzo on down, WANTED this much much more than Michigan did.  He outcoached Beilein from start to finish.  Period.  Don't get me wrong, i really like what Beilein is doing and has done already this year, but tonight, it was ugly, and it starts with the HC.

As for the team, anybody not named Burke got dominated, and he only marginally played better than Appling.  Hardaway was a total no show, including ZERO defense to go with his awful 1-11 shooting tonight.  GRIII has bottomed out, let's hope he gets his mojo back and gets back on track.  The Big guys got thoroughly dominated, really hope Morgan gets healthy and playing again, they miss his interior presence, and he is the only nasty player on the team.  McGary played like a freshman tonight.

All told, gotta take a step back, that was the most difficult 4 game stretch any team will have, and if Brust does not heave his miracle shot, Michigan would be in excellent shape.

Got some easier games upcoming (2 against Penn St plus a home game with the now resurgent Illini) before the State game again.  Hope they get some wins, get their confidence back, and try to return the favor in two and a half weeks. 

Again, this is why the Wisconsin loss hurts so much, now Mich has to win out and hope to get some help with MSU and IU each losing one more game.

Ehhhh we could be Kansas...

Ummmm... Welp? Is that a thought?



For real though, it's one game. We take them and Indiana at home and we still have a shot at the Big Ten. Long shot? Sure, but you know what? This is the first time in a long time I can say that we still have a great shot in the tournament.

Note to John: Don't play lineup of spike carius max tim and jon for ten minutes a half.

Guys, we got Bryan Mone today. That is awesome.

We just went through the toughest 4 game stretch in all of college basketball. We come out 2-2 if Wisky doesn't make an absolute prayer. We played Indiana very tough on the road. Every team has one terrible loss, this was ours. We are still a great team with a decent chance to make a Final Four run. Just calm down people!

Duke has responded well against squishy competition after their rout at Miami, there's no reason we can't do the same.

Our team looked like a team that asks significant contributions from 3 freshman, or 60% of the players on the floor, lest we forget Burke is only in his sophomore year as well.  The youth argument is probably an old, tired argument, and it won't make you feel better, but it's true and worth acknowledging.

Our lack of offensive sets is getting ridiculous. It's apparent when Spike is running the point, we can't do anything! Go back two years, we had a far-less talented team, but we were able to run sets and get good looks. We just can't do that against good defenses this year.

As much as I dislike Izzo, at least he gets in his player's ass when they play like shit. I wouldn't mind seeing Beilein do something besides take a drink of water.

but based on comments above, it seems like the same thing may have happened here that happened in other loses. We can thunderstruck and no one knows how to respond, Trey Burke plays some hero ball, the other team gets jacked up and there's no Novak to have an Aneurysm of Leadership