I don't have the option of being able to smoke in a resturaunt anymore thanks to the great state of Michigan. I also can't light up at a hooka lounge, a cigar bar or a private club. But hey, I can smoke at Greektown or MGM. Glad to see where the priorities of the state lie. I honestly don't have a problem with an owner saying they don't want smoking in their establishment--that's a perfectly reasonable request. I do have a problem with the owners not having a say in the manner.
UM to Implement Campus-Wide Smoking Ban
Yes, teh restaurant should be able to choose whether they want to serve smokers or not... I would nto go to a restaurant that allows smoking personally. But now you are taking the decision away from the owner and enforving it on everyone.
You do know that there are other cities in Michigan besides Ann Arbor right?
I am somewhat confuzzled.....
You posted a very long response on the dangers of smoking and suggest a $13 fine is adequate. Then you respond to your own post by asking "have we gone too far" and "if you don't like smoke, go someplace else."
Is your name John Kerry?
EDIT: Nevermind. I've been bamboozled. Two different posters with Lupus.
Essentially even the EPA says there's no hard facts on the effects of second hand smoke in wide open spaces.
How is this trolling? Don't like facts, so dismiss them?
Secondhand smoke, as generally referred to and understood in medical literature, almost always refers to inhalation that occurs in a closed environment, i.e, indoors. Doesn't apply to a ridiculous outdoor ban; the exhaust of passing cars is more dangerous by many degrees of magnitude.
We can do it here. That's a tobacco growing state, the campus is just as integrated into the town, blah blah blah.
Places this will never be observed: The courtyard and sidewalks around East Quad.
Stay strong, RC Kid.
Smoking became less cool after it went mainstream. Besides, they smoke a really obscure brand that you've probably never heard of.
The college I work at is going to enforce a smoking ban starting next year I believe. They tried just posting signs asking people not to smoke within 50 feet of a building entrance and placed those ashtray/garbage things at the appropriate distance. No one pays attention though. All the smokers still just huddle right outside the doors to the buildings than throw their butts on the ground. On a rainy day they will actually sit inside the vestibule and smoke so they don't have to get wet. They were given a chance and failed so now they get the right taken away.
This will be good for everybody. I hope it takes hold.
writing a $13 fine to President Obama when he sneaks outside for a cig before giving his next commencement address. Even really smart people do stupid things-that applies both to smokers and people who try to outlaw minority activities they don't approve of.
So quitting smoking is a stupid thing?
What again does Obama have to do with this?
He is a smoker?
He was a smoker. One of 48 million as we've been told. No policitcs, yo.
It's not your decision to make for others.
No, it's the school's decision, and it's the right one, especially if it discourages a couple 18 year old students from smoking, or even smoking less. Bans such as these also have a myriad of other short and long term benefits. It's damn near a public good.
At this point we've moved onto the state ban, at least that was what I was getting at. Regardless, it's not UM's responsibility to worry about "discouraging 18 year olds from smoking". If you want to discourage employees in an effort to save on insurance, make them pay more of their insurance costs.
It may not be the school's responsibility, but it's the right thing to do, and when large decisions regarding smoking are made the discouragement line of thinking is always a major facet. I would imagine the discouragement argument takes even more precedent in this case because it's not a city being discussed, but a college campus. The numbers do show more people quitting and trying to quit when a ban has been put in place in their area, and I'm sure UM knows this, and cares about its student population.