well that's just, like, your opinion, man
I have signed and hope that they will release him. My thoughts and prayers are with him, his family and friends
His family states that he was visiting his grandparents and has nothing to do with the CIA. Unfortunately trials in Iran are a sham. They've made ridiculous judgements like this in the past only to change their minds at the last minute. I hope to god this happens. I suggest you all sign the petition.
Signed, and you have my support.
Out of curiosity, did Amir go to Michigan? My thoughts to him and his family, and here is hope that he can be brought home safely.
He went straight to the Marines out of high school, but his sister attended UM.
Amir did not, but at least 2 of his sisters are Michigan alums.
"We're going to execute him" is Iran's saying they want a bigger bribe.
Best of luck to Amir. I'd also encourage MGoBlog members to call their represenatives directly about this issue.
Also, prayers sent.
Terrible story. Hopefully it works out.
Fuck Iran and Go Blue. Signed
maybe I'll play that number. Best of Luck to Amir and his family during this trying time.
Praying for Amir's saftey and release.
Prayers out to Amir and his family.... go blue
Best of luck to Amir and his family.
I suspect that while we may not have direct diplomatic relations with Iran, the State Deparment is actively involved. I can't begin to imagine what his family and Amir are going through.
Signed... I've seen first hand (Venezuela) the atrocities that these governments can commit. Best of luck to him and his family. #2585
This is about the fifth instance of the Iranian government pulling this kind of crap. No American citizen should set foot in that country as long as the current regime is in place; you will have no recourse if they decide to snatch you. Achmadinejibberjabber and the mullahs would like nothing more than to provoke a military response from the U.S. or Israel, since that would give them carte blanche to crack down on all domestic Iranian critics and opponents of the government.
Hope this helps...
Signed. Hope he's able to get out of there.
I'm praying that this is just a power play, trying to goad the US into negotiating (which, we all know they won't do) or easing off on the economic sanctions that are crippling the nation. The document they have posted on CNN is just his Marine ID. If he was truly CIA, he would have no paperwork remaining, including his military past. Hopefully they drag this out trying to get something out of it and realize they won't and release him. I mean, the guy has family in Iran.
2664 - keeping Amir and his family in my thoughts and prayers.
I was shocked to hear about this terrible situation. Amir and his family are good people (his parents live a street over from my father) and I can't imagine the kind of harrowing experience this must be for them all. My prayers are that they can find some moments of peace and calm during this ordeal and of course that Amir is released as soon as possible.
Signed. Best of luck to him. This needs to have far more attention in the media as this is the first I have heard of it.
Signed - 2685. I will pray that he gets released.
Signed. This kinda shit from the Iranian government is a complete travesty. I hope Amir makes it home safely.
2763...God's Speed Amir.
This story hit my yahoo frontpage. It's a big deal, first American sentenced to death since the year I was born, 1979. I hope our government negotiates his way home.
#2773....hope you make it home
This is terrible, and is wrong.
I will risk the banhammer to make both a brief political and religious comment. It is worth it to me.
Violence and terror of this kind is absolutely deplorable, unacceptable, and intolerable. However, what I find almost more deplorable is the silence of those who come from the same background as is common in Iran. If those individuals in the United States coming from the Middle East and from a Muslim background fail to speak publicly, clearly and unequivocally against such actions, well their silence speaks louder than words. At best, it shows cowardice. At worst, it shows complicit approval.
On Christmas Eve, dozens of Nigerian Christians were killed by Muslim extremists. This in itself is very sad. But to date, I have not seen or heard of a clear renunciation by American Muslims of such behavior. For instance, the University of Michigan Muslim Student's Association website is silent. (Link: http://www.muslims.studentorgs.umich.edu/.) I have sent them an e-mail requesting information as to whether or not they have spoken on these issues. I am sceptical about whether I will receive a response, let alone a statement condemning such violence.
Your post is an EPIC FAIL. Way to use this tragic incident as an excuse to cast fear and bigotry upon Muslims. Your argument is also flawed and hypocritical, since Muslims could use the same stupid logic to criticize American Christians for re-electing Bush despite his having started two wars in Muslim countries. Amir Hekmati is an American Muslim, and the fact that he was a Marine and did more to serve his country than you ever will should make you feel ashamed of yourself.
You should get hit with the banhammer, you fucking idiot. Get the fuck off the soapbox.
Way to extrapolate that from his post - get lost man, seriously. Nodody here wants to read your BS.
I don't see why he should be banned just because he said something to offend you. To say that he used "this tragic incident as an excuse to cast fear and bigotry upon Muslims" is nothing but hyperbole and, along with your other choices in words, an ad-hominem attack that makes you look like the "fucking idiot". And I say this as someone who has actually served in the US military. Learn to debate someone respectfully instead of being another internet tough guy who would never say that to someone in real life.
Read over the rest of my posts on this site; I am far from an "internet tough guy". I am perfectly capable of engaging in a reasonable debate. But bigotry and racism cross the line. Bigots deserve nothing but contempt. Re-read his post and substitute "Jew" or "Catholic" for "Muslim". Would his views sound reasonable then? Would a Jew who objected to an anti-Semitic post not be right in calling for the banhammer? This guy is accusing Muslims as a whole of cowardice or of being complicit in this tragedy (and WTF do the attacks in Nigeria have to do with Amir Hekmati, BTW?), which is gallingly ironic since Amir Hekmati is himself a Muslim and a United States Marine.
There are many opinions that are entitled to respect, even in disagreement. Bigotry towards an entire race or religion is not among them.
Muslim anywhere in the posting at all. Your overall message is not false, but it seems to me you're just looking for a poltical fight on mgoblog, which - to be honest - is extremely annoying.
Ironic that you tell the OP to get off his soapbox, when he's is just trying to raise awareness of an injustice. But yet, you come on here (on your soapbox) screaming of injustice. Talk about hypocritical.
Compound that with the fact the neither link in the post even makes mention of the word Muslim and no subsequent poster has mentioned it either.
Umm, what? Muslims are the very people he's talking about:
If those individuals in the United States coming from the Middle East and from a Muslim background fail to speak publicly, clearly and unequivocally against such actions, well their silence speaks louder than words. At best, it shows cowardice. At worst, it shows complicit approval. On Christmas Eve, dozens of Nigerian Christians were killed by Muslim extremists. This in itself is very sad. But to date, I have not seen or heard of a clear renunciation by American Muslims of such behavior. For instance, the University of Michigan Muslim Student's Association website is silent.
I was reacting to a bigoted rant against an entire religion. The guy is using a tragedy in which the victim is, ironically enough, a Muslim and a Marine to imply that Muslims as a whole are complicit in anti-American, anti-Christian violence by fringe extremists. That's a textbook example of bigotry. I don't think my reaction was at all inappropriate. I am a reasonable person, but I have no tolerance for bigotry.
EDIT: You seem to be under the impression that I was replying to the OP. I'm not replying to the OP, I'm replying to StephenRKass' bigoted rant above. Hope that clarifies.
My mistake. DIdn't see his comment because it was hidden. Well in that case, I really have no problem with what you're saying. I agree with you - can't paint an entire religion/race/faith/people etc. with a broad stroke. That being said, due to the history between the two factions - one cannot help but be cautious - as evidenced by this very example. But of course, that's where the slippery slope of bigotry/profiling, etc that perpetuates the problem. It's really all learned behavior, and I hope that one day we can all move past it.
My apologizes - I thought you were responding to the OP.
You should probably have done some research (even a quick google search) before you decided to make such far-reaching sweeping generalizations. To the specific incident that you mentioned, hope this satisfies your desire for a condemnation from the Muslim community:
As a member of the Muslim faith, is it really my job to go around denouncing and condemning every thing that is done in the name of my beliefs? I condemn it in my heart, and I condemn it by not acting in a similar fashion by being a productive member of society. I condemn it by being a good neighbor and co-worker. On that token, should we as Americans be obligated to go around and condemn every act of aggression that may be committed in the name of American freedom? I think not.
Above was in response to StephenRKass, not OP. Not sure if you can tell from the stream of replies.
Feels weird to be thanking a reasonable Spartan for telling off a bigoted Wolverine, but THANK YOU.
We're all Americans irrespective of our faith, and that kind of bigoted rhetoric is dangerous and un-American no matter who it comes from and no matter who the target is.
Despite our rep, we're not that bad....both Muslims and Spartans :)
Shame on me for not doing a full google search. Thank you for providing the link. I gladly stand corrected, and hope to find more such statements. (Frankly, I was surprised not to hear or find more such condemnations among other relevant American communities, such as some in Detroit.) In fact, I expected to find something at MSA speaking against violence: you are correct that it is a logical fallacy to extrapolate from their choice not to speak against such events to the wider population (i.e., your search provides at least one group that spoke out.) Any time generalizations are made is generally a FAIL.
Regarding your second statement (what your responsibility is as a member of a group) I am less sure. I will grant that you as an individual have less responsibility to speak against something that is wrong. However, organizations have a greater responsibility. And when all the individuals fail to speak against something wrong happening in a group of which they are part, because it isn't their job, because they are only one person, the results are not good. Can we really condemn something in our heart, by not doing the same thing, by being a good neighbor?
Let me make this personal in several ways that don't reflect well on my heritage.
Silent condemnation only goes so far. I won't say it is exactly your job to speak out. But whose job is it?
Would it be fair of Muslims in Iraq to insist that every Christian church or organization condemn the US invasion of their country, which self-proclaimed born-again Christian George W. Bush launched because he said God told him to? Would it be fair of Muslims in Afghanistan to insist that every Christian church or organization condemn the ongoing US occupation of their country, which was also launched by Bush because, again, God told him to? Would it be fair of African-Americans to expect every White Christian church or organization to condemn the dragging death of James Byrd by the KKK (which is a Christian extremist organization in the same way that al-Qaeda is a Muslim extremist organization)? Would it be fair of Muslim Palestinians (or Christian Palestinians, for that matter) to insist that every Jewish synagogue and organization condemn the Israeli occupation of their homeland? Are you willing to condemn every single atrocity committed by Christians in the name of Christianity, not just those committed by your ancestors?
Do you see now how your logic is flawed and offensive?
I see the slippery slope you are alluding to. That is to say, obviously, it is impossible to condemn every single atrocity committed by Christians in the name of Christianity. You can't do it, simply because one literally can't be AWARE of every single atrocity committed by Christians in the name of Christianity.
However, when I become aware of an atrocity committed by a lunatic fringe group calling itself "Christian," well yes, I am willing to condemn such an action. Whether it be the Branch Davidians, or an abortion clinic bomber, or some other idiot wrapping their actions in the cross and the flag, yes, I should condemn such actions, and am willing to do so. I do think that every Christian church or organization should condemn the dragging death of James Byrd by the KKK. In fact, I'm confused by the thought that any Christian church WOULDN'T condemn and reject such a heinous and evil action. I struggle to think of any justification whatsoever for such an action.
Where I will acknowledge clear hyperbole and overstatement on my part is my suggestion that Muslims should speak against Muslim violence. Not being a Muslim, I can't and shouldn't speak for Muslims, and I have no right to suggest that Muslims have any responsibility to speak against Muslim violence. There may be theological reasons why Muslims shouldn't speak against violence. I don't know, I'm ignorant on this topic, and so I'm willing and able to retract this suggestion.
Being more familiar with Christianity, I will say that I as a Christian should speak out against atrocities committed in the name of Christianity. That's as far as I'll go, and I'll accept your correction. To assume that a Muslim has the same societal responsibilities as a Christian is an assumption that makes an ass of me.
EDIT: Before you respond, let me add that this thread has clearly gone over the line of inappropriate commentary, as regards Brian's strictures on poltics and religion. As such, I expect that when/if a mod reads this, it will be deleted. I'd be open to dialogue, but to honor Brian's express wishes, I won't post further on this thread at this blog. In other words, should there be further response from you, well, you can have the last word.
Fair enough; this is not the proper forum.
Also: I apologize for calling you a fucking idiot above. I still don't think it was unreasonable of me to be offended by your initial comment, but I realize from your latest response that you were genuinely curious and/or misinformed, and I shouldn't have reacted so harshly. Because of the way our political discourse has become so polarized and extreme these days, I've developed a bit of a short fuse on these kinds of issues. Please accept my sincerest apologies.
No true muslim would ever support those attacks. You don't know the context of the situation. Why are you asking people from the Middle East and a Muslim background for an apology? You do realize he is Iranian. And Iranians in America hate the current Iranian regime more than anyone else in this country. A lot of them fled after the Islmaic Revolution in 1979. And as a proud member of my University of Windsor's Muslim Student Association you can send us a message with your concerns about any issues.
As noted above I failed to google search appropriately. Doing a simple google search brought up several responses from the worldwide Muslim community condemning the violence in Nigeria. I will be interested to see what happens as regards the situation in Iran.
I suppose the media tends to focus on the sensationalistic headline, and hence, there wasn't much if any coverage on such statements from the Muslim community condemning violence. I'm glad to see there were some such statements.
Also in the thread above, I noted that I am neither from the MIddle East nor a Muslim, and as such, I am ignorant of the context and what Muslims should or should not do. While I feel the responsibility to speak out against violence perpetrated by fringe "Christian" groups, I cannot assume there is any responsibility for Muslims to speak out against other Muslims who are perpetrators of violence. As noted above, there may be good reasons why Muslims don't speak out against violence or apologize for violence. Again, no one in the Muslim community or from the Middle East owes any American including myself an apology for the violence of other Muslims. I stand corrected, and expect nothing from you or any other Muslim.
Unfortunately, the media sometimes fans the flames of such misunderstandings. I took at face value a recent radio news report in the Chicago area stating that 80% of the Muslim mosques and prayer centers in the United States supported violence against the United States. I feel bad that I accepted this news report uncritically, because I certainly don't personally know whether or not any mosques in the United States either support or stand against Jihad and violence against the American way of life. American mosques may or may not support violent Jihad against Americans. I am ignorant, and don't know one way or the other, and I suppose I'll never know for sure whether or not and to what degree mosques in the US support violence.
80%? I am totally stunned. Can't be true, sure there are some bad apples but I can't see 80%! Most Muslims are thankful to be in North America and Muslims in America are especially patriotic. I think this a great program and very relevant to our discussion, if you have time and you’re interested, check it out:
Signed, and truly hope that he is released.... and I don't mean this is a trolling type of way, seriously. I mean NO disrespect to him or other CIA members in the field (we don't know and cant' know if he is CIA - CIA would never admit it. BTW, I have a step-sister and her husband who are both mid-east CIA agents. So with all that said....
If the US caught someone they thought was an Iranian spy, they would send them to places unknown. Likely forever. We've had trials for other "spies" or "combantants" that have been as equally empty of justice as poor Amir likely had. One might argue that we are making the right decisions in these cases and our side is justified in doing so. I won't argue this point at all on this blog. But just as a matter of fact, I think it is fair to see this situation in the same light as the Iranians see it. This situation is not one of Iran being more evil and shitty than almost any other government (though I think they often are, IMO). This is a situation of governments acting like governments act. Our also. If it is wrong for them to do so, then....?
The Iranian government has no credibility whatsoever.
and praying for his release.
Best of luck to Amir
Of what's happened to this person is absolutely pathetic. He's an unfortunate pawn who's being 'tortured' by a sadistic megalomaniac who has the approval of the religious hierarchy. God we're so lucky...
no. 3034. hoping for peace, always.
The contempt that this government shows for Americans is, sadly, exceeded by that which it shows for its own people. Free Amir, and Free Iran.
That picture is just so precious. What a heartbreaking turn of events. He and his family are in my thoughts and prayers.
Signed it. Here's to his immediate release.
...and even I signed it. Best of luck, Amir.
Thanks for posting this.
The picture is really cute.
I hope he gets released soon!!!