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April 7th, 2014 at 1:50 PM
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UK's Fab Five??

Parrish calls Kentucky "UK's Fab Five," and then follows up with this:

 

"On the other hand, if UK wins, Michigan's Fab Five will be permanently displaced as the sport's most accomplished first-year starting lineup, and wouldn't that be something?

No team has ever won a title starting even four freshmen.

Kentucky has a chance to do it starting five."

 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24517115/its-uks-fab-five-vs-connecticut-for-college-basketballs-title

 

I guess I'll be rooting for UConn.  What about you?

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April 7th, 2014 at 1:56 PM
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I'm rooting for UConn

I'll be rooting for UConn, but not really because of this.   The Fab 5 have had their time to shine, and they're known for a lot more than being 5 freshmen that did very well.

 

(Edited to sound less dickish.  Since I have a habit of sounding dickish)

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:17 PM
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UMs Fab Five are immortal!

There can be only one! 

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:27 PM
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Individuals don't make the NCAA championship. Let's not sound bitter, people, Kentucky has a good team.

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April 7th, 2014 at 4:00 PM
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Agreed.  Here's hoping the

Agreed.  Here's hoping the refs don't let UK get away with all of their bull rushes and offensive goaltends tonight.  If it's officiated fairly, UConn wins (but then again, so do Michigan and Wisconsin).

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April 7th, 2014 at 1:56 PM
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Kuck Fentucky!!!!

Kuck Fentucky!!!!

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April 7th, 2014 at 1:58 PM
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At least not ALL of our

At least not ALL of our freshmen accepted cash and other illegal benefits.

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April 8th, 2014 at 12:33 AM
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No, say it ain't so....

Kentucky didn't pay E.J. Floreal, did they?

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April 7th, 2014 at 1:58 PM
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Rooting for UConn. Not

Rooting for UConn. Not because of the 5 freshmen, but because Calipari seems like a jerk. Whenever I have seen his press conferences he always seems to discredit the notion that the other team outplayed his team. It's always "well we didn't do this, or we didn't do that" and one of the things I find endearing about Beilein is his ability to give credit where it's due. 

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April 7th, 2014 at 4:12 PM
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In his defense his team is

In his defense his team is the most talented in all of college basketball. 

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:21 PM
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Exactly, I love how this is

Exactly, I love how this is totally ignored for some reason.  It's still a pretty impressive accomplishment, but the Fab Five compairsons are bogus.  If it wasn't for an injury to a non-freshman starter, we're not even having this conversation.

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April 7th, 2014 at 8:04 PM
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The difference is that the Fab Five played against

Christian Laettner and Bobby Hurley in their senior years.  Talent like that is long gone to the NBA in 2014.

Unfortunately, if UK's five freshmen win tonight, they will have done something the Fab Five never did, qualitative differences notwithstanding.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:01 PM
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Rooting for Kentucky. My dad

Rooting for Kentucky. My dad wins like $500 if they win. Some blind pool he bought in to. 

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:02 PM
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Don't really care

It's a totally different era and game now. Much easier for a freshman to make an impact now in the  in the "one and done" age. The college game is much younger now then back when the Fab Five played, and freshmen are often the best players in the game (look at the draft histories since the age limit rule went into effect).

Records were meant to be broken, and it was only a matter of time until an all freshmen lineup won a championship with the way the draft eligibility rules are setup today. I don't really care who wins tonight but probably leaning Connecticut because Calipari irritates me.

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April 7th, 2014 at 4:01 PM
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Hugely different era - teams are not as good now

This can't be said enough. It's like when people (e.g., ESPN) were making a big deal out of Doug McDermott being the 7th (or whatever) highest scorer of all time. Players today play 5-10 more games per season AND many great scorers (e.g., Pete Maravich, Oscar Robertson) were not allowed to play their freshman year. So it's not that meaningful.

I mean compare this year's Florida team (the consensus #1) with Duke in '91-'92 (the consensus #1). Even though both teams are/were senior/junior-laden, they are not even comparable in terms of talent.

- Duke had Laettner (very hateable, but one of the best college players of all-time and a solid pro), Grant Hill (great in college & pros), Danny Hurley (great in college, #7 NBA draft pick), Cherokee Parks (good in college, #12 NBA draft pick who played for 10 years) and a few other good college players.

- Florida has a bunch of very good/good college players with experience, who worked hard as a team, but none will be considered an all-timer in college, let alone the NBA (e.g., none will be a first round pick). Yet, b/c they had good talent and great experience, along with an excellent coach, they were #1 in the nation and made it to the Final Four.

And '91-'92 Duke barely made the Finals! That's b/c they had to tough out wins over other experienced/talented teams (e.g.,  Calbert Chaeney's Indiana). 

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April 7th, 2014 at 7:38 PM
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Yes, what was remarkable

Yes, what was remarkable about the Fab 5 is that they did it against teams of mostly Juniors and Seniors . . . many of whom were NBA-level players who stayed to be Juniors and Seniors.

Kentucky did what it did against teams of mostly Freshmen and Sophomores . . . teams like us.  

Not quite the same accomplishment.

 

 

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April 7th, 2014 at 9:26 PM
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agree

Its weird but college basketball may be the only sport where the better teams from 20 yrs ago could beat the crap out of the better teams today.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:06 PM
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Well, I believe Fab Five is a

Well, I believe Fab Five is a trademarked term (by Jalen maybe). So no, just like the US women's gynamastics team in 2012 found out, UK legally and technically doesn't have a Fab Five.  Take that, Parrish!

(Edit) - Besides, the Fab Five changed the face of college basketball (and athletic fashion as well).  There is much more to what Webber and Co. accomplished than just hardware in a trophy case.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:21 PM
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What hardware? No B1G or

What hardware? No B1G or National titles were won by Webber and crew.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:28 PM
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Last time I checked you get a

Last time I checked you get a trophy for winning your region. Hence why Final Four appearances are counted as they are. 

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April 7th, 2014 at 6:16 PM
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Funny, I'm looking in the

Funny, I'm looking in the NCAA record books for Michigan going to the FF in those years and can't seem to find it.

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April 7th, 2014 at 7:16 PM
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Shut up.

Shut up.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:04 PM
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At the time of the Fab 5...

...it seemed pretty improbable that a starting lineup of freshmen could nearly win the NCAA championship but we also need to consider the context.  It was a different era then and the Fab 5 were battling many senior-laden teams.

In today's context with so many younger players getting into games and then moving to the pros after a year or two, probably it's more surprising that all-freshmen teams haven't yet won a title in this era.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:05 PM
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this is just one of the many

this is just one of the many reasons we are all huskies tonight.

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April 7th, 2014 at 7:40 PM
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I was a Badger on Saturday

I was a Badger on Saturday night.  That didn't work out so well.

 

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:05 PM
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Rooting for UConn

I simply find Kentucky annoying, and don't want them to win.

Having said that, I think we're a bit jealous. Wouldn't almost every team like to have such gifted individuals come to their school?

I'm not sure that Calipari is a jerk. He is just dealing with the hand he has been dealt, and the fact that many one and done players are coming to congregate at UK.

I really wish Michigan or Wisconsin had knocked UK off, but it didn't happen. To their credit, the Michigan players were respectful, and gave UK credit. They dared UK to hit from outside the arc, and they did. What can you say?

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:09 PM
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Hand he was dealt?!?!?!  If

Hand he was dealt?!?!?!  If college basketball and recruiting was a big poker game, Calipari would be the asshole who keeps getting caught cheating but just shrugs his shoulders, says "you got me," then moves to a different table and continues to cheat anyways.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:28 PM
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I think you're missing the

I think you're missing the fact that Calipari, and his approach to recruiting and college basketball, is the reason one and done players are at UK.  It's not a "hand he was dealt" so much as his MO.  Of course every school would love the type of raw talent Kentucky has, but (i) it's not feasible for anyone except MAYBE Kansas and UNC and (ii) most coaches would never choose to go down the road Calipari has gone down.  Guys like Bo Ryan, Beilein, Izzo, Coach K, even Pitino (not to mention every program not in the "elite" category) prefers to recruit to their system and develop players within that system.  Getting an occassional 5 star player is just a bonus.  Calipari's "system" is recruit the highest rated, most athletically gifted set of high school seniors he can squeeze on his roster while attempting to fit them into positions - then hope a bunch go pro so he can do it all over again.  Other than that, it's "roll the ball out" and let his recruiting efforts (or those of Kentucky boosters) pay dividends .  Personally, I think that approach makes a mockery of college basketball.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:51 PM
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Calipari

There were two reports from the sideline reporter that stuck with me. First, she said during one huddle, Calipari told Harrison to drive more and shoot less. That is the exact same advice I gave the fourth graders I coached this year. Second, she said Calipari scolded Harrison about his body language, and two minutes later they show Calipari on the sideline whining for a call.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:36 PM
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I think a lot of this board

Is missing the beauty of the dribble drive offense and the way it opens up the offensive glass.  When it's running well, the weave up top with the handoffs waits to get a matchup that they can exploit, forcing help defense that leaves Kentucky's bigs un-boxedout (probably not a word) as they crash the offensive glass.  You can see Calipari have trouble getting his players to run this set, but when they do it's nearly unstopable.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:54 PM
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Michigan has this set in it's

Michigan has this set in it's arsenal. They have run it going back to Darius Morris. It's one of the ways Morgan has gotten wide open dunks, and how GRIII has had those baseline lobs wide open. The big difference being Kentucky has so much youth they don't run many other sets where as Michigan does. Also, Kentucky has so much athleticism at every position, this really is the best offense for them. 

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April 7th, 2014 at 6:41 PM
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This

I'd upvote you infinity if it were allowed.  This is the point nobody on the board is willing to concede and it makes us look sour.  Kentucky does have an offense.   The same dribble drive that made stars out of John Wall, Derrick Rose, and Marcus Camby.  We claim our open dunks are the offense yet Kentucky's clear lanes to drive aren't considered.

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April 7th, 2014 at 7:45 PM
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They don't actually have

They don't actually have clear lanes.  They just put their heads down, charge at the defenders, and fling the ball up in the air.  They either get a blocking call, or their other athletes get the OREB and they do it again.

If the game is called like a basketball game and not a football game, that strategy does not work so well.

 

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April 7th, 2014 at 9:36 PM
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How long do you think it took

How long do you think it took Calipari to come up with this "offense"?  He's not drawing up or installing anything complicated to cleear up a bunch of space or create mismatches.  The most creativity he uses (or has to use) is dribble handoffs.  Even so, I don't see a lot of clear driving lanes from their halfcourt offense.  Otherwise he's relying on his set of superior athletes to use their athleticism to drive by, bull through, or jump over people and get to the rim.  That isn't revolutionary.  I'll admit, it must be nice to have that many freaks on your team to not have to worry about x's and o's, but I've said before, I don't like what comes with it.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:10 PM
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I like Kentucky

I hate Calipari.  Ergo, Go Huskies!

I'll echo some comments above.  The fact is that the Fab Five had a CULTURAL impact.  This was the true differentiator of that team, not just that they were five freshman starters (although that in itself was also unique) that made two national championship games in a row.  

Good for those UK kids.  They're uber-talented and having a great run.  But they aren't, and never will be, on the level of the Fab Five.  

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Cultural Impact...

I really do think that is an important point anyone talks about the impact of one team or set of players - the Fab Five were a marketing phenomenon and the force behind changes to the very look and feel of the game itself.I don't think that there has ever been a Kentucky team that could say this, but I could be incorrect there.

Even now, the changes that were begun by that Michigan team resonate today. They didn't win in either 1992 or 1993, but their names and innovations live on in the game.  

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:43 PM
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Look and feel of the game?

UK has had its moments, although mostly infamous:

Levi Strauss couldn't have done it any better (or worse)

 

Cat's claws?!?!

 

Clowniformz?

 

Not much better...

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:16 PM
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Calipari Is A Scum Bag

If you don't think so, you are the most naive college basketball fan on the planet. Cheering for the Huskies because I do not want to see the human slime win another championship. 

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:20 PM
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I agree with most posters.

I agree with most posters. The Fab Five played in a different era. Their impact on and off the court cannot be understated (within the context of college athletics). UK's group are a bunch of highly rated individuals who really underachieved until three weeks ago. The Fab Five came in with high expectations, but no one outside of Ann Arbor wouldve thought that those guys wouldve had the lead at halftime against Duke in the title game. What the Fab Five did was truly incredible. I cant see anyone other than Julius Randle starting on the Fab Five. Rose, King, Howard, and Webber would eat the sad five's cheerios without saying please or thank you.

And Calipari is a used car salesman with a whistle. Hes the same guy who left his team out to dry when they were underperforming this earlier this year. Hes a frontrunner that cheats. He has no ability to develop talent or really even coach a team. Hes pretty much running an NBA prep program like its an AAU team.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:21 PM
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I'm rooting for UConn simply

I'm rooting for UConn simply because I hate John Calipari.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:25 PM
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Agreed.

Agreed.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:23 PM
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Rooting for Kentucky.  I

Rooting for Kentucky.  I would rather have the team that knocked Michigan out of the tournament win than the team that knocked MSU out. 

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:30 PM
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I'm rooting for UConn, but

I'm rooting for UConn, but because Calipari is a scumbag, not because of any threat to the Fab Five's legacy.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:02 PM
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The same

I'm sure many have seen this, but if you haven't--a CBS poll from 2012 asked nearly 100 coaches who the dirtiest basketball coach is. More than one-third said Calipari:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/197...

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April 7th, 2014 at 7:49 PM
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Love this quote, from a

Love this quote, from a coach: "Cal probably doesn't have to cheat now as much as he used to, but he's still the standard. The rest of us can't even deal in his league. He's the best." 

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:39 PM
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Kentucky is a talented team,

Kentucky is a talented team, as we know first hand, and it would be huge accomplishment if they win the title game tonight. That being said, they are NOT the next Fab Five. Winning (or not winning) was only one of the many factors that made our collection of freshmen special. The Fab Five forever changed the culture of college basketball - for better or worse. This UK team, while very talented on the court, has done no such thing.

All of that being said, go Huskies! I couldn't stand the ESS-EEE-SEE winning another title.

 

(KU, UK - Who's paying attention?)

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:35 PM
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It's about time

It took twenty years and two documentaries to come even remotely close. . .  And odds are people won't remember them so much as they'll remember the original fab five after it's done. . .

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:36 PM
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Sure someone has already said

Sure someone has already said it, but those Duke and Carolina teams are better than anything college basketball has produced since the one-and-done rule has been implemented.

 

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:57 PM
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Sorry, Parrish does not make the rules, let alone

the enduring memories. The Fab Five rocked college basketball for two years; Kentucky. . . not even a discernible playing style, let alone players who compel our attention. The Fab Five was a cultural force!

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April 8th, 2014 at 11:14 PM
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Kentucky doesn't have a

Kentucky doesn't have a discernible playing style? They're probably the only college basketball team in the country that doesn't run anything. Once every four or five trips somebody tries to set a ball screen, and more often the not the dribbler waves it away. Maybe two or three times a game they set something up out of a timeout for a lob/dunk. That's it.

When they're on offense you can identify a Kentucky game with your eyes closed, just from the sound: a ball being dribbled, no squeaking of sneakers because everybody else is watching the dribbler. Bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce. Pause. Pass. Bounce bounce bounce bounce bouncebouncebouncebounce... Then swish, or clank, or oof and a whistle as the dribbler bangs into a defender in the lane. And sometimes a big ooh from the stands as somebody dunks home the rebound.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:41 PM
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Kentucky fans and local beat writers will be the

Kentucky fans and local beat writers will be the only ones who ever refer to this Kentucky group as the Fab 5. Everyone else will always think of Michigan and the way they changed college basketball.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:59 PM
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Everyone? I bet most college

Everyone? I bet most college students (even those that are basketball fans) can't name more than one or two members, if they even know who they were. 

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April 8th, 2014 at 10:16 PM
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But even if that were the

But even if that were the case, Owl, that is still one or two more than any player on Kentucky currently. My point is obviously that the Fab Five and Michigan are intertwined and will always be connected, no matter how badly some random local kentucky sportswriters want people to think otherwise.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:41 PM
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Sure...

As long as you're completely ignoring any bit of context.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:55 PM
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They're not the same

no Kentucky team under Calipari ever will be. Quick, name 3 of the starters from UK's last national title team.....no one remembers any of Kentucky's players. They're just a bunch of hot shots who play a year or two and then go to the NBA.

The Fab Five weren't just 5 really talented freshmen like all of UK's teams are. The Fab Five were different as far as their 'swag' on the court and how they wore their uniforms (black socks, baggy shorts). Kentucky's freshmen have no cultural influence. They're just five freshmen.

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April 7th, 2014 at 2:59 PM
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KY resident here.  For what

KY resident here. 

For what its worth, i've gotten nods of agreement when I tell my coworkers that this team is in no way comparable to the Fab Five and will not be remembered as such down the line.  As someone pointed out above, this team is 5 individuals who didn't decide to start playing anywhere near a team-centric level until tourney time. 

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:07 PM
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Jalen disagrees with us

Fab Five 2.0!!!

— Jalen Rose (@JalenRose) April 6, 2014

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:21 PM
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Jalen saying that doesn't

Jalen saying that doesn't necessarily hurt our argument.  Jalen owns the trademark to "Fab Five" so if he can build some hype in calling UK the Fab Five and thus inspire some folks get some UK merch rolling out with that on it, he's in for a big payday in royalties.  In other words, don't mind him, he's just being an oppurtunistic businessman here.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:46 PM
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Yeah, of course

I was just surprised that nobody had mentioned Jalen's comments about Kentucky.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that Jalen is always calculating what he says and does. He's a smart, savvy guy.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:14 PM
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UK's FF will finish a great season if they can close the deal.

They will never have the impact that the Fab Five had on and off the court. The only time I rooted for a Calipari squad they choked to Kansas. I wanted to see CDR and Memphis get a ring.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:15 PM
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Tbh, I never saw the Fab Five

Tbh, I never saw the Fab Five play live so I cant really talk. I mean to me, it isnt even a big deal that an all Freshman team in in the National Championship Game.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:16 PM
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His argument is bullshit.

His argument is bullshit.  

Michigan's Fab 5 was there when the expectation was that the top college players would stay for at least 3 years.  They were going up against some of the best talent and they were all 2-3 years older than them.

UNC's team had 6 McDonald's all americans - 5 of whom were Juniors or Seniors.  Michigan's route went through Jamal Mashburn's junior year at Kentucky in the final 4 as well. 

I think UK has been very impressive in how they reached the final game, but not one game has there been a combination of elite NBA talent at a senior-led team - because quite simply, that doesn't exist in college hoops anymore.  

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:18 PM
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To take it one step further -

To take it one step further - UK should have ABSOLUTELY dumptrucked everyone this year if it was back in the early 90s.  Anthony Davis.  Terrence Jones.  MKG.  Archie Goodwin.  Most of these freshmen would have been playing on the bench (or likely, signing with other teams).  There would have never been a "Fab 5 2.0".  

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:30 PM
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The Fab Five had to play Duke

The Fab Five had to play Duke in the final.  That 1992 Duke team would beat anyone in this tournament by double digits.  That's back when guys like Bobby Hurley, Grant Hill, and Christian Laettner actually would play four years.  It's easier to win with freshmen now than it was back then. 

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:30 PM
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Playing five freshmen against teams were the

Playing five freshmen against teams were the majority of NBA level leaves as soon as they have the opportunity is not the same as starting five freshmen against teams were NBA talent stayed through thier junior or senior years. I absolutely hate the comparison.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:31 PM
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I'll be rooting for UCONN.

I'll be rooting for UCONN. The main stream media seems to forgot or not even mention how he put two schools on probation before he got to Kentucky.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:37 PM
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Sadly, given what we know

Sadly, given what we know about Calipari, I think this Fab 5 will ultimately have its legacy just as tarnished in a couple of years.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:38 PM
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The Fab Five as freshman played one of the best Duke teams ever.

UCONN is a totally different team

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:38 PM
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Last I checked....

UConn's roster looks nothing like 91-92 Duke or 92-93 UNC.

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April 7th, 2014 at 3:53 PM
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I am rooting for UConn. Our

I am rooting for UConn.

Our Fab Five made it to TWO NC games in a row. 

We can talk about FabFive 2.0 if UK's guys all come back and get to the NC game again.

Meanwhile I hope UConn guards against a 3 pointer at the end of the game.

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April 7th, 2014 at 4:08 PM
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I don't know what this thread is about...

...I rarely skip the OP, but this is one of those times.

I'll just say this. These guys from UK are AWESOME.

BUT! There will never be another Fab Five.

Culturally it is literally impossible for UK or any other group in the future to even be compared to THE Fab Five.

On the court, sure...go for it. But don't call them the Fab Five because the Fab Five were more than just basketball. They changed SO much in college sports and culture period. So much about the Fab Five has NOTHING to do with sports. In the same way you can look at Michael Jordan or Tiger Woods' legacy off the playing surface and see an impact (just not to that degree, obviously).

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April 7th, 2014 at 4:15 PM
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I think the fact that when

I think the fact that when our fab five was playing, the competition was far superior.  Our freshmen were for the most part playing against teams loaded with upperclassmen and the leagues were far deeper.  This Kentucky team has some next level guys for sure but I don't think there really is any comparison between the two.

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April 7th, 2014 at 4:17 PM
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Really???

Ya don't think Ray Jackson and Jimmy King were really just kinda along for the ride?

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April 7th, 2014 at 7:17 PM
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you obviously don't know how talented Jimmy was.

you obviously don't know how talented Jimmy was. Ask Jalen he will tell you.

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April 7th, 2014 at 4:57 PM
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There's only ONE Fab 5

Kentucky frosh ain't it either. This dude needs to stop biting too...be more original.

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April 7th, 2014 at 5:23 PM
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This matchup has the highest combined seeds ever

... Because they beat all the higher seeded teams they faced. UConn beat the consensus #1 team in the country convincingly in addition to the 2,3,4 seeds in its bracket. Kentucky took three members of last years Final Four (1,2,4 seeds) before Wisconsin, so they both have the requisite mountain of skulls.

As FF2, I agree with the posters above: today's one-and-done rules make it nearly impossible for a team to assemble a resume as good as the original FF. They just won't have anyone as impressive to beat. This iteration also doesn't appear to have five NBA players including two guys who played at All-Star levels for a decade.

Don't really care who wins, they both have game and it should be a good matchup. I don't care if the coaches are idiots; I care somewhat if they're cheaters, and I would care more if they're actually cheating now, but the only evidence of that seems to be Calipari's past, which isn't enough for me.

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April 7th, 2014 at 5:24 PM
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Agree with "Snow Sucks"

Perry Watson and, in retrospect, Ed Martin, probably delivered CWebb and Jalen to Michigan.  OTOH, UK's boosters have probably delivered every four or five star to sign with UK since Calipari got there.  

The Fab Five may have had a couple of players get some decent change, but UK has pretty much stopped pretending that they don't want to buy every one and done they need.  The only upside is that they are more than likely buying one or two players a year who would have taken the money in Columbus.

 

 

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April 7th, 2014 at 5:33 PM
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UK boosters aren't paying

UK boosters aren't paying players.  No school is paying players.  It's sad that people use this as an excuse.  It would be so obvious that all of these star atheletes are riding around campus in Range Rovers they can't afford and with social media it would be everywhere.  The players themselves would let it slip when they have a few too many at the bar.  If Kentucky is paying basketball players why don't they pay football players?  If Alabama is paying football players why not basketball players? 

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April 7th, 2014 at 7:53 PM
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Are you new to college

Are you new to college sports?

 

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April 8th, 2014 at 1:28 AM
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Do you think it's the 80's?

Do you think it's the 80's?  Players aren't taking money anymore.  If they were you could take down a program with an iphone.  Snap Julius Randle getting out of his Range Rover and post it on Facebook.  Do you think Cal would risk his $5 million salary on this?  Does Michigan pay players?  How did they get the #2 player in the country if other schools are paying players?

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April 7th, 2014 at 9:03 PM
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Not sure if serious

Not sure if serious

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April 7th, 2014 at 5:31 PM
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Could be

This team had blossomed In the tournament. They very well could outdo the Fab Five. There is only one Fab Five though!!

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April 7th, 2014 at 5:36 PM
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In the one and done era,

In the one and done era, Michigan's Fab Five would have crushed all.  Uconn 2014 is no Duke '92 nor UNC '93.

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April 7th, 2014 at 6:45 PM
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The only real "Fab Five" the UK has ever produced

would rather Hold Your Hand, or ask you to Drive My Car, or even Live In A Yellow Submarine, than drive the lane (unless it's Penny Lane).

They also answered to the names John, Paul, George, Ringo, and either Stu or Pete.

 

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April 7th, 2014 at 7:18 PM
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Fab 5

I have nothing against the Kentucky Freshman, but the biggest difference between them and the Fab 5 is Everybody who followed College Basketball was able to name all 5 Members of the Fab Five, not many people can name the 5 Freshman of the Kentucky team since Lee has only played 1 minute of this entire tournament before the Michigan Game, and Johnson wasn't too involved in the rotation until late in the season.

    The Kentucky Freshman come in way more Heralded then the Fab 5 accourding to thier All American Rankings out of highschool , but what the Fab 5 did was change the entire landscape of college basketball.

  Because of the Fab Five , the baggy shorts,the bald heads the Blck socks on Black shoes are all still instilled into todays game, and it all changed because of the Fab Five.

 

 

Webber, Rose Howard King and Jackson.

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April 8th, 2014 at 12:07 AM
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Finally.

A mention of Howard.  For all the talk throughout this thread that nobody will ever forget the names of the Fab Five, you're the first one to at least mention his last name. 

Juwan Howard.  My favorite member of the Fab Five.  Not the flashy one, but always solid, and the one with the longest NBA career, the one with the most NBA rings, and, most importantly for U of M,  the one that signed first of the Fab Five and helped pull in the other 4.

 

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April 7th, 2014 at 8:21 PM
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no way

no how. this team does not compare to the fab five what so ever. I'll argue that Webber, Howard, and rose are better than any player on UK. not to mention this is a totally different era in college basketball. the fab five played against 4 year seniors not the young squads of today's 1 and dones. the fab five would eat this team alive.

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