Im watching the Herd on ESPN and Colin Cowherd just said he has inside information that UConn is going to join the Big Ten. At a first glance, it seems like a good fit. The Big Ten would get some of the New York media and UConn has a solid football team, solid academics, there making big renovations to the campus, they have an above average basketball team and the top women's basketball team in the country. I think Uconn will be a good fit. Thoughts?
UConn to join Big Ten?
It's just got to be true, right?
It is an interesting proposition. I wonder if this is part of a 3 team pick up, or a 5 team pick up?
As a part of a larger pick up - could be fine. This would open the Northeast market a little. I think we would need a Pitt to round it out.
I don't really know much about their academics, and that would be critical to the university's Presidents.
Pitt would follow suit if its true making the big ten a threat in both football and basketball.
I would really only like to see ND join the conference
we got there when we realized that there's very little reason Texas would ever join the B10.
They have traditional rivals with Oklahoma and other Texas schools, as well as being one of the giants of their conference. If we were going to steal someone from the Big12 is likely would be Missouri or Nebraska.
They will have a reason if the Big Ten goes to 16 teams and takes Nebraska, or others from the Big 12. If they see the writing on the wall that the Big East is getting Broken up, and there could be 4 16 team conferences in the aftermath, it would be either the SEC, ACC, Big Ten or Pac 10 (who really wants Texas and A&M as well.) The Big Ten offers a greater payout than any of the other conferences, and they might jump at the chance if this is happening. I would love to say screw you to ND and take Texas, A&M, Nebraska, Pitt, and Missouri. Or throw in another 1 or 2 Big East teams and ND would screw themselves when the Big East folds. Who knows, but I would love to send a dong punch to the Irish and leave them screwed because of their arrogance.
Too arrogant to get certified as a top research university. They are better than that, clearly!
and never understood why everyone thinks they are such a great candidate. UConn on the other hand has a competitive BCS-level football team and would probably rival MSU as the best basketball school in the conference.
I would argue that from a purely athletic performance standpoint (specifically football & basketball) UConn would be a stronger addition than Notre Dame.
Not sure you can look at it from a purely athletic performance standpoint. ND brings tons of fans (both for and against), pedigree, instant media attention and the SECOND winningest FB program into the B10. UConn brings none of those factors. Having the two winningest programs of all time in the same conference is certainly not a bad thing. Also, assuming that both ND and Michigan return to former glory, that would make 3 top tier programs in the same conference (if you reluctantly admit that OSU is a top program). Yes, ND has been going through a tough decade or two, but UConn's FB prominance consists of what - a decent season or two in the Big East? I just don't think that you can compare Uconn to ND.
That said, ND ain't coming, so we might as well discuss realistic options, of which UConn is one.
Currently in the Directors Cup:
26. Notre Dame
Where did you get that data? If you look at the most current standings, As of April 9, 2010, the B10 looks like:
The other schools look like:
#23: Notre Dame
That was the most recent data I found with a quick search on NACDA. Yours may be more recent if its dated April 9th.
Next update, April 29, we will move up quite a bit - we got the NC in one of the 4 sports in the next recalculation (M Gymnastics) and they factor in Ice Hockey with the next recalculation as well, which we technically finished... 6th? I'm not sure.
...as long as we win on Sep 4.
They seem like a default pick. Would love to see Nebraska, Va tech, Pitt and Uconn join. That would be a home run. O wAit that's fifteen. Then maybe ND or Rutgers. Yeah that's the ticket.
I'm expecting the Lady Wolverines Coach Kevin Borseth to have one of those press conference melt downs if this becomes fact.
1) UConn does not have solid academics.
2) Not a chance in hell.
Everyone is throwing out the most ridiculous ideas, but I don't see any serious consideration except given to the candidates that every source has down and that Delany has already cited as ones to the Chicago Tribune from their study a few months back.
Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Pittsburgh or Rutgers for a 14-team conference, Missouri and Pitt or Rutgers next (Rutgers boggles my mind, but makes more sense if you bring in SU and Pitt). I think the Big Ten goes to 16, this is all about bringing in schools that fit the profile of the Big Ten and will add to the long-term financials, which I think these are the five that Delany is saying.
My take of the fallout:
Big Ten to 16: Adds ND, SU, Pitt, Rutgers, Missouri
ACC adds UConn (whoever may be left from the any of the 4 BE schools that the Big Ten doesn't invite go to the ACC, we know Syracuse is at the front of this line if the Big Ten doesn't extend an invite
SEC adds West Virginia
ACC could also look at South Florida
SEC could also look at Louisville
Pac-10 adds Utah and BYU, could also look at Boise State and Hawaii
Big 12 adds TCU, could also look at Colorado State
Big East splits football and basketball, Cincinnati and perhaps South Florida end up with no home, basketball-onlies keep an 8-team Big East conference.
By the way, rumor circulating around that SU (can't speak about others but I'd have to assume other schools we're not the only one) has already been in talks with the Big Ten and that an offer will include a provision that the new teams (I'd assume this would not pertain to ND) will get a smaller cut for the first 5 or 10 years of membership.
As someone below noted, they're not even in the AAU.
For fun, try asking an Ivy-educated citizen of the NE about UConn, UMass, et al. They're viewed as glorified community colleges by many in that region.
For what it's worth, Nebraska (an AAU member) would be bringing up the rear academically in the current Big 10. Their basketball program is historically bottom-of-the-heap. They bring only football (which is not what it once was) to the table.
And they bring possibly the least additional TV sets to the BTN of any team that has been mentioned this side of Kansas.
They have 1.7 million people in the entire state. If you assume every single person has a TV set (which is incredibly generous), the media markets of Syracuse, Albany, Rochester, and Buffalo are bigger in and of just themselves.
I am an Ivy-educated person(M undergrad, Columbia grad) who lives in the Northeast. I don't view Uconn as a glorified community college. In fact, it has a good (and growing) reputation (which, not coincidentally in my view, has developed on pace with their basketball programs). And per the US News 2010 college rankings, it actually comes in with a higher rating than a host of "AAU" schools, including B10 schools Indiana, MSU and Iowa.
In any event, that's all beside the point because anyone who thinks academics is in any way driving decisions about B10 expansion probably also thinks Michigan has a better chance than Alabama at landing a top football recruit who lists academics as a factor in his decision making.
The AAU angle gets way too much play in all these dicussions. I understand that it is written as a requirement, BUT at the end of the day all that is going to matter is dollars and cents.
Times change and so do rules.
Thanks -- I didn't realize that they'd climbed so high. My information is out-of-date. I agree that $ will have a strong influence on the decisions.
I still believe there's a strong bias against state schools among many Northeasterners. I've seen it up close too many times to think otherwise.
If they expand and get a team (or teams) that have established hockey programs, will there be a Big10 hockey conference? Has there been any posts/ diaries on this?
Wisky has been the main driver of this proposed Big 10 Hockey Conference. They were the ones to bring it up. They hate the travel and would prefer the rivalries with UM/MSU/OSU over anything they have in the WCHA (except Minnesota, of course).
From everything I hear, there is little chance of a B10 Hockey Conference because that would all but kill the Ferris/Western/BG/etc hockey programs if they were relegated to a second tier (MAC) hockey conference.
While I agree that a B10 Conference is not very likely, it isn't for the reason you state.
too bad uconn's hockey time is just terrible. joining the big10/ccha might help but they're still just awful. i forget they actually have a D-1 program most of the time because you'd expect a big school to have a good team (every other big 6ish school does)
I think I'm one of the few, but I agree 100%. Also, maybe this is the pansy-ass approach, but it will be tougher for us to win championships with so many teams in the running so I hope we limit it to 12.
That sounds cool. Hopefully they're a part of a package deal with:
Texas isn't going anywhere. They've said they're not, and there is zero chance the Texas state legislature lets them go and leave Texas A&M and Texas Tech behind. Zero-percent chance, I have no idea how everyone is missing this point. Look at what happened in the ACC expansion. Virginia was forced to change their vote by the governor and state legislature to bring in Virginia Tech to not leave them out in the cold.
Virginia Tech is going nowhere for the exact same reason. They will not be allowed to leave UVa behind.
I would want them for their basketball programs. It would change the face of women's basketball, if nothing else; it would suddenly make the Big Ten a major player. The men's team would strengthen the Big Ten for baskeball even more, too. As for football, they would be another nice team that wins a few and loses a few.
Sounds good to me.
basketball program is much more than above average. Maybe you're referring to last year's team specifically, but there aren't many programs that have been better over the last 10-15 years.
UConn is not part of the AAU. Therefore, not a candidate.
I have no idea how people are missing points like these.
We are talking about Colin Cowherd here.
People just don't like reality when it gets in the way of their fantasies. Which is why we get repeated spasms of those asserting that non-AAU teams, or Texas, or VaTech, are going to join the B10.
Cowherd likes to portray himself as smarter than the average sports radio jock, but if he was half as informed as he thinks he is he would realize that UConn is a non-starter since it's not an AAU member. But that would require a bit of knowledge about the Big Ten that goes beyond what are the best restaurants in Evanston and Madison.
He's a shock jock with a man crush on USC/Pete Carrol, When I have to listen to him (not my choice) he cannot go 15min without bring up USC.
Is it hard to join the AAU? What does membership entail?
I've heard it's very difficult, but don't have any clue about the process.
However, based on rankings, the current lowest rated Big Ten member according to US News and World Report is Indiana at #71 I believe. UConn would be second-to-last in the Big Ten if offered, Nebraska, Kansas, and Missouri would all be last.
Depending on divisions, it gives B10 Women's Basketball programs and athletic departments a great revenue (TV games!!!...B10 Network!) maker every year. I know this is probably 22nd or 45th of the list of importance, but it is a plus that none of the other schools have.
by itself a compelling reason for inclusion in the Big Ten. Perhaps it would draw a better women's recruiting class to some of the existing Big Ten programs... a little better results for the Directors Cup... but that seems like grasping at straws.
If there were other, better fits athletically and academically with U Conn I would be more encouraged.
Yeah, that's exactly why I said it was 22nd or 45th on the list of importance. I was just stating it is something that no one school can bring in the nation.
Not during football season.
As someone who currently resides in the New York market, adding UConn would increase the Big Ten's visibility in the area by a number only slightly larger than zero. Nobody pays any attention to UConn football here. This is a bogus rumor.
UConn is a pretty bad academic school to boot.
Not to mention that UConn would not have a single rival in the conference. (same goes for Nebraska or Kansas).
At least Pitt, SU, ND, Rutgers, and Missouri have rivalries with current conference members and other candidates.
Pitt w/ ND, SU, PSU
SU w/ PSU, Pitt, and an emerging one with ND
Missouri w/ Illinois
ND w/ pretty much everyone
Rutgers w/ SU and to a lesser extent Pitt, and could develop one with PSU
Those are the five. They're all AAU, they all have academics that fit, they all bring one thing or another financially to the conference. They all make sense (except RU in my opinion but I think they're in a group of five).
I'd prefer 12 teams as well, with ND the obvious choice. If not ND, then I'd be fine with either Pitt, Missouri, or Syracuse (probably in that order). If we went to 14, then any combination of the above would suffice. Sixteen teams just sounds like a nightmare to me. Of course, no matter what happens, football will still be football, and my main concern will continue to be the success of our program.
University endowments probably don't matter much when it comes to athletics, but if the university presidents are considering the academic side of the equation, they may look at endowments of the institutions supposedly in play, since size does matter when it comes to endowments at research institutions.
For the B10, the only university with an endowment under a billion is Iowa, which comes in at $935 million. Michigan and NW top the list at $6 b and $5.45 b, respectively.
ND: $4.8 b
Pitt: $1.88 b
Mizzou: $881 million
Syracuse: $674 million
Rutgers: $545 million
UConn: $254 million