This special is awesome. Anyone else watching on EPSN?
It's actually very good. It took me forever to figure out why 2 live crew was on it though. lol
I don't get EPSN.
has been pretty impressive. The 30 for 30 series is something ESPN should do more of. It'd be great to see one relating to Michigan.
Was an amazing movie. I hate that trade to this day. Gretzky going to LA was the worst trade in the history of sports. He would of won one more had he of stayed in Edmonton. But I agree I am enjoying this U movie. My dad remember's when Miami had the dream team back in the day.
The most interesting moment in King's Ransom was when Gretz revealed that he had been making his offseason home in LA for two years before the trade. I've always disliked his public image... I never bought for a second that he was this helpless son of Edmonton who was content to spend the rest of his life in northern Alberta. We'll never know the 100% behind the scenes true story, but I suspect Gretzky was a lot more vocal than anyone ever implies
The most interesting moment in Kings Ransom was when Gretz revealed that he had been making his offseason home in LA for two years before the trade. I've always disliked his public image... I never bought for a second that he was this helpless son of Edmonton who was content to spend the rest of his life in northern Alberta. We'll never know the 100% behind the scenes true story, but I suspect Gretzky was a lot more vocal than anyone ever implies
I watched the special last night and I couldn't help but think about the 30 for 30 special on the "Fab Five". That would be awesome, a two hour special might be hard though.
Talk about the Fab Five.
mgovideo I plead.
Great movie, but honestly Miami was a bunch of thugs and showboats despite their claims.
Funny, many people thought/think the same about a certain group of players who played basketball for Michigan...
Ben Cronin is definitely NOT a thug.
Maybe they could be right.
or at least partially right.
actaully had to make new rules in response to the outrageous unsportsmanlike conduct of the "U". It would be impossible to argue that they weren't good at football, but they also were an embarassment to civility.
you want a team of a bunch of thugs, but damn watching this makes me wish we had a couple guys on D who have similar mentalities of just wanting to punish the opposing team. Seems like it's been ages since anyone has feared coming to play Michigan in the Big House.
I have a feeling ray vinopal (chip on his shoulder), carvin johnson (chip on his shoulder), marvin robinson (straight beast), cullen christian (straight talent) will be early contributers because of their mentality. Complacency made us soft. We need take all this disrespect and throw it back in everyones faces.
the series has been amazing...
Without Bias was one of the best things I have ever watched on t.v.
I remember wanting to watch that but can't remember what it was about. A little help?
Not a Miami fan, obviously, but I love college football and this is a well directed, in-depth look into one of the most dominate teams of the 80s. Definitely one of the better 30 for 30 features.
I feel the exact same way. Fascinating. I'm looking forward to the fall of the U.
I actually think it sucks when Miami is bad. I always considered Miami to be like the Darth Vader of college football. College football needs a really good badguy. When they lose it's great but it's almost better to watch them win because they are such a great villain.
I guess there was never the idea to protect the ball from someone behind you.
On a side note, I was in Miami the night of this game. If you remember, Michigan beat Washington in the Rose Bowl that day (all hail Tyrone Wheatley). The next day I showed up at a business meeting where a complete stranger (and fan of the "U") proceeded to talk trash to me for being a Michigan fan. Fucking Moron.
Their fans can be the biggest p***ks. We had the same alumni bar as some of their fans, the day of the App. State game. As we were leaving, they were all getting in our faces, laughing, instigating.... Completely unprovoked.
... And no way those buffoons actually went to that rich kid school.
I vaguely remember all the crap they pulled and the ridiculous showboating they did.
But I have never forgotten how much I detest that program. When tuoos beat them for the MNC was the only time in my 45 years on this earth I have ever rooted for the buckeyes. That proved to me that I hate Miami more than any program.
When you think about it 58 straight home victories IS an incredible record. It's one that probably will never be broken with the parity in college football.
isn't Boise St very close? I may be completely wrong, so correct me if so
They lost to Boston College in their 2005 Bowl Game, which was played at their stadium. Only counting regular season games, I believe it is at 56.
with you about rooting for OSU in the 2002 MNC game. the starting center for miami was from the windsor area and he was a complete ass hole that ran his mouth way to much when he would come home for the summer. so during that game my friends and i openly roooted for OSU. the only other time i did this was during the 2006 fiesta bowl whenn OSU played ND. i loved it every time when hawk would plant quinn, and then ABC would show quinns sister in the stands wearing her stupid hawk/quinn jersey.
I DVR'ed it but ended up watching it while it was recording. Definitely one of the better documentaries I've seen in awhile.
I actually read a book on Miami's ascension to the top dating back from the late 70's when Lou Saban was the coach all the way through the 2002 season. This was a good refresher and well laid out.
Miami was one hell of a team back then, Soo many good players there. The fact that they had that impact on college football and had that us-against-the-world mentality just sticks out to me. Granted they did have a lot of off- and on-the-field "problems", I still have a lot of respect for them and seeing where they came from and making something out of themselves, for better or for worse, is a good thing.
Does anyone know where I can watch these 30 for 30 episodes/short films online? I've exhausted all the usual sources to no avial.
I cannot check since I'm at work but have you tried surfthechannel.com?
I really enjoyed this 30 for 30, but I am glad I didn't grow up in Miami rooting for them. Thank God for Glenn "Bo" Schembechler.
those miami teams were really incredible. i'm just glad the U was there, i'd hate to see what a lot of those guys would've been doing if not for football
A lot of them ended up doing the same shit they would have if not for Miami. The film glossed over the rapists, the rampant cocaine use and pretty much everything else that was going on at the time other than vague mentions of "criminal backgrounds" that were then dismissed because THEY WERE A TOOL OF THE WHITE MEDIA WHO WERE AFRAID OF THE BLACK MAN BECOMING TOO GOOD.
And then when they graduated, if there was no NFL career in the offing, their degrees were rendered virtually worthless because they were all enrolled in meaningless programs and never went to class anyway. They couldn't even skate on reputation because everyone in the world assumed that 1) Miami players were all thugs and 2) that Miami was a shitastic school that only existed to field a college football team. A great many former Canes ended up back on the streets.
Do you honestly think Michael Irvin would have made it if there hadn't been an NFL pot of gold at the end of his rainbow? Ray Lewis seem like a well adjusted person? Did you see how coked out Bernie Kosar looked?
that's the ENTIRE point of the movie. to show "The U" in a positive light and how they dominated college football from '84-'92. if you wanted to make a film about all of the negative stuff you could do that too.
and if you don't think race played a role in the white media hating the canes of that era, idk what to tell you.
That's fantastic, but it's not reality. The U did nothing to help those kids, aside from putting them on a football field. Off the field (and on it), they were allowed to do whatever the fuck they wanted. Ignoring all the negatives does not mean they didn't exist.
And did race make Miami players buy and sell coke? Did it make them rape people? Did it make them own guns? Did it make them do ridiculous things like dress up in fatigues and compare themselves to soldiers? Did it make them call their team a "gang"? They had the reputation they had because they earned it. The race card is total bullshit in this instance, unless you want me to believe that the white conspiracy concocted all of these things because they cared so much about Notre Dame winning a few more games.
Sorry, dude, but if you honestly think Miami was this haven where innocent street urchins where transformed into men of integrity and that the white media turned them into villains because they felt threatened... well, sorry bro. Must suck to be insane.
I think the truth lies somewhere between your point and MGoObes's.
Real sensitive. Asshole.
I'm not allowed to get into a frank discussion of racial issues with an African American poster? If I offended Obes or anyone else, I'm sorry. I certainly didn't see my comments as being racist, and on second thought I'm sure there was some racial slanting in the coverage at the time. But that doesn't make it right and all I wanted to see was someone besides Michael Irvin take some responsibility for what they did.
The part that I took issue with was the "the race card is total bullshit" comment. Sport in this country was not ready for a powerful team of mostly blacks, even in the 1980s and early 1990s. There were still a lot of biases at the time, and frankly, whites were still the dominant force in sports as entertainment. There were good black players before then, obviously, but those Miami teams were in your face more so than probably any other team. They were cocky, they knew it, and they didn't care.
So while they were a good football team, I definitely think there was a certain amount of "These guys are black AND THEY'RE SCARY WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!" Mainstream America did not accept the dynasty of Miami as much as it accepted the teams of, say, Notre Dame or Nebraska.
So the race card isn't bullshit. It's relevant to the story.
Kosar could barely speak. I kept waiting to hear,"It puts the lotion in the basket." Dude looked rough.
Stop the hate man. If you grew up in that neighborhood you would be doing the same shit. So get of your high horse and show some heart. Its people like you that think you are so much better for living a privileged upbringing. Just get over yourself.
"Stop the hate man. If you grew up in that neighborhood you would be doing the same shit."
a) You don't know that.
b) That doesn't excuse bad behavior.
I hate this argument that YOU WOULD DO IT, TOO, IF YOU WERE IN THAT SITUATION because that implies that people can't and won't overcome bad situations, which simply isn't true.
I'm not even sure how to respond... I'm not looking down on anyone. I just find it hypocritical to say "MIAMI SAVED THESE KIDS FROM THE LIVES OF CRIME THEY WERE BOUND TO FALL IN TO" when these kids were buying and selling drugs, illegally owning handguns, stealing car stereos, breaking tons of NCAA regulations, beating the shit out of people, a few were even rapists. The point of my argument is that they weren't helped, they were allowed to stay in the same culture of destruction that they were supposed to be escaping. And that is primarily Jimmy Johnson's fault.
You'll notice I threw Kosar in there. He's certainly not a disadvantaged inner city kid. Everyone was doing shit on those teams. It's sad.
Created by an alum of the U
They managed to gloss over the worst of the Miami's players actions, attribute any criticism of the program to WHITE RACISTS, painted the totally innocent university president as a racist because he wanted some institutional control, contradicted themselves on the money issue ("I need $200 for diapers" was followed up by a player talking about his teammates stealing stereos) and unintentionally painted Jimmy Johnson as a sociopath who would do anything to win.
The film was trying to show the other side of the Miami program, but in the end it made the school and it's image 100000 times more detestable.
Jimmy Johnson WAS a sociopath who would do anything to win.
No disagreement, but they were attempting to paint him as GOOD OLD JIMMY WHO COULD IDENTIFY WITH THESE INNER CITY KIDS AND STOOD UP TO THE EVIL RACIST PRESIDENT... and in the process made him look like the totally fake, maniacal, self absorbed douche he truly is.
Schnellenberger came off well, so did Erickson to a degree. But other than them, everyone involved with the program came off terribly.
you REALLY hate those miami teams huh?
No, I hated the way this documentary was made and hated it's slanted portrayal of the Miami teams. I'd have liked those teams a lot more if ANYONE on this documentary had owned up to what they did wrong instead of pretending it was everyone else's problem.
If you criticize Miami, you're a racist.
If you criticize them running up the score, you're jealous.
If you call them disrespectful of opponents, you don't get it.
Was Miami responsible for anything?
I think Randall Hill blaming everything and everyone else for actions at the Cotton Bowl sums this up.
It was Craig Erickson's fault for throwing me the ball!
It Texas's fault for not stopping me!
It was the designer of the Cotton Bowl's fault for building a tunnel!
Just don't blame me for not stopping to think about my actions!
a racism set-up
I grew up in Miami during those times and i can tell you that racial tensions were EXTREMELY high, because of the incidents raised by the documentary (shootings and beatings of Black men by White/Hispanic police officers). I was personally attacked in high school on numerous occasions because of what i represented (Latin background). In fact, high schools would be shut down and paddy wagons would show up to make arrests because of the ensuing riots that would instantaneously break out. The film presented the reality that was Miami in the 80s. As bad as you paint the issue i can tell you the the U brought people together from varying backgrounds like no other event could have ever done during that time and provided an outlet of release for many. Did we condone some of the behavior exhibited by Cane players on and off the field? No, of course not. But for those of us who lived it, it was the one shining period in a city that was engulfed in racial turmoil and a violent drug war.
And if we fast forward to present day, there is one thing that hasn't changed much. The U still primarily recruits locally and the kids coming out of Dade County and south florida have been well mannered compared to those from other states. So i am happy to see that the transition of providing opportunities to those of varying backgrounds continues to be a priority in South Florida and the kids that represent those communities seem to be nice young men (see the current Miami team where about 65% of its players are from Florida - the 2008 class alone had 23 FL players our of the 32 commits and 11 of the 19 commits from the 2009 class came from Fl, and 16 of the 24 verbals in the 2010 also come from FL - the majority of these Fl recruits hail from the South Florida region as defined by Schnellenberger back in the early 80s).
Currently, RR has made Florida a priority recruiting ground (Brandin Hawthorne and Vincent Smith from Pahokee, teammates Adrian Witty and Denard Robinson from Deerfield Beach, Brendan Gibbons from West Palm Beach, Jeremy Gallon from Apopka, Mike Jones from Orlando and Vladimir Emilien from Lauderhill, which is near Ft. Lauderdale) and I think - in the glimpses we have seen from some - these kids are turning out to be great for Michigan football.
That's cool. Like I said, I believed Schnellenberger had the best interests of these kids at heart and I believed he wanted to give them a real chance to make something of their lives. I'm glad so many kids got the chance and continue to.
What I didn't like was when Jimmy Johnson came in. It became very obvious to me, and anyone who ever listens to him, that his primary concern is winning and he couldn't give less of shit about his players lifes and educations. And it showed in the lack of discipline on and off the field. Erickson continues the trend, at least he had a vague commitment to attempting to reign people in... but nobody listened to him. The university president, rightly, was interested in changing the football team's image. I'm not sure if someone who cheered for the Canes can ever truly get how terrible their actions over the years really looked... there's a reason that people have called Miami a glorified community college for 20 years in spite of some really excellent programs, and it's largely the fault of the football team. But he was portrayed as this villain in the film, that's when I stopped taking it seriously.
I will not dispute the U did some good, but doing some good does not absolve you of the bad.
And I also love the series.
A few interesting things about "The U":
1. Michael Irvin saying something to the effect of "there was no conspiracy, racism, or whatever. We were bad (people)."
2. Really didn't become thug U until Jimmy Johnson came in. Schnellenburger had them behaving appropriately, and all his top cats were from the same areas as JJ's.
3. They kept using comments from Art Kehoe. Kehoe was the U's OL coach throughout all the head coaches, from Schnellenburger to Coker. He is widely regarded in coaching circles as one of the best OL guys in the nation. And I found it very interesting when he said that if Schnellenburger had stayed, they would've "won so many national championships it would've been staggering."
4. Schnellenburger basically lamenting his decision to leave the 'Canes.
also made a doc called "cocaine cowboys" that covers the late 70s and early 80s cocaine dealers in miami. the city was like the while west. literally, everyone murders, robs...
...did anyone notice that in one of the national polls they flashed Michigan was ranked No. 2 behind Miami? Not sure what year or what point in the season it was but it was cool to see.
If I recall correctly we beat one of the Kosar teams in Ann Arbor.
Hopefully we'll see things like that again soon.
Unfortunately it was all downhill from there.
Didn't BYU beat us that year on the way to a national championship?
Michigan finished 6-6 that year too.
It was probably my fault so thank you for that neg.
Besides Irvin's "we were bad boys" comment, I thought the best part was the fact that Randy Shannon used to pass out Luther Campbell's bounty money.
That's nuts about Randy Shannon handing out the 2 Live Crew cash, as he is supposed to run a pretty tight ship (anyone with inside info?). I guess people grow up.
I can't wait to see The U. I've DVR'd and will probably watch it next week. I once watched a bit of the 30 by 30 movie about the USFL at the gym. Holy shit was that interesting. I was completely captivated.
Btw, I'm currently reading The Blind Side. It's my first Michael Lewis book and I can't put it down.
"The Blind Side" is a great book. I learned a lot from it.
Read "Liars Poker" about his experience as a bond trader after college. Also, Moneyball was a fun read, as was his book about infamous bond trader Nick Leeson, who brought down Barings Bank.
i like at the end when one of the former "U" players aid that "miami is the greatest. the stats don't lie." oh ignorance is sweet bliss... yeah the u was good in the 80s, but greatest program ever? no way. and stats to prove it? not so much.
I just watched it on ESPN, and I have really enjoyed the whole series. I forgot how much I hate Miami and what a dirty program it was and still is. Yes, the teams were great, but I can't understand why anyone would be a fan of those thugs. I also forgot how much of a jackass Irvin is. He thinks the world revolves around him. One of the most overrated players to ever play the game.