Michigan will play UMass again in 2012. Story here.
I would assume it will be on either 9/15 or 9/29, but that part wasn't reported.
Michigan will play UMass again in 2012. Story here.
I would assume it will be on either 9/15 or 9/29, but that part wasn't reported.
Already play Bama and Air Force. Wasn't going to be a big name.
What I'm saying is the schedule is already tuff, they weren't going to schedule a big name. If you wanna little more cheese, your not going to get it from me. At least you can afford season tix.
UMass by itself is pretty lame, but our other OOC games are Alabama, Air Force (never an easy team to defend against), and Notre Dame. This game will be in between either AF and ND, or ND and Purdue on the road. It makes sense to put a relative breather in there.
Yeah, take away my fan card, but I'm not buying season tickets next year. Getting married and grad school are expensive enough as is. I dont want to pay a few hundred for essentially the MSU ticket.
The Big Ten really screwed up by having the Nebraska and OSU games be home in the same years. If they'd put the NU game on the road this year, we could have had a marquee November home game every year. Instead now we get two on odd-numbered years and none on even-numbered years. And since Nebraska will never go off our schedule, it'll never change. It's irritating.
Plus, Notre Dame and Alabama away :(. I'd actually like to buy a season "away-package", too bad they don't offer it.
I've learned to accept that we'll have a crappy nonconference home slate in years when we play ND in South Bend. That doesn't really bother me. But it gets me that the Big Ten had an opportunity to give us a balanced home schedule every year and blew it. How could the league office not figure out that it might be a bad idea to have NU and OSU be on the same home/away rotation?
These geniuses will probably put Wisconsin on the same rotation when they go back on our schedule.
Yeah, totally agree. It's just bad luck that those two away games ALSO landed on the year where we have alabama and Notre Dame away.
How much do student tickets cost these days? Are they the same cost for grad students as undergrad?
They're the same, but I'm having to rely on the sole income of my wife/meager stipend next year rather than the substantial income that can be acquired by begging from my parents.
I think the student tix are like 25 per game? Something like that.
It was $250 for the season this year.
Call me crazy, but $30 a pop is completely ridiculous for student tickets.
Most expensive in the Big 10. And PSU's the only school that's even close. TSIO is a relative bargain at $165 for the season.
OSU is $165 because it only includes games that occur when class is in session. So its $165 for 5 games.
Interesting. And what a rip off. Can students get the early season games (basically most of September) at face? Or are those just sold to the gen'l public?
They are available to students at like $35/game.
And the people at the gate have gotten way more militant about checking IDs. Two years ago if the picture looked at all like you, it was good. Now they are requesting second forms of ID and taking away borrowed MCards, which sucks.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but I'm sure a lot more went into it than what our maize goggles want to see. Without looking at how this effects every other schedule in the B1G, which it does, i'm sure the ripple effect of having to flip-flop a different game for said teams make this extremely difficult to do without pissing off too many people.
Well the only two teams it should affect is Nebraska and us. They don't have a big marquee game in conference, they haven't been here long enough. Even if the B1G came up with this schedule, it should be an easy call from DB to Osbourn saying, "hey can we switch it". Obvious disclaimer that I'm not saying that DB effed that up, but I don't think if we wanted one home and one away that it should have been a big issue.
Also, MSU is playing at Northwestern two years in a row in order to flip the schedule. Obviously this would be a bit easier to swallow with a team like Northwestern than with Nebraska, but the Big Ten has done it before.
My point was that nebraska would then have to flip another home game to an away game in order to accomodate this and keep the 4/4 balance of home and aways. Therefore NW, MSU, Iowa, OSU would have to come to them, and the cycle continues.
I would think we could still have worked something out. We're going to a 4/5 and 5/4 format in what, 2016? Even if we had to take a hit for a year, it seems worth it with the reality of our current scheduling situation, especially since we're stuck with this now.
Like I said, devils advocate, but we're only looking at it from our perspective. The easy answer is nebraska going to 3/5, which obviously isn't going to fly with them. I guess I'm just confident that someone on our side saw this coming when this was still in the planning phases, and the compromise had to be made. Call me naive!
has Boise State, Ohio, Nebraska, and Notre Dame all at home next I don't think they would have minded. All they have at home this year is us and Wisconsin.
to Nebraska will be in October next year, so the weekends of division aren't necessarily set in stone.
Next year we get Iowa the week before Ohio, for all we know that could be for the division championship.
When Penn St. rotates on in 2013, they will sit opposite Nebraska and Ohio. It is likely that Wisconsin will as well when they come on in 2015. And we'll see more of these two teams when we go to 9 games in 2017.
2011+2012: schedule not balanced. After that: likely pretty balanced.
They really should have broken that up for us. I hate the weak schedule in the even years.
Bama, Air Force, Oklahoma, Notre Dame would have been much cooler, but comments like this are getting a little rediculout. I get that as fans we want to see great football games against great opponents week in and week out. Who do you suggest we should have plugged in here so you didn't feel cheated out of your season tickets? Keep in mind that we'd probably have to agree to a home and home with anyone in a BCS conference, so you can kiss one of those tickets goodbye in the future.
Would you be happier if the UMass game were $5 cheaper and the MSU game $5 more expensive?
Roughly 109,000 people are going to be in the big house on 9/15 next year. To the best of my knowledge every one of those tickets was sold for atleast face value. Until you get all of those people to agree with you, my best suggestion is to just move on.
It doesn't have to be a marquee game, but someone to try and make it at least interesting to the fans would be nice.
Those are all BCS league teams and would probably not agree to a single game in Ann Arbor. Even UConn was able to insist on a home and home, and I think all the teams you listed except maybe Cincy and Baylor outdraw them.
Oh don't be silly... you know Brandon will have raised ticket prices by then! Come on now, more like $75 or $80.
In all seriousness, if you want to figure out Dave Brandon look no further than his work at Domino's. He knew how to market a product, how to create revenue streams, how to basically make his pizza profitable. What he didn't know about or care about was the quality of the product. Notice how just after he left was when they put together their "new" pizza. I honestly believe that Dave Brandon is a brilliant marketing and branding guy, he knows his product and his audience.
However, he could not care less about the fan experience as far as parking, marquee games, etc. He wants butts in the seats, and he knows that people will fill up the stadium whether it's Georgia, USC, or Baby Seal U. He will expand the student section to fill that up and create the illusion of more demand (a la Canham) and then put in more seats around the jumbotrons to fill the "demand". It's Brandon's job to make money, not to make fans happy- if fans still spend their money on tickets and Michigan gear, then he is doing his job.
He is doing what an Athletic Director is hired to do, unfortunately. According to his job description, that is. I don't really like it but then again I'm a fan, and yes, I still go to the games.
Dave Brandon actually was still the CEO when Dominoes switched their pizza recipe. IIRC, he was on the 1st commercial about it.
This isn't the commercial I was referencing but here's a look at DB's talents as a thespian.
Planning for that new pizza thing would had to have started long before Brandon left. Corporations don't just flip a switch and launch something major like that overnight.
He also brought us those new oven-baked sandwiches.
BOOM! What letter?
69 is exactly what we need...
I'm not proud of that.
of course you mean "you" and "someone else," right?
Assuming ErictheActor is Eric Bana, I said exactly what I meant.
Until there is a playoff of conference champions, a team is stupid to schedule more than one competitive game. Really, a Big Ten team should schedule four tomato cans because the conference schedule is enough to get an undefeated Big Ten team into the NC game.
The fact that Michigan has two very competitive games already in 2012 should make even the most selfish and arrogant fan happy.
the UMass game will be on 9/15, not 9/29. So we will have a bye between ND and the Big Ten season.
I'm okay with UMass, but I would've also been okay with even a more Baby Seal U. Next year's schedule is going to be brutal.
A non-conf of vs. Alabama, at ND, and Air Force is hard enough. We should have found another Delaware State and played them. There is no need for this game to be competitive at all.
At least they'll be Div 1 this time (Or Bowl Subdivision or whatever you call it now).
Why is this just coming out officially now? At the Western game this year, they were handing out those wallet-sized schedule cards, and it had next year's schedule on it also. That had UMass already scheduled...
Looking at mine right now. No UMass.
This makes me question all the more the decision to play a neutral site game against Alabama. It pretty much alienates season ticket holders. I would like to see Brandon never pull this type of shit again.
I'm not a big fan of that game either, but why does this make you question it all the more? This slot in the schedule was always guaranteed to be filled by a patsy.
I agree that slot was reserved for a patsy, as it should be. How can PSU get a home and home with Bama but we can't? Get Bama to play us at the Big House next year and go there the following year. Everyone wins.
They've already got Virginia Tech scheduled for 2013, and I believe it's the same date as our open date in 2013. Either way, SEC teams don't really need nor want to play more than one, if any, high profile/possible loss out of conference games per year.
LSU? I hate the SEC as much as the next good Big Ten fan, but I don't think you can accuse all of them of that crime.
Lol, you read my mind. Hence i threw in the ", if any," caveat. My point was simply that they don't need to go out and get these games. Kudos to LSU for doing it anyway, and coming out alive to boot! Guess we still have to see how that strategy plays out in the long run though.
PSU had to go home and home with Alabama (and Alabama took them because they're comfortable that they could beat them.
With this season opener thing, it's more of Jerry Jones paying us both an insane amount of money and assuring we get prime time ratings on our season opener. We actually make more off the deal than we would playing at home.
Nothing to question... It's a marquee game being played at a marquee setting. Prime time, and it will be the talk of the college football world for months leading up to the game. Recruits will hear all the talk, and see the hype regarding the game. It will bring a lot of positive pub to the program. Again, there is absolutely nothing to question.
I completely agree. I hate it when season ticket holders think more about what's good for them than what's good for the program. Our guys will get to play a likely top-5 opponent in the largest NFL stadium in the country. It will be the "it" game for the week that everyone will be talking about. I was psyched when this was scheduled and it dumbfounds me every time I hear someone bitching about it.
not really too surprising. It is what it is.
The schedule is overly juicy this season, and perhaps a bit underly juicy for 2012 in terms of home games. So over two seasons things are pretty even. Season tix holders have no reason to complain IMHO.
I will see you all in Big D next Labor Day weekend!
ever since they aligned nd with tsio for our home schedule. It also use to include PSU so we have had that 1 year - good, 1 year - eh not so much for quite a while.
Sorry ... little brother, Wisconsin and Iowa just do not make up a great home schedule.
I am going to bama game and msu game but I don't do wish we had a better name for a home game and not mass. even a school like bowling green or east Carolina would be better and not to threatening.
their running back look like barry sanders last year. but things have changed... thank god
hell is db thinking? Next year he better start renting out cots for these nothing home games. I dont mind 1 MAC team and a long distance team. I dont even mind Air Force but come on: UMASS and then App St the year after?
Im getting tired already. Maybe I will get 4 extra seats with the seat cushions and take a power nap during the game.
UMass will be in the MAC then.
Sorry for jumping the gun, I read an old article that said UMass was to fully join the MAC in 2013. The latest article said they'd be in in 2012.
Because nothing says "Mid-American" like Massachussets...
But it is more "Mid American" than Texas Christian is "Big East"
that doesnt help either. I like playing EMU, CMU, WMU and even Toledo. It gives those kids a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to play in the best stadium in the world. Even the band gets to get in free. I get it that it is about the experience for the opposing team too,
However, 1 MAC team is enough. I would settle for a Mountain West team or hell, how about Dorsey and GRCC?
Now if we could get the Acadamies to rotate each year, that would be better than UMASS and App St.
UMass is the only MAC team we're playing next year. The other non-cons are Alabama, ND, and Air Force. Air force is a Mountain West team. So you got your wish.
no reason to nap in the Big House for any game next year - Denard's last season.
hope he stays.
Seriously? This will be our only MAC team in 2012 and we'll have no 1-AA teams at all. That's not a bad schedule at all. This year we play two MAC teams. Last year we played one plus a 1-AA. What was everyone expecting?
dont know about you but when I cut a check for $2000, I expect to get some big-time games other than MSU.
I agree 100% with Brian. I would love to see a big-time school (like Tennessee on a home and home. UT would be a fun road trip as well),
If you don't like the product, then don't buy the tickets. Up to you. I'd gladly pay to watch Denard, Jordan Kovacs, Roundtree, Demens, etc. as seniors up against UMass.
Not a great home schedule, but he kind of had to. Alabama, at ND, at Nebraska, at OSU.
I'm ok with the umass game.
Well, big time home and homes get scheduled out years in advance. This was never going to be anything but a slot for a MAC snack.
With 'Bama and at ND next year we could very easily lose 2 non conference games. Its easier to deal with people complaining about a weak schedule than people complaining about losing games.
Guess giving up 37 last year was too embarassing. Need to schedule them again and give them a proper pounding this time. Will help Denard's stats for his Heisman run. Insures the backup QB gets to play during the non-conference schedule. Sheer genius.
Great another game where I have to beg people to buy my tickets at face value. I understand it has tobe a cupcake but why not a team that Michigan has not played before?
Pardon me for not having even the tiniest amount of sympathy that your beef with the game is that you can't make a profit scalping your tickets.
I dont care about making a profit. I only ask face value for those games and that's hard to get. I was able to sell the eastern tickets for face value, but I know alot of people sold their's for less.
why buy them in the first place?
I have been fortunate enough to attend enough Michigan games, that games against umass don't do anything for me. Gas, parking and misc. expenses outweigh the game. Sorry if that sounds arrogant but it is the truth.$140 for a pair of tickets to what usually amounts to a scrimmage is stupid.
If they have to schedule a game like this at least make it against a team that michigan has not played in awhile.
I also would have liked to see someone new, and I can understand not wanting to shell out for a game against UMass, but don't you make your money back when we play ND/MSU/OSU/Nebraska? Those tickets are worth way more and you get access to them at face value.
What you lose in UMass, you gain back in MSU.
I see your point.
umass will have a rough time next season given they'll be playing FBS teams week in and week out. They will struggle for awhile.
A little bit when I read that not as much as the App St. Announcement bur still...
It could be worse guys, we could be Wisconsin and just schedule 4 straight cupcakes.
I'd rather play someone like Harvard or Cornell. Hell, I'd even support breaking out the retro unis for a game against Harvard.
games against non-scholarship teams don't count towards bowl eligibility.
Your point being?
Are you sure about that? The service academies are non-scholarship, and the Ivy's are legit FCS schools, even if they don't do things like "actually play for their championship".
220.127.116.11.1 Exception—Football Championship Subdivision Opponent. [FBS] Each year, a Football Bowl Subdivision institution may count one victory against a Football Championship Subdivision opponent toward meeting the definition of a “deserving team,” provided the opponent has averaged 90 percent of the permissible maximum number of grants-in-aid per year in football during a rolling two-year period. (Adopted: 10/28/97 effective 8/1/98, Revised: 4/28/05, 12/15/06, 4/29/10 effective 8/1/10, 7/30/10)
non-scholarship teams clearly don't meet the 90% rule.
Thanks, it was an honest question. I do wish they would make an exception for the Ivy schools, because playing them would be much better than playing a random school like UMass, and they are fairly competitive, all things considered.
I agree. And considering the history we have in playing them, they would be a natural fit for our cupcake games.
First, last time we saw UMass they didn't seem like so much of a cupcake. Second, 2012 is going to be so brutal that I'm happy to have a game in which the starters might only have to play two or three quarters.
This is a historically good FCS program that is transitioning to FBS (the MAC) in 2012 -- they open the season at UConn, then play Indiana in Gillette Stadium. They also play at Vanderbilt, and now at Michigan. They have a full slate of FBS scholarships available for the current recruiting class. They will be bowl-eligible in 2013, when they play their first championship-eligible MAC schedule.
While I don't think they pose a serious threat to a Michigan team with a halfway decent defense, they can't be seen as a Baby Seal U.
Also -- they have a deal for games at Gillette Stadium through 2016 -- if the UConn date goes well in 2013 (from a Michigan-alumni fundraising standpoint), I don't think it's impossible that Michigan could play at Gillette Stadium. All of UMass's other deals for the 2012 season are Gillette home-and-homes (UConn, Indiana, and Vanderbilt), so it wouldn't surprise me if Brandon has promised to at least consider bringing Michigan alumni to the NE Patriots' luxury suites in, say, 2015 or so.
2012 home schedule is not good.
The road schedule is unholy.
Better than a MAC team. They love us from the last trip. They're band is great. Honestly, given the rest of our nonconference schedule next year, I don't mind it.
Isn't UMass joining the MAC for football in 2012?
Not lovin' this at all but I don't know what the alternatives are. I'm assuming most teams have their schedules for 2012 set already. I'd like to see a (semi) cupcake that we haven't played before but it is what it is. The home schedule next year is definitely on the lame side. Nevertheless I'll be there for all of them.
For as much as Dave Brandon talks about "value" and "paying for value..."
Does that mean he expects us to pay for value when it comes to tickets? Because, honestly, for $70 per seat, seat licenses (oh, sorry, not supposed to call 'em that...) for much of the stadium, hefty price tags for the suites and club seats, most everyone having to pay for parking, $4 bottles of water for what will be guaranteed to be a hot September game...
Is that expense worth a matchup with UMass? At what point does the price of the charm and mystique of Michigan Stadium reach its tipping point?
Not sure what the complaining is about...
Bama at a neutral site + ND away (not to mention Nebraska & OSU) = taking a bit of a sleeper on other non-conference games. It is what it is and it hurts for season ticket holders, but if we booked another big-time opponent, we could be staring at an ugly year 2 for Hoke that has more to do with scheduling than the quality of the team we field.
9-game conference schedules can't come quickly enough to readjust this home/away balance situation...
This should be an interesting test. Hopefully we won't give up 37 points again this time.
You mean those are scary? *pops nitro pill just thinking about UMass game*
Half the comments on the stream I was watching were "umassssssssssssssssssssssssss" or some variation on the number of s's. At least our new head coach didn't have to go down to the wire vs. Toledo at home.
Your new coach didn't but I heard you guys are no longer playing in Columbus. Since you can't get passed Toledo... Huk Huk.
So we can beat them by 40 like we should of the first time...Michigan will bring defense this time..I really hate playing these games..No upside for a win,but everything to lose if we were to lose..I do like playing bama to start the season ...(to be the best you have to beat the best)...Umass is a wasted game.....I guess all schools do it,but its hard to get pumped up for a game like Umass.........
When does Northern Michigan Polytech and Souther Michigan School for the Aged get on the schedule?
This is an awful lot of gnashing of teeth from a group that will probably show up to the game regardless.