Per Sam Webb's twitter
Except for when we see you in the Rose Bowl.
commence unmitigated/unwarranted despair
it could have been ND. I realize he would have transferred before he actually stepped on campus or pulled a signing day surprise because thats just waht Kelly does, i don't like him at USC... mostly because Lane Kiffin bothers me.
There are worse things in life.
I agree. I'm happy with our two current running backs for this class. It's a bummer we didn't get him but I think we already have two solid commits.
Not because of this, though.
That 98% of people will die at some point in their lives!
Wow, well that is one major, major bummer. Considering they're also going to get Justin Davis too, some people have all the luck.
Yeah som teams have all the luck. Like getting 5 OL in the ESPN 150 and a consensus 5-star QB. Some teams get 18 commits before June and lead the team rankings for every single recruiting service.
Yeah, we didn't get this one. But we have two 4-star RBs committed already, and an incredible OL for them to run behind. We'll be OK.
Also, let the record show that before the commitment (in the thread last night, among others) I stated that I thought Deveon Smith was better than Ty Isaac. Now I really hope he proves it.
Totally agree on Deveon Smith. He'll have a more productive career running behind Kalis, Dawson & co. than Isaac will have at USC.
I'm with WolvinLa2 on this, though it was Green that I thought better than Isaac. Either way, I get flashbacks of McGuffie when I see Isaac film - obviously a completely different kind of runner, but Isaac always seems to hit the off-tackle hole and suddenly be alone, which is unlikely to happen in college. Just as McGuffie relied on just outrunning (or hurdling) in his tape.
I guess now we can all stop caring when people spell his name wrong.
but they are winning. Unbelievable class.
For me, if a recruit is attracted to a guy like Lane Kiffin and a place like USC, they don't have the character to be a real Michigan man. May be a fantastic football player but not the kind of guy I want in our program.
That was my first thought. How does it end up between Kiffin and Hoke? I'd have to imagine it's a vastly different pitch.
I am disappointed, but why dis on USC. They are an excellent school academically, the weather is stellar and they have had tremendous recent success on the field, the last few years and their bowl-ban notwithstanding. They also have the capability of bringing in superb talent. Maybe the kid is just tired of midwest winters and would rather spend time walking around in shorts mid-January.
your are right but MidWest kids don't always pan out for usc=KLYE PRATER.
Really? I'm a huge UM fan and USC would be at the top of the list with UM and UT. Unbelievable girls, weather, football, and a great academic school. Who the head coach is is 1 factor. it says nothing about his character.
is not better than MICHIGAN when it comes to academics,really C'MON MAN!!!
*This* all over the place. Which I why I generally prefer professional sports over college - less pretense.
You should be like this.
I probably wanted Isaac more than anyone, but in the end, Id rather have guys that want to be Michigan Wolverines. I wish Ty the best, he will be a beast. But lets not count out the guys we have. They are going to be so hungry to prove everyone wrong and make us forgey about losing Isaac. I am a little bummed out, but Im happy with our current RBs. The Levenberry miss wasnt as bad either because of the depth we have there. Now, with that being said, If we miss out on Treadwell, that will warrant a mass panic. We need a stud WR. That is one position we cant afford to miss out on, imo.
This makes me a saaad panda.
I really expected him to go to UM, but it seems he just fell in love with USC more and more each time he ran out there. I think he's going to be a great player. Tough loss for UM, but still plenty of time to find another guy
Between Smith and Shallman, our class of RB's is already pretty solid. I'd say that this opens up a scholarship somewhere else. It would be nice to add more depth on defense.
I couldn't agree more with that... other than adding another WR where we are thin, I don't see the *need* for a 3rd RB with the RBs we currently have.
Plus, I've never felt that the statement "defense wins championships" was any truer than it is with Mattison as DC. Let's load up on D.
Load up on other top tier guys like Cravens and such. Or take Treadwell and LaRue. I'd rather have those two than one of them and Isaac. Nothing against Isaac, just my opinion.
is going play FB or DE.
According to whom, John?
250 pounds now,do you think he's going to lose weight? He could put on more weight once he gets into the weight room right? My point is he's not a HB,so will everybody stop saying we have two HB's please!
why he chose Michigan is because we recruited him as a HB. Not FB or DE like everyone else. .
might play HB his first year but after a year in the weight room he's gonna gain some weight period!
Same weight as Jerome Bettis. He's a power back. Very unconventional, but there is a reason Hoke wants him as HB.
He looks like he is going to be a great player. I like Smith a lot and think he will have a hell of a career running behind the O-line here at UM though, so I don't find this news all that bad. Good luck Isaac.
I find it hard to get too upset about recruiting at this juncture and with the type of class the staff has put together. We'll be just fine.
or Bama type of player, meaning a super elite skill type that so far, we just can't seem to land. Smith is more our kind of player, just a level down from the elite. As we continue to win, this could/will change, but for now I think this shows it's pretty hard for us at this stage to win these recruiting battles. The class is already great, so we'll be fine. But it sure would be nice to land one of these RB/WR 5* types once in awhiile.
It's way, way too early for this kind of statement. Hoke has been here for exactly one full recruiting cycle, and in that time, he has landed a 5-star QB and leads for a top-5 WR. I say we hold off on this for now.
year, I'm talking about the last many years, including Lloyd's last few. With LC we got as couple of these guys (I believe Mario was a 5*?) and were able to pull elite lineman, but not the super elite skill guys that we were fighting the USC's of the world for.
I'm not sure that's correct. In the latter half of Lloyd's tenure, we landed at least Ryan Mallet, Donovan Warren, and Chad Henne, all of whom were consensus 5-stars. Warren was from CA and had a USC offer. Mallett had offers from Alabama and Texas. Henne had an offer from Miami (which was as big a deal as a USC or Alabama offer back then).
It's true that against the Alabamas and the USCs of the world, we may lose more head-to-head recruiting battles for kids from outside the Midwest than we win. And yes, they'll probably be able to pull more kids from the Midwest than we'll be able to pull from the West Coast/Southeast. But it's not like we don't hold our own.
I agree that it is early, but we have had some frustrating recruiting misses for some skill guys over the years. At the risk of over-generalizing, it does seem that many top skill players (especially WRs and RBs) seem to love the limelight and the attention of their position. If getting attention is their goal, then SoCal might not be a bad choice. On the other hand, if they want to be part of a great team and a family, Michigan would be a better choice.
Shane will be a consensus 5-star when all is said and done. And if he wasn't such a Michigan lock, he would be getting plenty of attention from the USCs and the Alabamas of the world. Laquon Treadwell is a borderline 5-star with offers from USC and Alabama , and we look to be in pretty good shape for him.
Relax dude, we'll be fine.
I like our RB class even without him- but this is disapointing.
USC sure can pull in good RB's...
Good luck to Ty in the future.
That is the weird thing. 5* RBs line up to get a few reps here and there behind five or six other 5* RBs. Usually guys want a lot of playing time, but at USC they are content to take the risk of not playing much, if at all.
Of course after saying that I looked at their past few recruiting classes which had some 4* guys but not their usual stable of RB studs. Maybe Ty's timing is just right for PT.
this doesn't really upset me at all. RBs are a dime a dozen, and it seems like it is pretty easy to have an effective running game with decent backs and a great OL. With Smith already in the fold I think we are okay even if we don't take another back.
They've had a strong o-line and historically bad luck with running backs yet they always(?) manage a thousand yard rusher.
Chris Howard, Chris Floyd, Clarence Williams, and freshman Anthony Thomas. Pretty serious championship contending running back group there.
You just made the opposite point... The fact that there are 40+ 1000 yard rushers a year shows that you don't need an elite running back to have a great rushing attack. Who cares if the guy goes on to play in the NFL ultimately? As far as Michigan is concerned, it's about the team. It doesn't make a difference if it's 1000 yards Barry Sanders style with no line support, or if it's 1000 yards thanks to a massive Oline. It's the same number of yards and the same number of touchdowns.
Mike Hart, he never fumbled (except against Florida), never gave up, and was a Michigan Man.
The guy we don't have to bribe with a house to come to Michigan. Next question.
Uh, recruits care? Charles Woodson, Tom Brady... these are the names recruits know. I haven't seen quotes from any of them saying they want to come to UM to be the next Mike Hart. No matter how great we thought he was, he didn't really make a splash in the NFL.
an elite back is less important than an elite passing game. math dear watson, it's all math.
...guess we'd better go out and get some five-star wide receivers, then.
Behind our O line, I think any reasonable RB will excel. Personally I don't feel like RB is a critical position like it used to be. Great O line plus a great QB will open up lanes for the run game
i wont lie, my initial reaction was utter shock. i was sure that Michigan was his place. oh well.....
See the irony of having a "Hoke just handles recruiting" post now?
I suppose "losing" a highly touted recruit soon after that post provides some irony- but it seemed to be more about that actual process of recruiting than the quality of recruits (although that too is insanely high).
The staff seems to really connect to kids and be classy about recruiting which is what the post pointed out. Because a recruit went elsewhere doesn't mean anything about what we did. Maybe he likes nice weather, or the pop-culture/Hollywood scene for example. ,Michigan isn't for everybody, and its best players go where they will enjoy being- hope that USC can be that place for Ty (except for potential Rose Bowl clashes as others have pointed out).
True to most of that, but the emphasis of that post was Hoke's impressive record and feats in recruiting. Then it is immediately followed by a whiff on an elite prospect from the Midwest who like many others picks USC or Texas or any elite SEC school over Michigan. We can talk about Hoke's recruiting chomps all we want, but the fact of the matter is his success tends to be bred from the close ties these kids already have to the program. Rivals ran an article about why the elite recruits from the West have not been committing yet like the elite recruits from the South and Midwest. Mathis had an interesting quote about why so many kids committed to Michigan: "When I went to the Adidas camp in Detroit, those dudes had really been [following] their teams since they were a baby. That's like their family's teams. I understand why they committed. That's their school." Hoke seems to be doing well with these recruits and other Midwest recruits but losing out on the elite and national recruits. Here is an elite talent incredibly far away from USC and once again USC is swooping up and claiming him. Additionally, Hoke did take two RBs ahead of Isaac which definitely impacted his decision. That is a whole other debate as to the coaches having better eyes for talent than us and stars not being the end-all-be-all. Nonetheless, Smith clearly lacks the speed Isaac has and it sucks to lose out on that. I think His Dudeness is just commenting on the irony of us lauding Hoke's recruiting ability-which is great-but then losing another national recruit.
Unlike all those other Midwestern programs that just watch the Cali recruits flow down the pipeline and onto the field. You can maybe put Notre Dame down as a non-West Coast team that pulls a number of elite recruits from over there - I'd have to check. Who else does? This is a ridiculous standard you have.
That's not irony - it's just bad timing.
But more to the point, losing out on one recruit - or on many recruits - does not make one a bad recruiter. If you put together great recruiting classes, you handle recruiting. Barring some kind of signing day armageddon, Hoke's 2 for 2.
Additionally, His Dudeness-although a pessimist-was not saying that Hoke is a bad recruiter because clearly he can put together a class. It is just ironic and disheartening that we lose out on another national recruit who appears to be a dogfight recruit with another elite program. We haven't been able to lock down some of these national or elite recruits and it showed in the last class and it shows in this class. Obviously you aren't going to win every recruiting battle, but to ignore the losses by proclaiming we have great recruiting classes is shortsighted.
Just for context, His Dudeness makes an appearance every time that something mildly negative happens under Hoke to rub it in.
I wanted Isaac, too, but it's not a terrible thing to lose out on elite prospects. We aren't going to win all of these battles, and the more we're involved in, the more we'll win. If the coaching staff only targeted Michigan locks, we'd end up with really lousy classes.
Understand, that's why I called him a pessimist. And yes, clearly we are winning battles for kids who aren't Michigan locks, see Fox, LTT, Bosch etc. Just seems if we lack the horses to win some prime-time recruiting battles, and this existed before Hoke.
I'm just always here. The rest is just coincidence. As for this "rub in" I claimed that the Handles recruiting" post was stupid because that is what every coach does and people were all "Ohhh you suck because you think Hoke isn't the greatest mail sender in the world." It gets really old when people freak out about everything Hoke does. i understand you want your messiah, but the man had one good season and has a very nice class lined up that has yet to be signed. Oh and he got Brandon drunk enough to actually pay an assistant coach a reasonable salary. For that we thank him, but he hasn't done as much as some like to post every five minutes about. That's all I'm saying. As much as you hate me and think I am the anti-Hoke I went to Michigan, I love Michigan Football, I want Michigan to win at everything from football to womens water polo. I just hate when people stick their noses directly into peoples assholes and can't be objective. It's annoying. If we don't learn from history channel we are bound to repeat history channel.
Still doesn't make sense. Of course we lost out on some national recruits. We've also won some battles over elite, national recruits. So what's your point? Show me how 'you can see in the last class' where this recruiting weakness comes in - is it just that there were a couple of good players we didn't get? Saying that focusing on the overall recruiting class is like sticking your head in the sand is a very strange perspective.
We have two OT's in Lewan and Schofield. Kalis seems to be eventually headed to the G spot, but he will be starting out as a potential back-up to either OT spot. Braden, although physically might be ready, technically and mentally seems to need time to develop, and we do not know if Magnusson will be able to step in early. At OT, we lost out on Garnett, a potential G or OT, and Diamond. Additionally, we lost Stacey, putting a hole at the center position, which granted will be filled by Kugler. If Jack Miller isn't ready to go as a RS sophomore or gets hurt, then we are going to have to try and fit Kalis or someone else into C unless Kugler can play as a true freshman, which is just scary as hell. Would have been nice to have another option in a RS freshman Stacey there. In an class that needed 5, the coaches seem open to taking 6, offensive linemen, we lost out on two national prospects and a local prospect to a lesser team. Also, RB, beyond Dunn we couldn't gather interest from anyone even though we clearly had no starting RB until halfway through the season. These are the small holes that made our recruiting class fall out of the Top 5. Still a great class (4-7 depending on the site I believe), but a couple misses nonetheless.
What Hoke has done is atypical statistically. He still "handles" recruiting (I know you aren't contesting that). It seemed the "fit" culturally, depth, and..... competitively.... was USC. The only ones really saying geography was a factor was the Michigan and ND fan base. Isaac was going to have to fight to get game time in his frosh season at least - remember there is talent ahead of him. He'll get in frequently in his frosh year at USC. I am still very interested to see how he runs when he doesn't get an open lane with one cut to the endzone. Greene is a mauler, so is Smith and Shallman in this class. Win just as many games with 5 yard averages and a phenomenal passing game . Good luck to him, we will not get every person we want - that's not the way God made it.
Stupid palm trees, 80 degree weather, beaches, and Song Girls.
Damn you Lane Kiffin's hot wife!!!!!
Huge bummer, really didn't see this coming (despite the pessimism lately). Best of luck to him I guess
Michigan has a plethora of capable running backs. That just means we have 1 more available scholarship to focus on the D Line.
Best of luck to him. Still escapes me why anyone would want to play for kiffen, but to each his own i guess
Reggie Bush can probably explain it for you.
Didn't Reggie Bush play for Pete Carroll?
Yes, but Kiffin was the offensive coordinator at the time, and based on Kiffin's reputation, there isn't much of a reason to believe that the culture out there has changed any
I forgot he was in the NFL for a very short time. Thanks for learning me.
Actually there are numerous reasons to believe it has changed greatly. Kiffin himself has been Bill Bellichick in personality and media presence compared to his Tennessee run. The reason is you don't need to create hype around USC. It is the de facto pro team in the glitziest city in the country. If anything you look for ways to keep it more low-key
AD Pat Haden, Rhode's Scholar, with the personal motto that he doesn't want to ever do or say anything that that might embarass his mom, inherited Kiffin and had no reason to keep him. He came in with the mandate to clean things up after the Bush fiasco. He likes Kiffin and defended him strongly when he was found innocent of violating rules at Tennessee.
Kiffin has banned all the movie stars and celebs from practice which is now at 7 am. It's way different than when Pete was running things.
Kiffin has that wonder kid brat persona that people hate, and he is California cocky, but he's toned it way down.
USC is a great spot and Kiffin is an awesome recruiter. Plus he could dangle a shallow depth chart at this position. I don't blame Isaac at all. If you are second to school like this for a player like this, feather in your cap if you are Michigan.
You really have a boner for Kiffin, we get it, you like him alot..
explain how being second, is some sort of accomplishment? This is a Midwestern recruit, that had Michigan as his leader, and he ends up going to USC. Somehow, I don't see this as a "feather" in Michigan's cap... quite the opposite actually.
I thought Bush went straight from high school to pros, can't find any record of him playing at usc... next time do your research. /s
Think back to when you were 18 years old... Beautiful TAN girls in bikinis, warm weather, one of the top college football programs in the nation. If the guy has no strong ties or bond to a particular college, how can that not be tempting?
I can understand that part of it. Just have trouble wrapping my head around isaac describing kiffen as "Genuine"
Lane Kiffin is as genuine as the boobs on a L.A. porn movie shoot.
Apparently Kiffin is incredible when you sit down and talk to him one on one. Reputation only means so much if you are great in person, and thats what kiffin and saban and spurrier are, when you get into a room with them all those stories mean nothing because your personal experience with that coach made you feel comfortable with the school. I don't think it is really that crazy of a reaction, especially if you have enough confidence in your abilities to not be one of those guys that gets lost in the shuffle.
Why do I have to be 18? That all sounds great now.
Time to turn the heat up on Derrick Green. Best of luck to Isaac at USC except against Michigan.
as a representative of the Isaac or bust subsection of the fanbase. We want more DL.... for MANBALL. Shallman and Smith are more than capable of carrying the load.
Preseason top 5 and a top 10 recruiting class the first season back from probation. cleary the system works... /s
OSU had a top 5 recruiting class the year that they got probation.
The system works wonderfully.
I've said this before, but I think the lesson is that it's wildly valuable to be an historic powerhouse in college football. USC, Penn State, and OSU all have seen little/no drop-off in recruiting after major scandals, but I seriously doubt that the MSUs, Arizona States, and NC States of the world would have that kind of resilience.
If you really want to punish USC you'd have to move their campus out to Albuquerque, make them change their primary colors to orange and brown, and then prohibit attractive females from attending. Other than that, kids are always going to want to play for USC.
They have LANE KIFFIN as their coach and they still pull in just about anyone they want, clearly the coach just needs to babysit to have success there
get an immediate release to go whereever they want? Because now THERE'S some recruiting I could get behind.
following the recruitment of players who didn't grow up loving the maize and blue. That would be much easier on my cardiovascular system, I think. Commence scouring the state for the next in-state blue chip rb...
I understand it's a bit disappointing, but let's put it into context: We have Fitz for likely 2 more years, Rawls (who has been showing promise) for 3 more years, Smith (who looks like he could do some serious damage behind the incoming o-line class) for 4 or 5 more years, Shallman the same situation as Smith and Justice Hayes is there as well. We will be fine with the depth we have there for this season and have a chance to go get another top flight rb next recruiting class and be just fine. Let's not get too upset by this.
See my other comment. I'm not upset about missing an RB. I'd rather have DL. I'm upset that I keep closely following really high profie out of state guys in general. The recruitments of Kozan, Garnett, Levenberry, Diamond, Payton and Dunn were highly stressful. I'd rather stick to following guys like Malik and Morris... the cream of the crop from Michigan... high percentage "shots".
Life choice fail on Ty
I hope we clobber him and Lane Kiffin's goons in a Rose Bowl in the near future.
Big time disappointment. And it continues to be a mystery why we can't land a blue chipper at running back even with two incredible line classes in a row, a meh depth chart, and a coach committed to running the football.
But I'm not sure why it's a "mystery" to you. And by this I mean there's only been 2 Elite RB's we've gone after, Dunn and Issac. The one that I thought we had a chance at was Issac, so that makes one. Dunn was always an OSU lean so I don't think he even really qualifies. So I think saying it's a mystery is a bit grandiose, considering we have a sample size of two one of which I don't think we had a chance at anyway.
If this happens next year and the year after, I'll start to be concerned.
I guess I'm kind of rolling the last couple of years of the RichRod era into the losing streak as well. We ultimately lost Hart to a non-spread offense and I don't even remember being in on any studs for the '10 class. I'm kinda leaving Justice Hayes out of the mix since he is sort of a slot/RB/KR type who came in with an uncertain future. When was the last time that Michigan landed a guy who the Michigan nation was really excited about and thought could make an immediate impact? Kelly Baraka?
Kevin Grady. But yes, we have been losing out on RB after RB. Frustrating.
and agree. It'd be silly to say I wasn't bummed out too. But, something to consider is that a lot of these guys we've already gotten to commit, guys like LTT & J. Butt I remember reading about "how they weren't ready to make a decision" until this time or that time... but we roped them in even before they got to a 50/50 situation.
So while I'm in total agreement that some of these blue chip guys aren't seeming to go our way as of late, we're getting a bunch of guys early even before it gets to that point and thats huge, IMO.
He seems like a nice kid and I hope he does well @ USC - but this will make it even better when Pee Wee & Bolden hold him to 65 total yards in the Rose Bowl in a few years.
Mike Shaw. People forget he was a highly ranked RB. Just like Grady. And both were busts, which just goes to show you never know.
I take your point, though. It's been a long time since we reeled in that homerun RB or WR.
percent of that was because he was white. be honest with yourself.
I believe he was a 4 star but the 9 ranked all-purpose back in the class, to Rivals. That would put him around 18-22 RB in the class, which is still pretty good. Shaw was around there too. I think the idea with elite is a 5 star or near consensus 5 star-not that they all work out as Darrell Scott busted, Bryce Brown didn't come close to expectations (headcase), and Leseachne Trunk or whatever his name was hasn't done anything yet.
He wasn't very good anyway.
Can't imagine any scenario where someone would chose to go play under Lane Kiffin over Brady Hoke. He must be thinking "I'd really like to play for a selfish, egotistical, cheating, coach with no loyalty over a guy that lives the principles he preaches, puts his program first, is loyal beyond reason, is honest, and cares more about principles than results." Good decision Ty...but good luck to you none the less....seriously. Maybe it was the Cali weather.
You don't commit to a coach you commit to a program. I can tell you this the recruiting advantages built in at USC can be tough to overcome. The coach has less to do with a recruit choosing USC than you think.
Although I don't doubt that USC has those advantages, Kiffin's recruiting prowess is well documented. He might not be a great coach but he is a great recruiter. Makes USC tough to say no to.
Well.... more carries for Shallman and Smith
Rawls, Johnson, Hayes, Houma, et al have a pretty good head start on them. Do not count out Norfleet ohh and Fitz.
I'm often reminded of when people predict whether a baby is going to be a boy or a girl. Some people are like, "I KNEW it. I told you it would be a boy. Didn't I tell you? I told you." Yep, you did. You told me so, But it isn't like you guessed the name or the weight. You had a 50/50 shot, and you got it right.
It's like winning the "will the coin toss be heads or tails" prop bet at the Super Bowl. You can celebrate your win, but it's tough to brag about your awesome predicting abilities.
I get what your saying, but the current 50/50 streak of things not going UM's way does have a way of coloring people's reactions.
And it's mildly annoying. But I wasn't just thinking of this situation. See: Mike Farrell/EJ Levenberry
Really wanted this kid.
So what do our odds/timetable for Derrick Green look like?
Slim to none
And what would be their sources?
He spurned our Spring Game to go to theirs. That quote about Michigan being hard to turn down was made with about 5 other teams. Guys on the Scout boards saying we would have a lot of ground to make up for him because we went all out on Isaac. That will be very hard to do as he is many other team's #1 piriority at RB. Just a few reasons...
We have plenty of time to adapt to this decision. Wishing Ty some peace of mind and thank him for making his decision so soon.
I guess Derrick Green but there really isn't another RB.
Tat TN RB. Scout is leading the day with a "timely" article on him, and how the coaches are hard after him.
No more Ty Issac comments.
I move that we should only refer to him as Tom Issac from now on.
I've had this one written down as a loss for a long time now. He was 50/50 and wavering and since when has that gones UM's way in the past two years. The coaches do a great job with recruiting, but it seems like they can't fend off the late push.
Regardless, I still think between Smith, Shallman, Norfleet, and Johnson there's enough variety of talent in the backfield to have a good running game.
No panic here.
I guess it could be worse since I still love our class, we could've whiffed completely like this outstanding athlete...
He needs to be on roller skates when he does that, dressed like a dinosaur.
Considering the state of our class I'll file this under first world problems.
and have the rest of the year to fill that spot. This would have hurt much more if it was a hat game on Signing Day.
I'm not sure the kids committing have considered what the team will be like in a couple years once the scholarship reductions have started. Even if they get 15 "5/4 star" kids, a number of them won't pan out and they will not be deep at all. They will struggle.
Or maybe they are thinking of the scholarship reductions. They're thinking, "hey, as long as I can stay healthy, they'll have to put me on the field."
Many recruits choose between on-field success and favorable depth chart, simply because they teams built to win now already have solid depth. This could be Ty knowing USC didn't take a running back last year and won't be able to stock the position in this class or the next, so he'll likely need to beat out one guy for the job, whereas at Michigan he'd need to beat out two guys in his class alone.
Good luck Ty, one less kid to follow. Let's take Cravens, Mathis and Vanderdoes, and call it even.
We will all be feeling better when hopefully Treadwell and Poggi become part of 134!
way things are going we won't get either SIKE! Missing on E.J and TY hurts but this is MICHIGAN forgodsakes!!!
Thanks for the dong punch, back to work now.
choose UM. You and Ty were the only recruits I wished for on Christmas. I don't know of I can handle missing out on you both...
Those of you that be depressed by this watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm9FscTm94Q
A 4.19 40 time?
I give it eleven fakes out of five.
Wrong dude, dude.
Is that Axel?
Shit. I was really expecting him to go blue. Not much to add except disappointment.
I never thought he was coming here, even when the signs were supposedly so positive for us. He's not the first highly-sought-after 5-star guy that we've seen turn down Michigan, nor will he be the last.
Michigan ain't for everybody, and we'll be fine at RB with who we've got. Eventually, we'll have a Heisman winner at RB; the only question to me is when.
but I really wanted to see this guy blue. I could see some seriously long TD runs in his future behind our OL. FFFFFffffffffffuuuuuuuuuu...
+Kugler+Smith+Shallman > Isaac+USC
+1 for "out of the box" thinking
I was hoping that Ty would sign-up, but to be honest the longer he went without committing the less hopeful I became. What was the hold up? Very few scholarhips left (especially at his position), back-to-back stud OL classes, a top-5 QB, and a coach that wants to eventually get back to power running football.
At this point I would assume that the RB is class is full....don't take a 3rd RB unless a highly rated prospect becomes interested or available. Perhaps the "Ty Isaac of 2014" will say YES?
Coach Hoke still has put together one hell of a class and although you can't get everybody, I really hope that the next 5 or 6 "HELLO" posts are Treadwell, Poggi, Fuller, Mathis, and Vanderdoes.
If we get one of the last three I would be thrilled. If we don't get the first two then expect more sad recruiting threads.
to save you some frustration later.. the odds that any of the 3 of Fuller, Mathis, and Vanderdoes choose Michigan are remote. Have hope, but prepare for the worst.
As a fan all you can really do is hope tht the coaching staff recruits the best players and lands a fair amount of the targets that will have the biggest impact on the team 1, 2, or even 3 years down the road. I can honestly say that nothing really frustrates me when it comes to recruiting. The coaching staff offers usually about 100 scholarships per year and only hits on about 25% of them. With those averages, you have to expect a fair amount of misses each year.
The good news is I truely believe that Michigan is back to recruiting in the top-10 every year (depending on scholarship availability) and although that alone may not mean much, I feel that we have the coaches on staff to get them in a position to have "BIG TIME" success.
Truthfully I will be ecstatic if Michigan just lands Treadwell and Fuller as I think they are both expected to be game changers!
I think we have a better shot at him then the other 2!
I agree to an extent even tough I think Mathis could very well end up here. Vanderdoes, not so much.
Said it before and got marked as flamebait. I'll say it again, watch DeVeon's new highlight video. He's just as good as Ty, and it would be a waste to sign 3 running backs in one class when we have needs at other positions. I'd rather have an extra wide receiver or defensive lineman.
Disagree. Smith is going to be good, but he's going to spend his career getting dragged down from behind 20 yards downfield. Once Isaac gets past the LB's he's going to the house. He won't often be caught, and has the size to overpower the DBs that can.
Spending his career getting dragged down 20 yards down field, huh? Sounds good to me.
Isaac is a homerun hitter for sure, but he runs a lot higher and doesn't have the power that Smith has. In college, you don't have many runs where you're to the secondary untouched. For all the runs where you need to get the tough yardage (95%) of them, Deveon is better.
Sure, the times where you've got a long field ahead and a wide open hole, Isaac is better. But you're complaining about 20 yard runs? Damn, good problem to have.
Everyone likes to bring up Isaac's competition but no one mentions the fact that Smith plays against weak competition also. Might not be as easy to truck guys that aren't half your size. The point the poster was making is that Isaac has the size and speed to be an elite RB, a possible Heisman candidate. Smith has a ceiling that is probably All Big Ten 1st or 2nd team. As other posters bring up Hart, ya its great to have a good RB, but it is also great to have a talent like a McFadden, LaMichael James, or a Bush-minus the cheating. Isaac could not live up to his billing, but it is one thing to say hey we lost out on Isaac but we have a couple decent recruits in Smith and Shallman, and it is another to say that Smith is a better recruit. Isaac clearly has the higher ceiling and it is foolish to predict either will be better. It would be nice if Michigan could land some of these kids with ridiculous ceilings.
Please name the last, really successful (all american) upright 6'3" running back.
AP All Americans:
2011: Montee Ball, Lamichael James, Trent Richardson
2010: Kendall Hunter, Lamichael James
2009: Toby Gerhart (6'0"), Mark Ingram
2008: Shonn Greane, Javon Ringer
2007: Darren McFadden (closest at 6'2"), Kevin Smith
2006: Darren McFadden, Steve Slaton
2005: Reggie Bush, Jerome Harrison
2004: Adrian Peterson (6'1"), JJ Arrington
2003: Chris Perry, Darren Sproles
2002: Larry Johnson (6'1"), Willis McGahee
2001: Luke Staley, Travis Stephens
2000: Ladainian Tomlinson, Damien Anderson
Over the last decade, no RB over 6'2" was a 1st team AP All American. Only 4 were over 6'.
Is it an automatic disqualifier? Of course not. Is Isaac a great talent? Of course, great movement, great top-end speed.
Is it a given he'll succeed AT THIS POSITION (I think he may be a WR before all is said and done)? Nope
Good point. I thought Isaac was only 6'2. Was thinking McFadden primarily. I do not think it is a given he will succeed at the position, but my comment was in reference to Smith being better. Smith might have a better height for the position, but clearly lacks other traits that are prized at the position. There is no saying that Smith will succeed either (obviously will be succeeding at RB or not). Saying that Smith is/will be better is foolish (as is with all recruits). Isaac would seem to have a higher ceiling and that is something we have seemed to have been missing at RB for a while now.
No running back is ever going to get 20 yards a carry; but some backs' limit might be 20 yards per carry.
Ok, now time for unpopular opinion: Mike Hart's stats were not that good. His highest YPC was his freshman year at 5.2, which was good enough for 64th nationally. His soph and junior year, he averaged under 5 yards a carry. In modern day football thats just not very good. He ended up with all those yards because he was such a high usage player (hence the Mathlete's analysis about him adding a ton of wins). He couldn't break the big one, but he could always gain a few extra yards he had no business getting. But frankly, if we want the offense to take it to the elite level, we need players that can do both. Caveat: Hart's low YPC could be a result partially of the completely boring and un-original game planning by the OC.
Monte Ball is the ceiling for Smith, and if he ever reaches that ceiling I will be estatic, because that was an elite run game without a 'game breaking' RB. However, that will be tough to do. And frankly, having Ball (Smith), and Wheatley (Isaac) both in your backfield is just deadly.
That's really wonderful that you can research stats online, but it's ridiculous to say he wasn't an amazing college RB. He was running vehind subpar lines his entire career, and the small caveat you mention about the Debord offense is a huge, huge deal. Hart spent his entire career getting at least a couple of yards more per carry than his blocking really provided for him. But go ahead and pull the most basic statistic there is in order to judge his career.
So you're telling me that I shouldn't use single most used stat to measure and compare RB's as well as rush offenses? But you're right, I should use the 'well anybody else would have been worse' stat to show how awesome Hart was. And to say the line was subpar is ridiculous. Half his career he was running Debord'a favorite 'zone left' behind the best left tackle currently playing the in the NFL.
I understand what you're trying to say, and I'm not saying Hart wasn't a very good running back, but he was not elite. The difference is that Hart got dragged down from behind instead of taking it to the house. With that extra 0.2 faster 40, that doesn't happen. Maybe his YPC ave is 5.8 instead of 5.0, and maybe that results in a couple extra wins along the way.
My argument is that you shouldn't rely merely on stats, and you really shouldn't rely on one particularly simplistic stat. Nope, VORP that I can quickly look up on Wikipedia for Hart. But considering what he did with what was in front of him is, indeed, important in evaluating him.
And yeah, Jake Long was fantastic. Who else was on those lines again? Apart from Adam Stenavich, who was solid but unspectacular (and was only blocking for Hart for two years), the line was unquestionably subpar. No matter how great your left tackle is, he's only going to consistently block one defender per play. And oh yeah - you mentioned zone left - take a look at those rosters and see how many nimble-footed zone-blocking types catch your eye.
Looking at Hart's 5 ypc and concluding that he was not an elite player is faulty reasoning. If anything kept him from being elite it was injuries, IME. I stand by the argument that, if Hart really was fast enough to consistently outrun secondaries, he would have been Earl fucking Campbell.
Hart's lack of big play ability also didn't hurt too much, because Manningham and Edwards provided us with great big play threats and Henne had a really good deep ball. He was an ideal compliment to those guys. We don't have that same dynamic going with our current receivers. I don't think that we have any first team all Big Tenners on the roster right now or in the pipeline.
Hart was a 4.7 guy. You don't have to be a 4.3 dude to be a very successful RB. I read in the past year a poll of top pro and college coaches on attributes of a successful RB. Speed was at the bottom. Ball control, YAC, pass blocking all were rated higher. To follow your logic means that no tight-ends would ever break-away and score.
True, but a kid who can break tackles and take it to the house is better than a kid who can break tackles. Isaac has the size and ability to put on more weight. Add that to his speed and he could be a dangerous guy. Fast guys can still get 5 yards as they get there faster than the defensive players unlike bigger RB's. On the NFL, everyone is fast there and few RB's ever get the chance to take it to the house as the Defenses are so much faster and better than college. One of the reasons I find the NFL so boring is that it is about production and efficiency. Everyone is playing at near equal levels and it is about putting together a methodical drive that culiminates in a TD. Very structured. Like the randomness of college more. As such, speed is critical in college and still important in the NFL but everyone seems to have a more level playing field on the speed front. Also, TE's could be faster than Smith, and not many TE's do break away and score-unless you leave them wide open up the middle of the field.
I just think you're focusing way too much on the measurables. Isaac does not break tackles as well as Smith, but he's faster. I like the former better than the latter, especially with our offense.
...and Issac with his upright running style might be a magnet for concussions once he starts playing people that are as fast as he is.
Sounds like an argument that could have been made to start Carlos Brown over Mike Hart. Oh yeah, and Barry Sanders used to get run down from behind all of the time, too. I say wait and see how it plays out.
that kept getting dragged down 20yds down field. He wore defenses out with that. He was short, more quick than fast, and I think his number was 20. He also played about 4-5 years ago. For some reason I can't think of his name...
Not only him, but Chris Perry wasn't terribly fast either, and I doubt Anthony Thomas was outrunning most CBs. Point is, the first 5 yards are the important ones, everything past that is gravy.
Ty Isaac runs a 40 in 4.45 seconds, Deveon Smith lists a time of 4.5, I'll say 4.55-4.60. You're telling my that a .1-.15 difference will be the difference between one guy getting chased down EVERY time and the other breaking it EVERY time? Excuse me for thinking that's ridiculous. DeVeon isn't elite fast, neither is Isaac. I don't know where you guys get this idea that Isaac is SO much faster than Smith. He may be faster, but I bet he's not THAT much faster. It's not the difference between a legit 4.3 guy like Norfleet or Drake to a 4.55 guy in Smith. Isaac has good-great speed. Smith has good speed. Norfleet and Drake have ELITE speed.
Trust me, you guys are getting way over-worked about something that's not even a big deal. If we want someone to take it to the house, I'm sure Norfleet, Drake, Devin, or another recruit we sign next year, all the way through Isaac's career can get it done. It's not like anyone is counting on Smith breaking every run. You realize breaking one happens maybe once a game or so against a great team? I'd rather have Smith who can pound it more and take a beating better, than Isaac who MIGHT break one against a great team.
I personally doubt that Smith is even a 4.6 player. From his film, he can't outrun anybody (and plays in a lower division in Ohio). He seems slower than Hart who could still out run his poor competition he played in high-school. I'm just not seeing where our big plays are going to come from in the running game. The good news is that if we can land Treadwell, combined with Morris, we should be able to come up with big plays in the passing game.
If we have an OL that can make holes (which we will) and a passing game that can keep the defense honest (which we should) then any of our backs will be able to break big plays, Deveon Smith included. And not very big play needs to be an 80 yarder. A 30 yard run still does a ton for a drive, no matter where you are on the field.
only a junior he can get faster with the right training!
Rb will come. Michigan has depth there
Does there seem to be a pattern with the high-profile M vs. whomever one-on-one recruiting battles? Garnett, Levenberry, now Isaac, etc. Hoke is doing a good job certainly, but some of the losses are highly visible.
On the other hand, it's pretty amazing how Hoke is pulling in high profile guys like Kugler, Bosch, & Thomas without a one-on-one, hat pulling battle ever materializing.
it doesn't hurt us as much as the irish, they will see him for the next 4 years every season.
Odd that we lose almost every head to head recruiting war - Dunn, Isaac, Garnett, Pryor, Diamond, Levenberry, etc., etc. At tihs point MGoBlog should just trademark "[4-5 star] to [Other school]." Yet, if it's us against 4 other teams, we win....
Anyway, our offensive line is going to be better than USC's. We should still be able to get a four or five star RB to shine behind it.
This makes landing Treadwell that much more important. I really thought Isaac was going to pick Michigan.
With the offensive line we're building, Kevin Grady could rush for 1,200 yards.
Even so, he would also fumble 316 times.
on 250 carries.
Visits USC a second time and cancels a planned visit to UM a couple days after the USC visit. Best of luck to the kid and no hard feelings. I still think we landed a gem in Deveon Smith so that makes it hurt less. We will be fine without him.
Good luck at USC, Ty.
This is disappointing, but even though I don't have the experience of breaking down film/scouting/etc., I wondered about how long Isaac would be able to stay at RB. How many 6'3" running backs are there? How much higher would his center of gravity be if he grew another inch or two? His film shows him blowing by defenders, but getting knocked down on the first hit. I know the Domers were looking at him as a flex option.
For Michigan, does this mean we are done with recruiting RB? Do we start making a late play for Green?
I've never seen a double-post sandwich someone in the middle before.
my connection was running slow when I double clicked.
at least you didn't reply in the 1st one too so I could edit one
I think it's Green or no more running backs at this point. With two committed we don't really need another one, but we would take a top tier one, and I think Green fits the bill.
I don't think Hoke & Borges will lose any sleep over this. Sure, it would have been nice to have Ty, but they haven't put all their eggs in one basket. You win some and you lose some. The other thing is that I really do want people who want to be at Michigan. The fact that we are still in the mix for Poggi, Treadwell, Cravens, and Fuller, let alone a bunch of others, is a great thing.
We're the leader for literally only one of those recruits you mentioned.
I think we lead for Treadwell and Poggi.
I have been hearing that Bama is back out front as of now for Poggi
Obviously, we have a better shot at Treadwell and Poggi. However, the fact that Cravens and Fuller (and Mathis, and Vanderdoes, and LaRue, etc.) haven't ruled out Michigan is a great thing. If you have enough guys like them still considering Michigan, eventually, some of them end up coming to Ann Arbor. If we ended up with our current class, plus Treadwell and Poggi, plus a single one of the above five, plus a couple three more where we were in a position of need, wouldn't you be thrilled with the class?
nothing to see, double post.
As others have said we have gotten into the top couple for a handful of recruits. That is a victory. This staff has done a marvelous job and I'm going to try not to doubt them until such time as our classes consistently fail to meet expectations.
Disappointing but we will live.
Now I have to listen to friends tell me I shouldn't care because he's going to my other alma mater. Commence rage.
right?!?!? ughhh....oh well.
was any other position where we most a 5 star I thought we would get, I'd be more enraged lol. Very disappointed tho
is why I think Berkely Edwards will end up in Ann Arbor.
Well, this opens up a spot for a 4th WR, which I hope is the route the coaches take. One of Larue, Stringfellow, and Allen and then Treadwell would make a pretty decent WR class.
A lil bummed until I look at the rest of our class......the combo of our o-line and passing game with Shane will make any guy running the ball that much better!
The USC Trojans got a really great RB there. Best of luck to him.
Hopefully, he will come to his senses and change his mind before NSD. But if not, hopefully Coach Hoke has a plan B at running back. Michigan seems to be snake-bit when it comes to recruiting at RB in the last decade or more. Very few highly rated guys and the ones we did get either flamed out or played well below expectations. So when this thought comes to my mind, I think of Mike Hart and things are better.
ship has sailed, Coach Hoke will not save a spot for him.
This is a disappointment for sure. However, I don't think it's too surprising, nor will it be too damaging to Michigan's future. As I said in another post (and other poeple have echoed) RB's are the one position where you never really know. I think Ty is going to good. But, I think Michigan has some very good back, and is in on others, so we should collectively freak out.
In terms of the, "Michigan doesn't get blue chip RB's...rabble rabble..." meme, I wanted to share my opinion on the subject -- for what it's worth. Michigan, for all it's tradition, doesn't really have a tradition of putting out RB's that excel in the NFL. By contrast, a program like USC does. Until that changes -- and it might very soon -- Michigan is going to miss out on a lot of high profile RB's that aren't Michigan fans growing up. Michigan's hisorical ground game success is perceived, IMO, as the product of elite OL's, not elite backs.
You also have to take into consideration that Ty might want to run against the less punishing defenses of the Pac-12 rather than the historically run-tough defenses in the Big-10. If, as the pundits say, a RB has so many carries in him, it makes sense to take the path of least resistence, so to speak. Have no fear, Michigan will have get the RB's it needs to again compete for the NC, they just might not have the star-appeal that the fans covet so.
A little levity:
Jesus, is the world about to be hit by an asteroid?
Can anyone remember who Michigan's all-time leading rusher is? He must have been a ELITE FIVE-STAR HURR-HURR-HURR right? OK, here's a hint: he also holds the records for games with 100+, 150+ and 200+ yards.
Yeah, I can't remember either. 2007 was so long ago.
RBs are sooooo overrated!
Trent Richardson was a five star
He also averaged 5.0 yards per carry for his career. Which is not great. He just carried the ball a million times and was tough enough to not miss half his career because of it.
Okay, Sparty. This is Michigan fergodsakes. Aim higher.
I figured everyone here could use this.
Oh well. Guys who want to be here are the guys we want.
You can't spell suck with out usc
You can't spell "without."
so this is not much of a surprise to me. I would not be surprised if Treadwell also went elsewhere and we finish this year much like last year with some solid plan B type guys after missing on the late supers. Thankfully we loaded up early.
You meant to put /s....right? I really hope so because no matter how this class finishes...it is still going to be one of the best recruiting classes since they started rating classes and quite possibly the best ever (IMO).
For what it's worth, I felt Ty was gone as well, but Michigan only has about 5 or 6 spots left with at least a dozen or so highly rated guys left (Top 150 depending on your favorite site), which means we can only expect to hit on about 20-25% of our remaining targets and while that does not sound good.....you have to look at the class as a whole.
$$$$$$$$$ + snoop dog = u$c
With your profile being negative almost 10K points, are MGoBoard users obligated to "Flamebait" everything you have to say good or bad??
Why did my comment get deleted?
We have Smith and an elite offensive line as far as recruiting goes. We'll have no problem going back to the days of pounding MSU into submission with the running attack. And with how well things have gone, there's no reason we can't add Ohio State to that list as well.
Sometimes, a guy has to choose between an education or an education with a lot of illegal perks. Putting USC on probation really worked...
How old are you?????
We'll be fine. It would be nice to land another elite skill player, but the depth we have is more than sufficient to do what we need to do. More room for d-lineman imo.
1. Running back is the most overrated position on the football field. RB success is determined much more by the O-line than most people realize, although the notoriously well-informed MGoBoard will not be surprised to hear that. See this Mathlete post from a couple years ago about the value of returning starters.
No position on the field came close to running backs in terms of lack of value for returning starts.
There was literally no correlation from returning starts from running backs to on field success. No improvements in running game or total offensive output.
2. This is not even close to a position of need for UM:
Isaac would have been an unnecessary luxury.
168 responses so far.
This must be an important topic.
"why are we accepting a commit from Devon Smith when Ty is still out there?" were wrong. Because there are no guarantees. Imagine the rants if we had passed on Smith and he went someplace else because we were waiting on Isaac. You take the guys who you like who want to be here.
Mainly what I get from this is Roll Damn Tide's sources now officially suck.
Exactly! Always take the bird in hand. USC is, and has always been a magnet for 5* talent from around the nation -- even after their issues with the NCAA. Competing with the Trojans for an elite skill player seems to be a pretty futile endeavor, for ANY program in the country.
I am not saying that I could care less about Michigan missing out on Isaac, but I don't think it's worthy very much concern. The MOST important thing for Michigan going forward is make sure that Michigan is signing the lion's share of the top talent from MICHIGAN. I think what hurt Michigan more than anything over the last decade or so (along with the dried up Ohio pipeline) is the fact that MSU and other programs were getting the best that Michigan HS football had to offer.
Hoke & Co. are turning this issue around as well as re-opening the Ohio pipeline. If Isaac was from Michigan I would be more concerned. Everything is going to be fine. I am sure we'll be drooling over Issac in a few years as he shreds Pac-12 defenses, but them's the breaks.
i probably won't even remember the kid's name in a few years.
All this talk about running behind our awesome oline recruits is premature. Once we ESTABLISH that our oline is dominant, we will get elite rbs wanting to sign up. Until then it's all speculation. They will come, it's just gonna take 1 or 2 more recruiting cycles.
when a player flies 2500 miles from home for a second time and brings his mom, he will likely commit to that school.
I know there was once a time when he seemed like he may be in the bag (much like Levenberry) but I really can't believe how many people are this surprised by him not coming to Michigan.
It's all good. I hear we're a shoe in for bo scarborough.
You could be this guy-
Why doesn't he bite it as it enters his mouth?!?
...and then this happens-
Sorry for giving everyone nightmares.
concern isnt not going to M. its that they will be playing us alot in future years in the Rose bowl
guys need to chill out
this michigan ferfucksakes
rich rod left snake oil
When is one of these decisions going to go our way. Oh well, can't be that upset after reviewing our verbal commits thus far.
Best of luck Mr. Isaac.
It has gone our way 18 times already. No other school is even close. Ask MSU how they feel.
Losing out on Ty Isaac sucks...but what sort of position are we in with Thai Issac?
just give us treadwell
So this sucks but I'm glad most of our misses are at positions of no real need. If we miss on Treadwell, that would sting
Break a leg out there! Not literally, it is a saying.
Deveon is the 2015 Heisman winner
Let me preface my comments by saying this is an immature reaction since I'm bummed he didn't pick UM, but I hope Kiffin gets caught commiting more violations and Ty can watch us play in the Rose Bowl from his dorm room.
So yes, I'm being petty right now and don't wish him "good luck." Maybe tomorrow.
More flambait here--Who is Ty?
Flamebait ...I sack Newton
tally its 1:30 in the afternoon. shouldnt u wait a little bit to start hitting the bottle
I hear ya GoBlueLoveYou, but today is a special day.
The whole coaching staff should be fired! They can't recruit.
Tie I sack my nuts flamebait. I get so offended by neggin
Neg me all ya want. 2013 is a behemoth class of studs already. UM doesnt need him so get over it already people!
Really a bigger loss for ND coming in third for Ty - he went to a ND feeder school (Joliet Catholic) and they have to play him 3/4 times now.
When was the last time that we won a recruit in a one on one battle? We're deveon smith and gedeon?
We have an awesome class, when is the last time we can say that since pickledick Rodriguez took over? Last year? Yup! We are good to go.
I thought this one was wraped up!!!
Move on. We only talk about Michigan men. Ty is not
Mr. Green is no geek off the street. He's handy with the steele if you know what I mean.
Lane Kiffin will find a way to waste his talent
he's gonna love USC. Hell I wish I could have gone there
I'm surprised why you'd want to play on a team that will be shelled for the next 3 years and I think it was a mistake to play there nonhomerism aside, but good look to him.
He doesnt make or break this class!! The guys we got will be thankful for the beasts we have clearig out semi-sized holes for them. While our "3 stars"are accumulating 7-20 yards a carry, he can have his 4-5 per carry so he can start as a freshmen. Whatever.......HAIL TO THE VICTORS!!! FERGODSAKES!
All you goobers that have been negging me....ask Shane if he's the least bit concerned...bet he aint sweatin!! hahhahahah
F$$$ ! F@@@! F*** ! FXXX!
Did I forget any other languages!!???
How come no one has mentioned that we already have a great ol haul and that we will be just fine with Smith and shallman? We get it but it still stings to lose out on Ty.
but have you read any of the posts that came before? There are countless debates on who Smith compares too (Hart?) and which positon Shallman will play (RB, FB, DE?), as well as how even some of the people who post on this board 10 times a day could run for 1000 yards behind the OL coming in (that is to say they have some cloak of armor that prevents injury).
Some people are freaking out, but most are just disappointed. We will be fine. Go Blue.
We're all crying over losing Isaac and USC fans are clamoring for Justin Davis. Go figure.
We're all crying over losing Isaac and USC fans are clamoring for Justin Davis. Go figure.
We're all crying over losing Isaac and USC fans are clamoring for Justin Davis. Go figure.
His recruitment always had the feel that he was looking for something more from a school. I guess this is why Hoke has been sending out new offers the past couple weeks. The coaches get the same feeling about a recruit that every one else gets. I also have a feeling Isaac does not sign with USC come signing day.
All this means is that Su'a Cravens will have more opportunities to carry the rock when he steps on the field for Michigan.
Cravens is more of a safety than a RB... Per himself and most schools who've offered.
Looking at his film, Cravens looks too dangerous to be left on one side of the ball.
Oh well. I love Toussaint and we'll have him for 2 more years. By then one of our other recruits will be ready to take the reins.
I bet Thomas Rawls turns out to be a stud
I don't have any animosity toward Isaac. USC is a great school with great tradition. Also like many of you still feel great about our recruiting class which should be top 3 at worst IMO. The one thing I am not of fan of is that he signed up to play for a douche like Lane Kiffin. I can't stand that guy.
Im half kidding because USC's red and DARK yellow uniforms are the only ones I like anywhere near to my alma mater (Michigan).... but by gosh I wish we dump the lemon yellow that seems to have evolved over the years. USC's uniforms are perfect, and ours would be if the yellow was that of the maize of old.
What the hell are you talking about?
Colors I believe.
If we can run him like a PJ Hill and our back ups and Zach White (I think?) and whoever else they had toting the rock back in '09.
this sucks but plenty of other options in the end, and with our o-line, any rb can make a 1000 yds