Ty Isaac - brief update
I'd do it for your avatar alone.
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Great news. Thanks for the update.
If the coaches still believe he's as good as they thought a year ago, he was the #1 guy on their board. If he wants to come you take him. You explain to Harris and Weber and see what happens, and tell them there's only one spot left. You don't like them any less, you just had a guy come back to the fold.
If "we didn't take a RB in the last class" was a big part of the recruiting pitch for both, this would hurt. But if you take Isaac you have a 5* on the roster in September (I believe, haven't heard officially if he will be a hardship), vs. potentially none if you turn him away and lose out on Harris and Weber. So the plan makes sense - if you want to come, come now. Otherwise they won't let a courtship with Isaac get too public.
I'd take Isaac because if he wants to come we at least get one top flight back. And he's a somewhat proven commoddity at the college level. I think the odds of landing either Harris or Weber are slim, so take whoever wants to be here when the opportunity arrises. I'd still push for whatever 2015 back we can get though. Love 'em or hate 'em I'm a fan of Alabama's take all the backs you can approach.
I'm not sure how much value Isaac adds to Green, Smith, etc. We have limited scholarships and bigger needs at other positions.
Harris is nearly an Adrian Peterson type talent. Weber is solid too. I'm not big on football transfers.
I'm not saying I don't want him to play here, just saying...
I'm not big on guys who transfer for playing time purposes, but that doesn't appear to be the case with Isaac.
Here's my scouting report on Ty Isaac from before he chose USC:
It's not really either/or. Isaac might be eligible to play in 2014. So I would rather have him because he could play or at least compete with Green and Smith.
here bad enough, that he is willing to commit.
There is no guarantee on Weber or Harris. Some of the comments make it sound like we get to choose among all 3. You take whomever is interested in you from a generally like minded level of recruits ... Weber was ignored by UM for a long time and now we are back trying to get him due to Harris decommitting. Harris could be in Alabama in 12 months for all we know. If Isaac wants to come you take him - bird in hand. Or you could be left scrambling for some 3 star if Weber and Harris both go elsewhere.
Hoke has to at the very least entertain and see how serious Ty is about joining the team. Webber and Harris plan on announcing late, so if you pass on Ty, you risk coming up empty unless you have a great feeling that one or both are coming. If he wants in I say let him in.
I would take Harris over Isaac but not Webber.
I just don't want to get left at the altar with nothing. We've been burned lately waiting on certain prospects.
There is no sure thing that UM gets either one of those guys. If he wants to come, you have to take him. Also, I don't think Harris would be scared to compete with any back. If he is THAT good, he will beat them out.
With Smith and Green in the fold, he'll either have to be open to switching positions (WR possibly?) or redshirting to get a year's separation. If he's not up for either, I can't seem him coming to Michigan.
If he was really second on the depth chart, not sure playing time is really the issue here. He might actually be just trying to move closer to home.
That said, everybody wants to play and he'd be no exception. He'd have to sit a year anyway, yeah?
they grant him that hardship exception.
He would have some position flexibility and probably be good at many positions, but I think he wants to play RB and I don't blame him, still has pretty good upside there.
If his mom has fallen sick though, a redshirt may be a good option for him. Get him used to his new surroundings, school, playbook, and everything else, as well as gaining a year or separation. But I'm guessing he doesn't want to take that approach.
The redshirt is a given since he has to sit out a year due to transfer rules. So he'd enter 2015 as a redshirt sophomore and Green/Smith would be true juniors.
And I don't see anyway he switches positions. Its not like we're super deep at RB, and there's no guarantee Smith or Green will be any better or worse. Bring in all the RBs you can and let 'em sort it out on the field.
The scuttlebutt is no year off. Will play in 2014.
Why would he redshirt if he's better than Green or Smith (assuming he gets a waiver to play in 2014)?
Or he may be better than the both of them and start at RB.
Brian was right, no way does USC allow him to tranfer to ND
I feel kind of “meh” about the possibility of Isaac transferring in. It could be a positive I guess.
RB depth is a good thing to have, especially when you have good RBs but I feel that there are bigger issues to tackle with this roster then padding the RB depth. That’s why I would like the coaches taking a fly-by approach and getting the deal done if he’s interested or wishing him luck if he wanted to take his time.
I didn't watch the entire thing, but from what I did see it's easily the least impressive bunch of highlights of a 5-star that I've ever seen. He doesn't look particularly quick or powerful or fast, and frequently goes down at first contact. He just looks bigger than most of the guys he's playing against.
Granted, he's had a year of S&C at a major program, and he might be vastly more impressive now. For his sake I hope he is.
And I think they were looking at using him as a short yardage back at USC as well.
I don't think he has the footwork to be a great man-blocking type back, but as a one cut type RB, he gets up to speed quickly and has great burst and speed in a straight line. If he's stronger through the legs now, as his build implies, then he'll be tough to bring down if he gets to the second level pretty cleanly.
I thought coming out of high school that he may have more upside as a WR (better feet in space then in closed areas, great straight line speed, can cut one direction). He's grown a bit, so that may be an H-back/WR hybrid, but it seems he wants to stay at RB. He is athletic enough to be good at either though as long as he keeps working on churning the legs and sinking his hips through contact.
Found video of two TD runs against Cal (1:50 and 2:25)
37-yard touchdown run? Do not want.
I have always been partial to tall tailbacks (think Erik Dickerson) with good weight. He fits both of those.
The run at 2:25 would look very nice in Maize and Blue.
It would seem to just add more competition at tailback if he chose the Wolverines.
First TD run, not so impressive.
Second TD run, pretty damn impressive.
Wait guyz... I was told 18 months ago with the 2012/2013 OL hauls we could plug just about any old back in at RB and he'd be rushing for 1000 a year easy in 2015-2016. #MANBALL????
Because this was posted on the 247 board:
"Joshua Henschke [email protected] 19h
Ty Isaac has ZERO, ZERO, chance of coming to Michigan. So don’t get your hopes up about that one, not gonna happen."
So... I doubt it. The coaching staff seems to be invested Smith and Green regardless so I doubt they'll try to stir the pot. I'd be happy if transferred to the good guys, though.
I would take Sam Webb's opinion over anyone else's when it comes to michigan recruiting.
It also appears that maybe that tweet got deleted.(?)
Who is Joshua Henschke? Why should we believe him over Sam?
Exactly. After the whole Roll Damn Tide debacle we should question everyone.
Brady Hoke himself has more possibility of being wrong about recruiting than Sam Webb.
Shawn Crawford is visiting Norte dame this weekend, right?
As long as Shaun Crawford doesn't visit. That would be a real downer.
Supposedly visiting OSU late this month too...
Yeah, there's a lot of smoke here. I'd like to find out more, but it doesn't sound great.
Hasn't there been a new rumor about that once a month since he committed though? None of the rumored visits ever happened.
Am I confusing things, or isn't he going there for a track meet or something along those lines?
I hope he comes here and all. But I'd rather have people that wanted to be at Michigan from the get go.
Never can have too many 5 star RB's though.
I'm sure that OSU is kicking themselves over allowing that Spielman kid commit after wanting to go to Michigan. Same thing with us and Henson with FSU, as well as the myriad of other recruits that committed elsewhere then decided to rethink their decisions.
Why? Serious question. I'm genuinely curious why you care or think it's important at all which teams a kid was interested in playing for other than Michigan if that kid ends up a Wolverine. Skill or ability to contribute completely notwithstanding.
It's not like he's going to show up and be like, "Man this place isn't as cool as USC, think I'll dog it."
Big and fast. That said...he was not 2nd on USC depth chart. He was maybe #3 before Kiffin was fired and Buck Allen emerged out of nowhere. Tre Madden and Justin Davis were both ahead of him in addition to Allen.
wait.. if he was 2nd on the depth chart @ USC where will he be on our depth chart?
Bird in the hand I suppose, but I definitely like Harris better than Isaac just looking at HS film.
Please be redemption for the Fargas transfer.
Wasn't Fargas seriously injured and then jumped on the depth chart here? Didn't hugest moved to safety?
I don't think We are owed any redemption from USC for that.
I'm not sure why everyone is comparing Issac to Harris and Weber when we ought to be comparing him to Green and Smith. It seems likely Issac would get a hardship due to his mother's illness, which puts him a full two years ahead of the 2015 class. If the coaches think Issac is an upgrade over Green and Smith, they should try and get him. As has been drilled into our heads ad nauseam on this board, we need to show results in 2014 to keep the recruiting pipeline flowing. Passing on an RB that could help make 2014 a success to increase the chances of landing someone in 2015 makes no sense to me.
but we're probably just fine at RB without him. I wish a nice 5* G or C was looking to transfer to Michigan
If Isaac's wants to come , take him.
I still have serious doubt about Harris ending up at Michigan
Agreed. I have no knowledge of what goes on inside Harris' head, but I've just got a funny feeling that he's either going to the SEC or will burn us for OSU.
Isaac is too talented a back to not bring into the fold. If he wants in, you take him.
Can I have some of whatever the people on here are smoking that are suggesting that he would automatically be behind Smith or Green or that he would absolutely have to change positions? It's not like he's some chump coming in trying to make the team. This kid was #2 or #3 on USCs depth chart. There team is loaded at talent at the position. Adding a talent like Isaac to our team at a position where we're not exactly stacked with talent isn't a bad thing. Oh, and stop assuming that if we get Isaac now that it will blow our chances with Weber or Harris. We might not get either one anyway. Take the 5* running back from last year with a year of experience and weight training tyvm.
I would also like some of the "we are fine at RB" stuff too. People are out of their minds for even thinking about not wanting him at Michigan.
Hecklinski just followed Ty Isaac on twitter so yeah...this is a good sign.
And based on the tweet below and this Chicago Tribune article, it sounds like Isaac has interest in Michigan. There's also a chance that Notre Dame might still be able to get involved.
“Right now they [Notre Dame] are a team I can’t talk to,” said Isaac, a former five-star recruit who rushed for 236 yards and two touchdowns on 40 carries as a freshman. “That might change. (USC) might have missed the deadline to give restrictions. If they did I would consider it. … I definitely don’t want it to be a dragged-out process. I want to figure out where I’m going to be next year and get to work.”
Isaac said his mother’s phone was “blowing up” Wednesday while he traveled home from California, and he personally heard from Michigan and Illinois, among others, Thursday.
The Wolverines, who were in the picture originally, and the Illini fit his criteria.
“I wouldn’t say I have a top three, but I’m looking at Big Ten schools that are close to where I live,” Isaac said.
. @EDGYTIM: Ty Isaac told me there are no plans to visit Illinois this weekend. Illinois, Michigan, Northwestern will get consideration.
— Jeremy Werner (@WernerESPNCU) May 15, 2014
If memory serves, we did not take a RB in 2014 and he would certainly have been a top choice a year ago. That said, Hoke & Co. have invested a great deal in Green/Smith and i would hate to see anything taken from their development. I mean attention, not competition. The key is attitude. If Sir Isaac really wants to contribute, AT MICHIGAN, then let him convince Hoke of his desire to start over as a redshirt freshman and prove he is all in for this team. Otherwise, move along, there's nothing to see here.