I live on Hill...I'll be sure to lock up tonight.
Two Students Robbed at Gunpoint at Hill and Oxford
Yikes... That's exactly where I lived my first year at Michigan. Frat Row.
As an RA at Oxford, I'll be outside guarding my house with a baseball bat. Nobody's gettin my residents.
gun > bat
FYI, having gun at Oxford housing is probably illegal considering its affiliated with UM
As shocking as it may seem, many people possess guns under less-than-legal circumstances.
How are those guys still walking around after getting hit with a bat? I keep an aluminum bat in my car for just these kinds of occasions. I sure as hell hope that the countless hours in the batting cage in HS will ensure that one swing leaves the recipient on the ground!
shouldn't have gone in there regurgitatin' his Gordon Woods.
Also, apparentely you can get up after taking a bat to the head?
I lived at Hill and Oxford for 2 years. Still go visit younger guys there. Scary stuff...glad they're alive and able to give a statement. Get home safely everyone!
It's a rough neighborhood. Guys up there belonging to secret organizations, living in houses with odd symbols posted outside, speaking to each other in code, flashing secret signs and secret handshakes. Abusing substances like beer, and gin. Ritual initiations. Pledge pins. They have parties, where they invite the equivalent secret female organizations.
The University just sent out the alert. They took the girls' cell phones and cash....
It's amazing I read this on mgoblog 40 min before the UM alert was sent out.
Just about to post the same thing. If only MGoBlog was an on-air 24 hour news network
it pretty much already is.
Serious note - that is terrifying for those girls and telling for the state of the population right now. I know that there have always been crimes on campus, but it does seem that lately there have been a lot more stories of robberies and violent crimes on or around the campus. I used to volunteer for project SAFEwalk - which hopefully is still active. It doesn't prevent crime but it keeps students from having to walk anywhere alone. Anyone still in school should use it or volunteer.
Slightly lighter note - that is why I made a point to never have any money, cash or otherwise, while I was in school.
It's been the same thing near the campus I'm at in Texas. They've had 28 armed burglaries in the last month, all within a month of campus. It's totally unheard of for this area.
Starting with Thanksgiving weekend, a group of men started breaking into student housing in apartments around campus. Apparently it was so easy with students gone for the weekend, they started to try their luck during the day while kids are at classes and on weekends.
I work on campus over the break and I've already been alerted by the higher ups in the administration that they'll be stepping up security over break because of it. They talk it up as if I should be worried about just working in the dorm apartments over break, which really, is probably very true.
Graduated in 1972. I was robbed at gunpoint at Hill and Washtenaw during finals week Dec 1971. Took my wallet with mu "lucky $2 bill," but most importantly took my Rose Bowl Vouchers that I had just picked up earlier that day. Was able to get them re-issued. Unfortunately, college campuses have been easy pickins for years, and yes, there were guns back that many years ago!
I didn't think the two dollar bill was issued until 1976. I looked it up and found out that it was RE-issued in 1976 but had been issued prior to that until 1966. Learn something new every day.
If the first shot missed, couldn't you have rushed them whilst they were loading another musket ball?
I went to Eastern Michigan. If you think there are a lot of armed robberies on UM's campus, you should spend a week there. Hell, we had a murder in the dorms that got covered up by the administration!
On a lighter note, I volunteered for SAFEwalk also and it turned out to be an outstanding way to pick up girls! I was providing a service and ended up getting serviced myself. (Sorry, probably inappropriate but I couldn't resist.)
I lived at Hill and Oxford for my last 3 yrs at D Chi. The only time we ever saw and encountered trouble was in the Summer term when the Ypsi crowd swam up the road. I imagine the girls were prob in one of the 2 sororities.. Bummer
Do you know Kimball?
Ski masks? Quick, someone check to see if the Rock was painted green and white!
No offense, but I'm not believing ANY of this until TomVH confirms it.
After reading the e-mail I realized that I had been walking home from the ugli (S Forest, south of Hill) around that time. Definitely going to keep me up all night. Or maybe it's because I have this paper...
If you get held up at gunpoint, what do you do? Do you simply do as asked? Or do you look for an opportunity to run or go Postal on their a--es? With a wife and kid at home, I'm giving them everything they want and probably offering more valuables they may have missed.
With a wife and kid at home, I'm giving them everything they want
First things first: Hide your kid, hide your wife.
But beyond that, I've pretty much given up on the idea that, if confronted, I would be able to kick the crap out of my attackers. My options are down to "give them all of my stuff" and "run like a screaming little girl, possibly while crying."
Cause they robbing everybody out here.
I saw walker texas ranger once and he showed how to stop a robber who is holding a gun to you. Its simple really. You chop the inside of his wrist and the back of his hand simultaneously and the gun flies out of his hand every time. Then all you need to do is use some crazy cowboy karate to disable the attackers.
Used to think i could do that...now, cry and hand over everything while saying thank you.
I was robbed at gunpoint in AA in 1998, while delivering subs for Jimmy John's. It was a setup, we figured out later.
Guy called JJ's, ordered subs to apartments on north side of town. I went out on delivery about 2:15 am. Arrived at the door, note saying buzzer was broken, which was not surprising back then. The note said to use the back door, which I could see was open through the hallway. As I walked around the building, a guy with a ski mask (true story, bro) and a gun greeted me. I nearly shat myself. I didn't carry a wallet, thankfully, but a money clip. As he demanded the money, I slipped it out of the clip in my pocket so as not to give him my ATM card, credit card, license, etc.
After he grabbed the money off the ground (where he told me to put it), he demanded the sandwiches, which had been ordered specially (no mayo, plus italian dressing, etc.). In retrospect, that was pretty damn funny. "And the sandwiches, too!" He then told me to run and not look back. I've never sprinted that quick in my entire life.
Turned out, I should've never gone on that delivery since he didn't give a call back number, which the manager should have realized and not sent me out. (It was policy to not delivery without a phone number on an order.)
The AA Jimmy John's instituted a drop box after that event, as the thief got away with about $175 in tips from that evening. They never caught him, despite sending a team of dogs up there to look for him in the woods. I tried to deliver once a few weeks later, but was too freaked out.
I've since come to be thankful for the experience, as it helped me thwart an attempt to be robbed while I lived in Chicago. The guy said he had a gun, but I could tell he didn't, having seen one in that situation before. I'm more aware of my surroundings and also realize that this kind of thing can happen most anywhere, not just in "bad" neighborhoods. In fact, I've lived in a few, and these things tend not to happen there as often. But that's anecdotal.
All that said, it's not a fun experience and I was creeped out for a long time afterward.
in public I'm always giving the guys my wallet. I have a CCW but even if I'm carrying I'm not going to go for it. Also I never carry it when I go drinking, so odds are if I get mugged outside of a bar I won't have it on me anyway. Long story short there is nothing in my wallet taking a bullet over.
Plus in Ann Arbor with how crowded it is, start a gun fight and you might give some bystander injured. Human life, or even some time in the hospital to recover from a non lethal shot, isn't worth the shit in my wallet. I'd be out my beer money for the night, 10 bucks to get a replacement driver's license and about four bubble tea stamp cards.
The scary one is the home invasion style thing. If I get mugged on some Ann Arbor street I know the guy is likely to just take my money and run. He doesn't want to linger around due to the fact other people are likely moving around and he definitely doesn't want to pop off a shot due to the noise. Two guys come into my apartment though and the question is why are they there. They can lose the door and linger. So then i have to worry about if they're just there for my wallet and cellphone (and maybe the TV) or about ugly things like rape, etc. Some guy forces my door open when I'm sleeping in bed beside my fiancee and the country boy in me says "Get the .357 from the night stand and start drilling holes."
In public though, always just hand it over. You have good odds they're just going to take the money and bail.
the country boy in me says "Get the .357 from the night stand and start drilling holes."
I know the subject of this discussion is a very serious matter, and none of this should really be funny, but ... this made my morning.
+1 so you don't shoot me if I ever run into you on the street one day.
four bubble tea stamp cards.
The only good news is that he's not climbin' in your window rapin' everybody, because then, you even have to hide your husband.
You don't have to come and confess....Oh the sweet sounds of Antoinne Dodson
Livin in Mad Max times
I wish that the police in Ann Arbor were a little bit better at going after serious crimes such as this one, last year's arson, and the party shooting and a little bit worse at breaking up parties and ticketing adults for stepping foot on the sidewalk with a beer. Even if it has nothing to do with results it's just not sending the right message to residents.
Student's are REALLY starting to get pissed off with the AAPD. Going back to last year there's nearly 30 unsolved crimes invovling students in ann arbor. Half of them robbery of individual persons on the street, usually brandishing a knife. A student died from arson. Now guns are popping up all over (BoA armed robbery, State and Granger shooting, and now this). The area in which a lot of the robberies happen are usually along oakland and yet the AAPD refuese to patrol those areas. The City of Ann Arbor refuses to install lights in that area, although MSA has been lobbying for that since at least my freshman year (i'm a senior and I know this was an issue before my freshman year).
Yet the AAPD have now resorted to dressing in Michigan gear on weekends, pretending to be alumni, to bust people for either MIPs or BS public intoxes. The police will send several squads up and down packard, greenwood, and state on gameday to ticket the hell out of everyone. Yet on a school night it takes DPS three hours to send out an alert to the student body.
It's REALLY starting to feel like the AAPD just doesn't give a fuck about 1/3 of its population
Also those ATM muggings. They crop up every year a few times. Lone guy or a girl gets some money from an ATM, turns around and some big guys say "Give me your money". A couple of these happen every year and no one gets caught. I have to think AAPD has sone small, college age looking, non threatening female office on their force. Have her wander in plain clothes, go to an ATM with a bunch of other plain clothes officers in the vicinity and wait for them to try to mug her. Actually I know they have officers like they because they use to infiltrate student parties.
Like PackardChug said you see more AAPD action at football tailgates than you see on Saturday night when you have a bunch of drunken kids who are easy targets.
DPS actually gives a shit about students I've found, but they really only have the staffing to cover campus.
Now if the criminals are dumb enough to forget to feed the meter, well then, AAPD (or at least the meter maids) are going to swarm their asses.
There was this robbery, the home invasion with the shotguns, etc. Now I'm stuck constantly arguing with my fiancee about how she should not be out jogging alone at night. She's used to thinking of Ann Arbor as safe and refuses to admit times are changing.
Personally I kind of worry about AAPD's ability to actually do anything meaningful. It's Ann Arbor, relatively safe and for years the only thing they've seemed to excel at is raiding parties. They don't exactly have a lot of experience in dealing with this kind of thing. DPS as always has no suspects to quote the Daily Crime notes.
90% of the Daily Crime notes are along the lines of "Bologna sandwich missing. Police have no suspects." Sort of a joke. But yeah, AAPD does seem more concerned with shaking down citizens than tracking down criminals
- Accord homeless people something less than the full measure of human dignity
- Fuck with random people on little or no provocation
- Attend Rick's
1. I think you missed his point here. I think he was saying that the homeless were instigating the situation and had to fend them off, in which case its fair game and not a slight to the homeless' human dignity. Rarely does anyone outwardly start shit with the homeless - they are usually avoided all together (and to some extent, unfortunately so). I have had several bad situations with the homeless in AA, and I almost always give them leeway because I do have some pity for their situation.
2. I don't know you, but I guarantee you have done this once or twice.
3. Agreed, but I am so guitly of this.
Why should I respect people who are going around and trying to grift me out of my money?
I've had the following happen:
1. Guy asks me for some money so he can buy food. I offer to talk to a place of his choosing and pay for food. He refuses.
2. Guy asks me for some money for the bus. I offer him a bus token I have on me. He refuses, demands cash.
3. Guy asks me for some money because he and he his wife are stranded and can't pay the garage's repair bill. Says he only needs ten more bucks. I offer to go to the garage with him and cover the ten bucks. He refuses and walks off.
F that. A lot of the homeless out here are con men and also willing to commit crimes when they get a chance. Seeking into a house party and stealing a few items or checking for unlocked doors late at night. During my time in the student ghetto we heard our door handle get slowly turned to see if the door was locked or not at least twice a year. Some of the people here are homeless due to unfortunate circumstances, but sadly I find myself assuming the worst about them. When someone panhandles me I just keep walking. Don't look and don't break stride.
I had the exact same incidences with the homeless whilst a student. And I tend to agree that they live a life of deceit and mocked sympathy to gain money for other reasons than what they lead on - they have much deeper issues than not having a home.
I remember leaving Charlies once and man asked me for some money for food. I offered my UNTOUCHED pepperoni twists that I was taking home for a snack later. He refused by saying that he was a vegetarian and would like money instead. Um BS! I'm sorry, can't help you. Then he told me to Fuck Off and played the over-played race card on me. I let it slide because I did have some pity, but if he was a student, I would have kicked his dick into dirt.
I had the same exact theory and policy of giving people money. Fortunately for the two of them, though, they actually went into Jimmy John's and Pizza Hut w/ me for the food. I just got back from Afghanistan, and the most sly beggars I've ever met happened to be 5-yr-old Afghanis...
If you did know me, you would know that I have, and I'm a douchebag. QED
It was mostly autoerotic asphyxiation and Kraftwerk, respectively.
are about to get DRob'd on Jan 1st in the Gator Bowl.
lived there in the late 90s
hopefully the police will increase patrols in the area
this should be legal
Is Boubacar still in prison? Just sayin'.
This isn't funny at all. Not even a little bit.
I didn't realize Booboo was on the no joke list. You can joke about anybody that got as many chances as he did.
Only funny to joke about convicts who didn't wear the winged helmet, right?
My sister has been a drug addict for over fifteen years, in and out of jail, etc. I don't think it's funny to joke about anyone who obviously has major personal problems.
I see, totally respect your stance. I just get frustrated with the hypocrisy in athletic fan bases. For instance, everyone was falling all over themselves to give Chris Gallon a pass for high school thuggery just because he was a Michigan target, when they'd be all over it if he was a Florida commit.
who was held up at gunpoint in NYC. When the robbers said give me all your money, the guy simply said in response "It's 11:30pm have a good night" and just walked off. The two would be robbers were so confused by his calmness and his response they didn't know what to do and just let him go. This tactic is quite interesting because the muggers expect their prey to act like prey. When they don't it changes the whole dynamic of the situation.
If you think your going to be mugged start acting crazy...just start talking to yourself or act like you have tourettes..."f osu"..."f osu"...
Nobody wants to go down for murder, especially over a few bucks
Ski mask experts and all. If I were the AAPD I'd start by seeing whether the Michigan State football team has alibis for last night.
i am kind of sickened by all of the jokes on this post ...
crime has been a very serious issue this year for students and this is not to be laughed at ... this particular incident happened in a secluded area of campus to two greek girls walking home ... panhell (the female greek council) has been pushing a petition for better lighting in some of these areas around campus (the area of the incident and also down towards sigma kappa and then down hill) and i can not beg enough of aa residents (students and adults alike) to help in this effort to help protect all students ... it really is time we start taking our saftey seriously, i know personally my house along with many others is really trying to push members to never let girls walk home alone ... and thats my second plea to all, if you have a friend going home alone and you dont feel alright about it, call them a cab, pay the $5, it is worth it for their saftey and for your peace of mind
Those xenophobic assholes.
Maybe more lights isn't the solution:
Using lighting for safety's sake is only beneficial if you have someone to constantly watch whatever is being lit. Bad lighting enables an intruder who, as a mere street pedestrian, to come by and case out your property. Your own light clearly gives him information about your house. If you had no lights on, an intruder would need to use a flashlight, which is an action that immediately points himself out.
Remember that criminals need light too! Just because the lights are on, does not ensure that crime goes away. After all, what is the point of lighting an area, if there is no one around to stand guard watching the area concerned?
There are those that continue the believe that more lighting leads to more security and less crime. It is so often repeated in that it has almost become a mindless mantra of the lighting industry. If one extremizes this view, then one comes to the conclusion that times with the most amount of lighting must have the least amount of crime. Looking at the following consistent data from the FBI may then be viewed as a strong piece of evidence against that thinking.