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Turner's Future and how that relates to RR/Staff

I think of all of those that left our program for whatever reason (NFL, attitude, playing time, academic, team rules, etc.) Turner's departure should be the most telling.

If he transfers to another D1 and has a very successful career that is very telling.

If he transfers to another D1 and is mediocre-to-does nothing that would be very telling.

If he transfers to a non-D1 for football that is very telling.

If he never plays football again that also would be very telling.

I'm not sure how much affect this will have on RR's tenure at UM, his success in continuing to recruit Ohio, etc., as this fall's W/L record will decide most of that. However I think Turner's future will be very interesting with regard to RR and his staff and how they manage a program.

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” - Benjamin Franklin

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:30 PM | thank you for adding nothing (Score:1)
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thank you for adding nothing

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:32 PM | seriously (Score:1)
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i'm waiting for someone to give their opinion on what UM's record would have been if they had not lost Dorsey, Cissoko and JT panned out and Warren didn't go to the NFL, compounded only by if MSU DID play OSU this year and if Nebraska was included

and then argue about it for an hour when someone disagrees with the 9-4 prediction

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:38 PM | Bullshit (Score:1)
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10-3 at a minimum.

This has nothing to do with Michigan football.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:55 PM | No way! (Score:1)
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11-2 because OSU doesn't have Pryor and Stanzi is actually a mobile double threat qb

UM Fakes

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:43 PM | my bad, next time I'll fill (Score:1)
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my bad, next time I'll fill in the blanks for you.

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” - Benjamin Franklin

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:48 PM | I wouldn't say it added nothing. (Score:1)
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After all, we now know that no matter what happens, Turner leaving is very telling.

That's something. Isn't it?

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August 11th, 2010 at 3:10 PM | I always seem to make the (Score:1)
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I always seem to make the mistake of confusing MGoBlog's forums with a spot where Michigan football fans can have actual intellectual discussions on relevant topics. I forgot that there are "posters" like you on here that don't have the intellectual fortitude to actually add anything to these discussions. From now on I'll just lurk and read Brian's posts while you keep racking up those valuable MGoBlog points.

 

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” - Benjamin Franklin

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August 11th, 2010 at 3:15 PM | ahahahahahahaha (Score:1)
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ahahahahahahaha

i should probably stop posting on mgoblog when I'm drunk.

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August 11th, 2010 at 3:30 PM | Your definition of "discussion" (Score:1)
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is very telling.

No excuses. Play like a champion.

http://www.gundaymonday.com

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August 11th, 2010 at 3:47 PM | I am all for intellectual (Score:1)
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I am all for intellectual discussions. I just dont think we need to resort to the level of espn announcers/freep writers with speculation and opinions based on nothing and rumors.

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August 11th, 2010 at 4:31 PM | The board members... (Score:1)
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...are cranky today.  It happens. 

 

We got kicked in the nuts, you write a post that says, "hey, we just got kicked in the nuts, and I wonder what it means."

It means our nuts hurt, man, stop reminding us.

Do Something. If it works, do more of it. If it doesn't, do something else.

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August 11th, 2010 at 4:52 PM | Intell-what? (Score:1)
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I'll get back to you in a few minutes, after I ask someone with one of them fancy college degrees what you meant by that.  Meanwhile, YEE-HAH, got me another point!

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August 11th, 2010 at 4:53 PM | Dude (Score:1)
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obvs

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August 11th, 2010 at 4:43 PM | You've gotta be nearing the (Score:1)
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You've gotta be nearing the record for most pos-banged post in MGoHistory.

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:31 PM | Fixed it for you (Score:1)
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However I think Turner's future will be very interesting telling with regard to RR and his staff and how they manage a program.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:31 PM | I dont think the coaches are at fault here, (Score:1)
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you can only coach someone so much, they have to have the desire to play.

I need to go home and put water in Buck Nasty's Mom's dish

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:31 PM | Care to tell us what those (Score:1)
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Care to tell us what those telling things are, uh, telling us?

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:41 PM | Certainly. The following is (Score:1)
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Certainly. The following is my opinion of what his future would mean to RR and his staff.

If he transfers to another D1 and succeeds then there is something wrong with the way RR and his stafff manage the players and the program.

If he transfers to another D1 and basically does jack-shit then RR and his staff are doing something right.

If he transfers to a non-D1 it shows that he can't compete or doesn't have the desire to compete at the highest level of college football, and RR and his staff are doing something right.

If he never plays football again then he doens't love football enough to play at the highest level of college football, and RR and his staff couldn't do anything to change it.

Everyone has their opinion, but this would be mine.

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.” - Benjamin Franklin

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:49 PM | Or maybe... (Score:3 Normal)
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Michigan just wasn't the right fit for this one particular kid, for whatever reason.  There doesn't have to be a grand explanation for every single thing that happens.  For all we know, his departure could have nothing to do with football. 

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August 11th, 2010 at 4:55 PM | Hmmmm . . . . (Score:1)
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Isn't it telling that you think there's no grand explanation for every single thing that happens?

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:52 PM | I think you are painting with (Score:1)
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I think you are painting with too broad of a bush here.  Trying to read anything into how RR and his staff handle players based on one or two situations is probably not going to be useful or lead to any sort of meaningful conclusions.  I think we should leave that to the mainstream sports media, who are happy to sensationalize every tiny occurence.  In my mind, there are 80 or so counter examples to anything you would try to make of JTs success or failure where ever he lands.  Every program loses folks for various reasons, and that may or may not be a reflection on the coach and his unique relationship with that player.

I tend to believe that it is more interesting to talk about how his departure impacts the teams on-field performance than what it might mean about how Rich Rod handles his players. 

(edited slightly for clarity)

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August 11th, 2010 at 3:01 PM | much ado over nothing (Score:1)
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I think there's about a 90% chance the reason JT is leaving is because he doesn't like playing football very much.  At this point in his career, the coaches couldn't have had much to do with it.

He could also be homesick or not cut out for,  or doesn't have the heart for, being a student-athlete, with all of the demands involved.

Jesus! there's nothing to see here.

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August 11th, 2010 at 3:47 PM | Isn't he only a couple hours (Score:1)
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Isn't he only a couple hours away from home? Or did you just mean Ohio made him physically sick like it does all of us in Michigan?

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:32 PM | If we win lots next year, (Score:1)
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If we win lots next year, it's telling.  If we lose lots next year, that's also telling.   However, I predict that any win/loss combination can be telling, in and of itself!

I miss King of Belch.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:49 PM | Not just telling, but very (Score:1)
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Not just telling, but very telling.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:32 PM | You're "telling" me. (Score:1)
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You're "telling" me.

...confidence is the stain they can't wipe off...

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:32 PM | If we do well this year (Score:1)
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If we do well this year Turner will just be a random footnote in the history of UM football... regardless of what he does or does not accomplish on another team.

There are no corners in space.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:32 PM | Hmph.  I guess we're going to (Score:1)
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Hmph.  I guess we're going to be relegated to play underclassmen in the secondary for the rest of eternity with the secondary attrition that we're undergoing every year.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:37 PM | They could recruit (Score:1)
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like 12 more db's this year. That could possibly leave enough to make it through a couple years.

Wasting away in Ohio, a Wolverine in a sea of red and grey

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:34 PM | You know what else is very (Score:1)
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You know what else is very telling? However Michigan plays this year (wins a lot or doesn't win a lot) which will happen long before any of the things you listed for Turner, so I don't really care.

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:34 PM | I disagree, I  think that's (Score:1)
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I disagree, I  think that's too much referendum on the staff by a couple of players. Everyone responds to coaching differently and maybe these kids didn't like the approach. I'm only judging Rich by his wins and losses

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:36 PM | Time to lock down the board? (Score:1)
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"This sucks! We're done! No chance we can win now!"

"This is the best thing that could happen for the program! Now we can win championships!"

"This is the best way for us to tell if the coaches are doing a good job!"

If I had any self control I'd just work for the rest of the afternoon instead of reading this shit.

@pnbloem | Ultra-MGoBoard

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:43 PM | You have 18,000+ points.  I'm (Score:1)
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You have 18,000+ points.  I'm kind of surprised you've held onto a job.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:45 PM | I'm sure if he got fired he (Score:1)
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I'm sure if he got fired he could make a living selling MGoPoints

Not that I loved Rich Rod less, but that I loved Michigan more.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:47 PM | I'm either so incredibly (Score:1)
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I'm either so incredibly smart that I can get all my work done in half the time OR summer IT internships aren't always the most demanding jobs. Take your pick.

@pnbloem | Ultra-MGoBoard

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:53 PM | "I asked what you did for a living, (Score:1)
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and you said 'Computer School'"

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:53 PM | two things here (Score:1)
octal9
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Time to lock down the board?

Wait until the first "lose to a team we shouldn't have" game (there's almost always at least one a season). The board will be utter chaos.

If I had any self control I'd just work for the rest of the afternoon instead of reading this shit.

Cosine'd.

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August 11th, 2010 at 3:15 PM | There's no need to go on a (Score:1)
BraveWolverine730
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There's no need to go on a tangent. 

" I want to win Big 10 titles. Multiply. Consecutively. I just made that word up (multiply). I'm like that. I'm good at Scrabble."

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August 11th, 2010 at 3:49 PM | I would have (Score:1)
RayIsaac91
Joined: 06/25/2009
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I would have secanted the remark, not cosine'd.

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August 11th, 2010 at 3:51 PM | I hope this isn't a sine of (Score:1)
OysterMonkey
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I hope this isn't a sine of puns to come.

This has nothing to do with Michigan football.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:37 PM | Wins and Losses (Score:1)
Wolverine96
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Just Win Baby!  Do that and everything else with take care of itself.

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand alloys and compositions and things with... molecular structures. "

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:39 PM | Do... (Score:1)
MGoShoe
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...tell.

LSA '89 - MBB Natl Champions, Big 10/Rose Bowl Champions | @MGoShoe

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:42 PM | So basically, regardless of (Score:1)
ironman4579
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So basically, regardless of what happens with Turner, it's very telling.  And possibly interesting.  Got it, thanks for clearing that up.

Seriously, this season is going to decide (fuck I wanted to use "telling" there so bad) alot with regards to RR's future.  What Justin Turner does next year or the year after is meaningless. 

"They've roused the Fire Wyrm!"

-the 13th Warrior

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:43 PM | I have considered it for a couple of hours (Score:1)
ijohnb
Joined: 09/21/2009
MGoPoints: 2785

and I agree, this is very perplexing, and possibly very alarming news.  "Safety and Corner Hating Gods" was a clever but dismissive routine for a while, but seriously, what is going on here.  Starting with Morgan Trent's dismal 2008, Donovan Warren's disappointing 2009, the Cissoko debacle, Brandon Smith, JT Turner.  The bleeding has to stop at some point.  Why is this happening to Michigan's secondary?

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:54 PM | '05 (Score:1)
blueheron
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It started in '05, when the two CB recruits were 3-star Johnny Sears and 3-star 155# "athlete" Chris Richards.  It continued in '06 when zero (z-e-r-o) CBs were added.

Those weren't the only bad recent years.

"..."

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August 12th, 2010 at 3:18 AM | The only disappointing thing (Score:1)
RagingBean
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The only disappointing thing Warren did in 09 was leave early. I mean, yeah, that sucked tremendously for the team and was probably an awful career move to boot, but on the field he was lights out. He was 1st Team All-Big Ten and would have entered his senior year as a potential All-American.

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:45 PM | Hmmm... (Score:1)
Polisci
Joined: 06/30/2008
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Well in general, when one is conducting research that attempts to explain why something happened one should not fall into the trap of assuming that the result of some process tells us why it happened.  In other words, the result does not tell us why the result happened.  Assuming it does is a tautology. 

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:51 PM | Wouldn't it have been easier (Score:1)
ironman4579
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Wouldn't it have been easier to just say "correlation does not imply causation?" 

"They've roused the Fire Wyrm!"

-the 13th Warrior

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:48 PM | Wow... (Score:1)
Search4Meaning
Joined: 01/06/2010
MGoPoints: 2838

That was a very telling content.

Wolverine Nation Unite!

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August 11th, 2010 at 2:51 PM | Can't we all just agree (Score:1)
BiSB
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That this is the situation with the Zen master and the little boy?

They no longer call me Bisbiño

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