so much for those redactions:
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
so much for those redactions:
Cicero said when he asked Tressel to keep the e-mails confidential, he meant that he would not go to the media or the public, not that Tressel couldn't inform the school or launch his own investigation.
Because that's an enormous piece of this story
I'd almost change the thread title and include that quote in the OP
EDIT: I guess now that I've replied you can't put in quotes. Derp
I haven't yet figured out how to do the yellow box for quotes. I tried though. Any guidance would be appreciated.
just hit the quote marker in the box above the area where you type.
I don't see the quote marker:
i'm sorry, i think it may only appear when you create a forum topic. not sure how to get it into a reply. anyone else?
your OP then?
Gibberish to be in quotes
It worked. Thanks! The yellow box always sets things off nicely.
<blockquote> text to be quoted </blockquote>
EDIT: Beat me to it
It seems like that should have been the first qustion Tressel should have asked, "What do you mean by confidential?" Unless you don't want to proceed and figure you could use that as an excuse. There is absolutely no way that Tressel didn't know exactly what he was doing.
He shouldn't have to ask that question. At the end of the day, at most, the request to keep the information confidential amounts to just that: a request by this emailer who happens to be an attorney to not tell other people.
This request must be weighed against his personal relationships with his players, his contractual obligations to his school, and his provisional responsibilities to the NCAA.
While an attorney may have an ethical duty of confidentiality under certain circumstances, an attorney's request to a football coach to keep something he's learned confidential does not generate any legal, ethical, or otherwise cognizable obligation that I'm aware of (attorney speaking) beyond simply complying with the request of a friend.
And if Tressel sincerely couldn't navigate the waters between not jeopardizing the federal investigation for unrelated drug trafficking while still fulfilling his obligations to his players, school and the NCAA, then I've been giving him far too much credit for too many years.
It wasn't the first thing Tressel asked because Cicero didn't ask for confidentiality in the first email. That's why Tressel's story is obviously BS.
There are major problems with Tressel's story even if you set aside this obvious one. Tressel's story (which OSU has swallowed hook, line and sinker) is that he didn't forward the emails to OSU's administration and legal team because he was concerned about preserving the confidentiality of an ongoing federal criminal investigation. This was supposedly Tressel's only motivation. Never mind that the emails did not come from a federal prosecutor or, in the case of the first one, even a guy who identified himself as an attorney.
At any rate, even if you accept the notion that Tressel viewed Cicero's emails as a confidential request from a lawyer (as opposed to a helpful fan who happened to be a lawyer), Tressel's alleged motivation is obviously BS because:
Tressel's story stinks to high heaven and anyone with a brain knows it. Michigan fired Steve Fisher because he lied about initializing some documents giving Ed Martin free tickets. Fisher's story didn't pass the smell test, and when UM caught him in a lie, even a minor one, they fired him. OSU is choosing to believe Tressel's BS story--and for that they should fry.
Where's the Redneck Rocker through all of this? Surely he's emptily threatened to kick someone's ass by now?
tOSU. Classy fans.
doesn't exactly fill me with confidence that OSU will be dealt what they deserve by the NCAA.
Those god damn cheaters.
Hey, at least if the storm of media and opinion about NCAA impotence keeps up, we may actually see something happen.
"The NCAA is no longer interested in integrity – just the image of it."
They can't maintain the image if they don't run him down. I agree they likely didn't want to - the Yahoo story may have interrupted an elaborate set of alibi/subterfuge creation - but now they have no choice. Too much is out
What a surprise. All the more reason to not investigate or sit the players. They would have been fucked. As much as we like to rip on Pryor, he's still a good QB, and they had little QB depth last year.
... Is this Cicero guy also the Yahoo source? I don't recall seeing that anywhere. If he is not, then that would mean somebody else had knowledge of this, as well, right? My timeline is all messed up.
Rumored to be in OSU athletic dept
...wouldn't that mean that Tressel did share the emails with others? Or did the source become privy to this information as research continued more recently. The most recent time Tressel lied about having knowledge, did other people in the AD know? Or, did he lie, more investigation occur, then he admitted the truth (or at least the part of the truth we now know).
Just trying to figure out how much the AD knew and when.
Am I missing something?
Cicero did what I would expect anyone with this type of information would do. He emailed the head coach to give him a heads up. I could understand the death threats if he went directly to Yahoo and failed to tip off the coach or AD.
Of course, I might be thinking this too much....which is clearly NOT what they do at Ohio State.
Glad he didn't do that, then Tressel wouldn't have had anything to knowingly cover up!
This entire discussion of confidentiality by Tressel is a red herring. The initial email said nothing about confidentiality. He had an obligation to act on that information and did nothing. The second email asked him to treat the synopsis of the interview with Rife confidential: "I had Eddie Rife in my office for an hour and a half last night. What I tell you is confidential." It said nothing along the lines of "you can't tell anyone that something is going on with these players." Not to mention that, while there is a basis for attorney/client confidentiality, and source/reporter confidentiality, there is no legal basis for former jock/coach confidentiality, and Tressel's contractual obligations cannot be rendered ineffective by some tipster saying "this is confidential." Finally, if you expect confidentiality, you get the pledge before you divulge the information.