Which was a greater blown call? I think that the ball going off of Maymon was a greater missed call because they reviewed it and still missed it.
Trey Burke's block of Siva or the ball going off of Maymon's hands?
But i agree because they reviewed it over and over. Bad calls on both sides. Go Blue
Trey's block. This is easy. That one might have fucked us out of a national title.
Exactly. Results-based grudges. I think most of us will forget and let go of the OOB call by tomorrow but the Trey block will stick in the fan base's collective craw for a while.
officials again for the tourney. A horrible call would have been a jump ball; giving it to UT was criminal as you noted.
they also fucked UK on a review late in their game. unreal. FIRE THEMMMM.
At the end of the game it was an identical play that went under review and awarded to TN with the reasoning that the player's fingers going the direction if the ball had to push it that direction. IA lost a crucial late game possession. The Maymon call does not pass this or visual video evidence.
That one hurt us more because we lost but it was a bang-bang play and one that's understandable to miss frankly.
The Maymon call was reviewed. The watched it in slo mo on a TV like 5-10 times and still got it wrong! That one is by far the worse call and it's not close.
As a blown call, probably today's call (because they had replay) but the Burke's block had a much bigger impact. Our team still got the win today even with the blown call, while UM got a transition opurtunity taken away from them and Louisville got 2 points of that call. 4 point swing in a game that was lost by 6.
The only reason there's a question is because the Burke block blown call had a bigger negative impact.
Just on their own merits, I think it's pretty clear that the sideline OB call was a bigger travesty. I was on my knees banging my head on the floor. I will never know how they could give that ball to the Vols. The Burke call... not as clear a case. Although still pretty damn clear. But the one tonight, seriously, it makes me think I belong to another species or something because how could any human not understand the ball went out off Maymon?
...block on the ball was clean, but I always thought they called it based on body contact.
Trey Burke's by a mile. Not only blown but changed momentum in the Championship game.
We lost that game and won tonight.
this game. Not even a good question!!!
I think it is a great debate question. Anytime you can get close to a 50-50 split of opinion, it is a great question. Now if you are referring to an academic question, then yes this would be bad, but it would be bad because it is a question based on opinion.
...how can one be worse than the other? They were both flat wrong.
That's like me saying which is more wrong 2+2=5 or 3+3=5?
wow, that coffee joke was taken straight from Seinfeld: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-skZx5liyaM
It's a chuck Lorre show, you can't honestly be expecting originality. He does competent, not new.
Some calls ARE worse than others. Charles White's fumble before going over the goal line in the 1979 Rose Bowl against us is far worse than Morgan getting called for a block when he clearly got the charge.
White's phantom touchdown still the worst call ever. White the scumbag, " Once I saw I was over the goal line I just let the ball go"
...at the 2 yard line. 7 points. We lost 17-10.
Just like Desmond's no PI call.
I dunno, years of watching price is right have me thinking 3+3=5 is somehow less wrong
freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4
The biggest blown call of that game was the ref assigning a foul Hancock committed to someone else that let him stay on the court and hit multiple threes! I can't figure out why people think the blown Trey call was more imporant. Also, can someone please provide the image of the blown call tonight. I can't find it and I need to fend off some trolls.
the "foul" on Burke that made him be out for the rest of the 2nd half. Now I know that Spike went crazy but Burke was really playing well and with him and Spike on the court it would have helped our offense (Hardaway got the ball stolen from him twice when brining it up) on the press break.
and it got little attention for some reason. He fouled Trey but they gave the block to someone else. I believe he scored 5 more points and drew McGary's 4th which sent him to the bench when we were only down a few points. A brutal miss. I think it may have had a bigger impact than the Burke non-block
At worst, the one may have cost M a national champsionship, the other may have cost us all a couple of grey hairs.
the extra second left on the clock by Spartan bob. I kid. trey's awesome block. Because 1) it was awesome and 2) We lost.
in Ohio Stadium, '74, or 4th-and-goal, same venue, '72.
and the goaltend early in the game
Watch the last 12 minutes of this game again and see how the referees gave Tennessee every single marginal call to get them back in the game up until the Morgan charge. How about the two or three blocking calls that were easily Tennessee charges? Or the Walton no call when he was clearly positioned on a charge? Refereeing was utterly brutal as they went about their poetic license to bring the Vols back into the game. Typical bullshit.
Honestly, I was stunned with the Morgan charge call. After roughly 10 straight bad calls in a row favoring the Vols, why expect the sudden change? I guess because at that point the refs figured they'd done their job of making the game more interesting than it should have been, and went back to straight up calls.
Typicall horse shit that ruins CBB to me.
More of this. I was texting a friend like crazy about how bad the reffing was. There was one play that just made me think "Big Dance call," only called to build the drama as things are getting close. My heart almost gave out when they reviewed the inbounds pass that Tennessee tipped and Stauskas didn't even touch. I was ready for them to blow a second OOB call.
With all that said, we're advancing to the Elite 8 (Hail!) but those refs should be done for the tournament.
The call against Walton for the and one, where he moved out of the way, had me thinking the fix was in. But then they called the charge at the end, had me thinking refs wanted a close game but didn't care who wins and since they were screwing UM all game, might as well give one to them.
But at least I can breath again and start thinking logically again, and I can realize refs are human. Bad calls don't always mean everyone is against us....
CLord, I agree 1,000,000,000%. I was thinking the exact same thing as I watched the Refs BLOW the last 10 minutes of that game. They do it ALL THE TIME in the men's NCAA tourney! Every year there are several games in which a team leads by a "safe" margin like 10-12 points with 6-7 minutes left.... and then the refs "enter" the game & start making their plays all over the freaking court & suddenly its a 2 point game with 30 seconds left.... I do not understand it. Certain refs must be thinking "this is boring. We can't let Team X win by 10, lets get Team Y back into it".... This type of thing does not happen in high school hoops. If Team X has controlled the game, then Team X wins comfortably, because they played better that night. This doesnt happen in Womens college hoop either; the team that controlled the game doesnt suddenly lose control the last 4 minutes, & it's because the refs aren't trying to influence the outcome. Watch & see.
Trey's call should have cost the refs their jobs
was about the 15th or 20th horrible call in a game filled with calls that were just inexplicable. The refs officiating that game should have all been suspended for life. It was an utter embarassment to college basketball. Pitino could have deposited $100K in each of their bank accounts before the game and couldn't have gotten better results.
Today's was "worse" in the fact they could review it and change it. Today's was "less worse" in the fact it was more difficult to call real time. Both came at horrid times in the game.
No shame in getting today's call wrong in real time. Hell, no one knew what happened in real time. The issue is that they watched in on replay where it was OBVIOUS and then they STILL got it wrong. Just unbelievable.
The Trey call was terrible, but is a common blown call by bad basketball refs. They blow their whistle anticipating contact and then when it isn't there they are stuck. Those guys officiating the game were just terrible refs who were stuck in a game that was way way way too big for them. They couldn't handle the moment and they completely embarssed themselves.
Is this the call when it looked like it went off of Stauskas' hand?
It's the one that, in real-time you figured went off Tennessee, but weren't sure, then you were sure it did when you saw the replay. But they gave it to Tenn. anyways.
Thanks - I had a hard time keeping track of the game because we had the Iowa State game sound on at the bar I was at, and of course I was having a meltdown during the last few minutes of our game.
Given the time left in the game, I lean toward this being a worse call since they went to the monitor review and still blew it.
I upvoted you too (a first.)
The Block, they probably would have pulled out a national title if they made the right call.
not go off Morgan...but was a much closer call.
EDIT: plus we lost the Louisville game...so def the block!
the Trey Burke call was horrible in every way. I could somewhat see how they missed the Maymon ball
Burke's will always be worse because Michigan lost the game. Tonight we won.
I can see how someone could assume a foul in the Burke play, but the stripes had the opportunity to watch VIDEO of the ball CLEARLY going off Maymon's hand.
my wife asked to tell her 93 year old mom "why do the refs hate Michigan so much" right after the blown out of bounds play tonight. Her mom said "I've never understood why the officials seem to hate you guys so much but they do". And she's a hard core OSU fan.
Does basketball have a rule like football where the video evidence must be "incontrovertible"
to reverse a call already made?
Good question. I think no though.
The Burke call was horrid but understandable since the ref probably didn't have a good angle and definitely didn't have the advantage of replay. And let's not forget there's no guarantee that we win even if the refs get that call right. The Maymon call was absolute horseshit.
what about Spike laying on the court in sole possession of the ball calling for a timeout THREE FUCKING times with ref right there looking at him but ref waits for a spartan to have a hand on the ball to call a tie up??? Simply the worst call I have ever seen. Worse than Jim Joyce, this wasn't a split second call (I'm still PISSED)
Hopefully Louisville Kentucky goes to 7 overtimes.
For the sake of this post, I'll assume that the video evidence was inconclusive (I'm not sure it was, but I digress). Before they made the call, there was a good two or three seconds where no official knew what to call. Finally, one guy just flat out guessed. He picked one and went with it. That fact, combined with the inconclusive replay (it either touched both of them last, or just Maymon), should have made the call a jump ball. Michigan had the possession arrow.
I'm not sure if the rules are written that way, but if not they should be. If the refs truly have no idea and have "inconclusive" video evidence, they should just go with the possession arrow. Even if it would have been Tennessee's way, I would have been happier with that explanation.
We will never know if the Trey Burke block had been called correctly that we would have won.
We may have and that's why it is more important. Besides being the NCG.
The call tonight did not result in a loss and other than causing us undue stress it did not change the end result of us winning.
Being tripped in the endzone.
This is obvious, Trey block was live action. The officials blew the call tonight after watching it countless times on SLOW MOTION REPLAY. How that happens??? Who knows. For some reason it seemed like the officials only look at it for a second and spend more time discussing things between themselves.
Plus we won this game so I done have to look back on that call with utter hatred.
You couldn't tell if Morgan's hand was in front or behind the ball. I agree with staying with call on the floor. Plus we got the charge at the end so tough to bitch...they should let that stuff go at that stage of game. However, ill take it!
Yes you could. If Morgan's hand had been in front of the ball, the ball would have contacted his hand AFTER Maymon pushed it towards half court and you would have seen either:
1) The path of the ball change direction
2) Morgan's hand move when the ball hit it.
Neither of these things happened.
Maymon clearly pushed the ball last. He CLEARLY pushed the ball out of bounds. His hand was the darker hand that was on the ball last. It was an OBVIOUS call. It was NOT inconclusive to anyone who has any actual ability in looking at a video and analyzing what is going on.
Unfortunately, most college officials have absolutely NO ability to watch video and discern ANYTHING from it. The number of wrong calls from video replay is just astounding. Hell, the Big Ten Football video replay officals are so bad I'm not sure they could tell you whether it was raining or not.
There was a question as call wasn't overturned. Go blue!
Just because the blind morons officiating the game couldn't watch the video and see that ball obviously went off of Maymon doesnt change the fact that the video conclusively showed that the ball went off of Maymon. It was obvious. Unless Jordan Morgan's skin suddenly became about 5 shades darker than it normally is.
Note that Maymon's hand is still on the ball in this frame but Morgan's is not. The ball never touches Morgan's hand again after this frame.
We didn't "get" the charge call at the end of the game. Morgan beat Stokes to the spot and Stokes lowered his shoulder. That's an automatic charge. Period. There's no controversy, there's no "anticlimactic ending". It was a big play by a big man who won his matchup all game long. On to Kentucky
The Trey play would win just off sheer impact of the national championship game. At the same time, the Maybane play was a absolutely tragically blown call. How do 3 professional refs (6 eyes mind you) go to a monitor and fuck up a call like that?
I'm faded...goodnight MGOworld...
Thought this said MGrowOld and I thought hmmm that's weird.
Yeah me too.
These god damn refs. Just egregious missed/blown calls. The ball off Maymon in our game, Appling pushes the VA player to the ground in this one. Incredible.
The Virginia player had his hand around Appling's back.
seem so bad that on every close call I bet you could flip a coin and get the call right more often than they do.
I really dont want the refs from the UK/UL game. They let UK players foul at will on the glass and on any UL drives to the hoop. UL got boned and if the refs let UK play that way against us then we'll suffer the same fate.
Not to mention the drive late where the Kentucky player (Randell I think) clearly charged and sent Hancock flying about 5 feet into the air and 10 feet back with no call what so ever. I don't have a good feeling about Sunday.
Hancock was moving and I couldn't have been happier to see a player flying through the air like that after last years NC game.
That "blown" review caused Michigan not to cover the final line spread of -2.5. Seems a bit coincidental.
Just a shitty called game. I never really get wrapped up into officiating arguments but those dudes just flat out sucked last night. I hated the ticky tack fouls, missed calls, etc. It for sure went both ways and it's weird to complain when you win, but I feel like it would have been a smoother victory with better calling.
One, however sticks out. I remember when Trey got called for that foul, I almost left the context of the game. I didn't care about score or the greater implications...all I could think was "That was one of the best damn plays I've ever seen, and it's not going to count."
Going by that, I'm going to say the foul on Trey Burke was the more egregious call.
Haven't you guys figured it out yet?!? Basketball refs (NCAA and NBA) are like the "catch-up logic" programmed into sports video games -- and this phenomenon reaches it's zenith during the Tourney. Anyone that thinks that these clowns are unbiased, free acting judges of the rules is naive. The NCAA makes almost every dollar it earns from the MBB Tournament -- they want excitement, not blowouts. Before the final last year I told the people that I was watching unequivocally that I expected Burke to be forced to sit due to early ticky tack fouls -- guess I got that ESPN thing going on huh?
The block last year was made even worse by the preceding play in which Burke was knocked the the floor and got no call, got up, hauled ass down the floor and made one of the greatest and timeliest blocka every, and got screwed twice.
The worst ever was when UNC beat Illinois a few years ago. It was obvious that it was the Roy Williams Career Love Fest and nothing was going to stop the refs from handing the title to UNC.
If I didn't love our teams so much I couldn't beat to watch the dog and pony show the NCAA tries to pass off as legit unmanipulated sport. They're employees, working for a paycheck, and they know who butters their bread.
I'd like to nominate the "holding" call on Michigan's fake punt in Bo's last Rose Bowl. It was a late 4th quarter drive with Michigan trailing by less than 7. Michigan converted the first down (to add to the sheer astonishment of Both ever calling for a fake punt), but no. The zebras found a holding call that even the TV replay guys couldn't find. Just horrible, and it cost Bo a chance to win his last game.
The OOB call by a nose only because it was reviewed several times. Had Morgans hand been to the outside I could see it but his hand was wrapped around.
Another thing that drove me batty was the non-calls on traveling by Tennessee. When a guy picks up his dribble from just inside the 3 pt line and attempts a dunk I think its pretty clear that he traveled. I saw several instances where 4 steps were taken but what do I know, I'm not an NCAA official.