Trey Burke Update
Well, a few hours ago Brian posted on Twitter according to a source that Trey was having a change of heart and also the Free Press shared the same story. Apparently in the last hour or so on twitter, pictures of Trey Burke's dorm room have been posted and unfortunately all his bags have been packed. I think it is safe to say he is gone.
Link to the picture: https://twitter.com/#!/nrothschild3/status/187762662606782465/photo/1
I don't think Duke 2010 had a player that would leave before their Junior year. The one early exit is Plumlee, who is leaving after his 3rd year.
smith was the PG on that team and had a good year. he then stayed for his senior year and got drafted in the first round. would he have been drafted in the first round after his junior year? maybe, but his senior stats were better across the board which likely solidified his first-round status.
trey's stats are likely to improve across the board too, if he stays.
Yeah, good call. That Duke team definitely fits the mold of a championship-caliber team that didn't have any one-and-done level players (though it wouldn't have been absurd for Singler to have gone pro after his freshman or sophomore years). I think the broader point -- that this is a relatively rare thing -- still holds.
As an aside, I think that the case of Singler is instructive vis-a-vis Burke. Singler could have gone pro early, and probably would have been a late first-round pick if he'd have done so. But he decided to stay all four years to develop, and he wound up getting drafted in the 2nd round and is now playing in Spain. The assumption that more college leads monotonically to better draft position and more productive overall career is foolish, but it's continually trotted out by a majority of the people here who feel that they know exactly what's in Burke's best interest.
bold assumption to say he was a first-rounder in 2010 when 2011 was a weaker draft by all accounts. his senior #s were comparable to his junior #s. i really don't think his stock fell any by staying. but look at his jump from frosh to soph.
Come on.
Singler was seen as a guy who could spread the floor from the 3, and then promptly went out his senior year and shot 31% from three after shooting 37% for his career to that point.
What happened? Big slide.
if he would have made a half a dozen more 3s his senior year he would have been a first rounder. that is absurd. i give GMs more credit than that.
Check out his DraftExpress profile:
In March of his sophomore year, they were projecting him as "a mid-to-late first round pick if he declares". By February of his junior year, DraftExpress wrote that "Singler may be kicking himself for not even attempting to test the NBA draft waters last year, as there is a very good chance that he would have been a first round pick. This year, his draft position is less certain." By his senior year, they were noting his lack of overall progress, the regression in his rebounding numbers, and the fact that he might be "destined for a role as a one-dimensional player, one who is not particularly consistent at that particular dimension—shooting."
Passing up on draft opportunities can hurt.
is also saying he is having a change of heart and might stay.
All you people crying about how we should be thanking Burke, rather than being angry with him, need to get a grip.
Contrary to what D-Mo may have to say about it, we are not fickle for being mad at a guy for skipping town. With Burke, the basketball team would be on the verge of one of its best seasons since the Fab Five. If he leaves, as it seems he has, he has effectively abandoned and rejected this university.
When Bill Frieder accepted the job at Arizona State, Bo didn't come out and say, "Hey now, this guy has done a lot of good for U-M, so we owe him our thanks and gratitude and I wish him the best during his final run as Michigan's coach in the NCAA tourney," he fired his ass and didn't look back. When you make a decision that promotes your own interests over the interests of your teammates and the University, however reasonable that decision may be, the community has every right to be angry with you and act accordingly.
Those who stay will be champions, not only on the field/court but also in the hearts and minds of their fans.
Now of course, trashing Burke's Twitter is just petty and immature and of course I don't condone that. But don't tell me I shouldn't be mad at him if he leaves.
Bill Frieder wasn't a kid
I'm sorry but you guys are making me stick to my stomach. Don't you know what the phrase, "Those who stay will be champions" means? I can tell you what it doesn't mean: it doesn't mean that if you're a kid, and you had a good season, and you might be able to go pro and get drafted in the first round, then well, it's okay to leave.
You've all forgotten Bo's legacy.
And for the record yes, I am mad.
I'm sorry but you guys are making me stick to my stomach. Don't you know what the phrase, "Those who stay will be champions" means?
Virtually nothing, given the noxious over-use, and thoughtless repitition.
Anyway, in the most literal sense, Burke already is a champion.
I have nothing more to say to you. Bo is rolling over in his grave.
Bones require muscalture to move.
But this does prove my point about "those who stay" - you love your meaningless cliches.
so let's just agree to disagree and move on.
So a student athlete should base his decisions on our own selfish agenda rather than his own personal reasons. I'll be upset as the next person if he leaves, but he doesn't owe anything to anybody or the university.
So it's selfish for the University to not want the b-ball team to be thrown into complete and total disarray? What about the team members themselves?
So where were the torches and pitchforks when Manningham and Arrington left? As far as I'm concerned, those guys are still "Michigan Men." You can be mad about the situation, but don't be mad at the guy. The game is a business. How does Trey know that he won't have a THjr-type season next year that will set him back in terms of draft stock?
"When you make a decision that promotes your own interests over the interests of your teammates and the University, however reasonable that decision may be, the community has every right to be angry with you and act accordingly.
Those who stay will be champions, not only on the field/court but also in the hearts and minds of their fans."
We laughed at SDSU fans who called Brady Hoke a traitor for leaving for his dream job. How is this any different?
that his ultimate goal was to be the head coach at Michigan?
I'm 100% positive that Burke has said his dream job is to play in the NBA.
between head coaching positions and playing in the NBA. Hoke would never have been able to coach at Michigan if he had never left SDSU. Burke would have been able to have a shot at the NBA if he had stayed one more year.
If his knee didn't go the way of Da'Sean Butler, a guy that stayed his senior year, and saw his draft prospects fizzle when his knee exploded.
Or, if his season didn't go the way of Durrell Summers. Or Kalin Lucas. Or Tim Hardaway Jr.
there is a risk in staying. but last year (a weaker draft by all accounts), approx 50 college guys declared early for the nba. approx half of them didn't get drafted.
I don't wish Burke any ill will, but this is apples and oranges. A guy leaving at the end of his freshman season (apparently without even finishing the term) is quite different from a guy leaving when he is pretty close to graduation. And in Hoke's case, that might have been his only chance to ever get the Michigan job. If Hoke had stayed at SDSU, he might have closed that door forever. Burke, barring some kind of catastrophe, should still have the NBA out there in a year's time.
The principle was the same, though. Hoke saw his opportunity and took it, knowing that it's not a sure thing he'd get the offer again. Like i said, how do we know Trey doesn't have a THjr-like season next yr with a different offensive focus and have his stock plummet?
And in Hoke's case, that might have been his only chance to ever get the Michigan job. If Hoke had stayed at SDSU, he might have closed that door forever. Burke, barring some kind of catastrophe, should still have the NBA out there in a year's time.
So Hoke "may never have gotten another shot", so jumping is fine.
Burke "may not get another shot", but it's differenent, because the percentages are different?
He can, 100%, get drafted now. He doesn't know that next year. Maybe his draft dreams will go the way of Tim Hardaway's, Durrell Summers', or Kalin Lucas'. Maybe they'll go the way of Da'Sean Butler as he cries about a shredded knee ligament on the court.
says who? it's likely he gets drafted. but you don't know for sure. manny thought he might get drafted in the first round too.
isaiah thomas was drafted #60 (final pick) last year after his junior year. his size and game appears very similar to me as trey.
You're talking about the guy who has played his way into a contract extension, and an assured NBA career, right?
but to deny there is a big difference to "play" your way into a contract and having one guaranteed from the outset (ie. round 1 draft choice) is a HUGE difference...and HUGE money difference.
A low first round pick makes about $2.5 million over three years, and guaranteed a qualifying offer of about $450,000 his 4th year as an RFA. That last year isn't guaranteed.
Isaiah Thomas was the very last pick in the draft, and he signed a 3-year deal for $2.1 million total (he also now has a team option for $1.2 million for a 4th, which it looks like they'd take).
So over 3 years, the difference is $400k.
thomas had to prove himself first. that's the HUGE difference. if burke gets drafted in round 1 that $2.5M is guaranteed.
Burke is not guaranteed to get drafted. That's the big sticking point. He could get seriously hurt, yes, but that doesn't happen that often in college basketball. He's probably more likely to raise his stock by staying than lower it. That seems to be the consensus among NBA analysts, who are almost all saying he should wait a year.
There are two year-round websites dedicated to following the NBA draft that say he is in no appreciable danger of not being drafted.
why do you seem to think that getting drafted is the equivalent of getting drafted in the first round? i could argue that it's better to go undrafted than drafted in the 2nd round, since then you (and your agent) could try and find a team looking for a backup PG as a free agent. if you are drafted in round 2 then get cut. forget it. your nba career is likely done.
the poster said he wouldn't get drafted.
getting drafted in the 2nd round is getting drafted.
right?
Also, I'd argue that if you get cut, your career is pretty much done.
You seem to think that getting drafted in the 1st round will set you up for life. The only thing that will do that is playing well - which, I think we can agree, doesn't depend on draft slot.
maybe not, but getting drafted in round 1 gets probably at least $3M guaranteed. that's a good start. second round or less gets you a guaranteed nothing.
To a specific team. In no way are they saying he has little chance of not getting drafted. If those teams don't pick him, he could very well slide. And it wouldn't mean the sites were wrong in some sort of "guarantee."
(And neither of those sites pick him to be a first round pick. And considering the best experts do a horrible job predicting the lottery, second round picks are a complete guessing game for page view and fun).
It's definitely fine to discuss how you think this is a bad move for Trey. However, I think some are doing our fanbase a disservice by how they are acting. So many people on here talk about Michigan's tradition and respectable fanbase. Then, when one of our own decides to go pro, we have some trashing his twitter account and questioning his loyalty. Some of you sound like Ohio fans the way you turned on Trey. What more does he owe Michigan? He came for one year and was the main reason for our co-big ten championship.
Let's look at it from this way for those who are saying this is the dumbest move ever. First, he might have already talked to a few teams and been assured he is a top 25 pick. His main knock is his lack of size. He's not going to grow anymore. So is he the type of player that would really benefit from sticking around? This draft class is as thin at PG as a class will ever be. Trey came off the type of stellar year that would be hard for almost anyone to duplicate. He's going out at the top of his individual game.
Last, he's going to make, at a minimum, 15x the average American salary in a year. I can't fault anyone for doing that in this world. He should stay in school and get his degree..blah blah blah. What's he going to do with that? Get a job in general studies or business and make $80,000 a year? (and that's ONLY because of who he is, not the school). This economy has hurt everyone. If he can go right now and make a few million, no one has the right to demoralize him. Be thankful for what he gave us. Go Blue
You don't think I should question his loyalty? If he leaves he has effectively rejected and abandoned this University. Please read my post above. The b-ball team would be on the verge of it's best season in nearly two decades if he stayed.
What more does he owe us? IIRC, that's not what Bo said to Frieder.
Yes tag me as trolling because I stand behind Bo's principles
Those are two completely different scenarios. Frieder's decision to leave was a lateral career move to a different university. If Burke was transferring then it would be a different story.
In your own words, he owes us NOTHING. Absolute nada.
Trey Burke owes you what, exactly? I'm curious if he knows what his obligations to you are, and if he thinks your personal expectations are fair. Also, when did he take on this obligation to you?
So I don't see why you have to go off and be a smart-ass about it.
You're completely misunderstanding my point. My point is that Burke is not entitled to the unconditional affection of Michigan fans if he skips town.
You're not saying he doesn't deserve unconditional affection, you're saying that Burke is a bunch of bad things for making a decision you disagree with. Who are you referring to, if not yourself? I'd like to hear who you're speaking on behalf of, or at least attempting to. Ultimately, this is Burke's life; this isn't about your MBB fandom, or your degree or season ticket status, this is a person's life. Tearing down a person's name because they see their life in a different manner than you is all types of ridiculous, and frankly a terrible thing to do.
He's entitled to the respect that comes from being a Big Ten champion at Michigan. Woodson left early, yet nobody around here is lambasting his life choices. As for your repeated points about Frieder, why not hate Beilein? He made a lateral move and "quit" on his previous team. What a terrible person...
Do a lot of people think everyone is better off with Burke back? Yes; I'm one of them. I see no reason for name-calling or disregarding his accomplishments within the Michigan basketball program, though. Unless you're on the team, or you're on the coaching staff, Burke owes nothing to anyone on this board. Period.
You'll see that my ONLY point was that Michigan fans do not owe it to Burke to not be angry with him for leaving. I never once called Burke any names. Perhaps it was too strong to say he "rejected" the University by leaving, but clearly he did "abandon" it, no?
I have tons of respect for Burke. I think he is a commendable young man and I would NEVER call him "a bunch of bad things" or try to "tear down his name." ALL I am saying is that I don't understand why everyone is upset that Michigan fans are upset with Burke.