will be michigan's highest pick in a while
Trey Burke Update
April 5th, 2012 at 10:37 AM | 
If college stats translated
If college stats translated
April 5th, 2012 at 10:52 AM |
Thank you for making my
Thank you for making my
Thank you for making my point.
Burke could "improve" next year, and he'd still be drafted in the same spot because he's 5'10" and not terribly athletic. If being good in college was what mattered to the NBA, he'd be the first guard taken.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
April 5th, 2012 at 11:46 AM |
why?
why?
this is flawed logic. right now burke is 5'10" - strike one. i think almost everyone on this board thinks his game needs improvement (ie. shot, court vision, etc). Yet, you seem to think he wouldn't get drafted higher if those things do improve. i don't get it.
if i'm a GM why would i take a chance on a 5'10" guard who has to improve in a lot of areas? i would be more likely to take a more polished "short" PG like jordan taylor. imo, taylor improved his draft stock a lot by staying the past two years. is it definitive? No. but likely, yes.
April 5th, 2012 at 11:55 AM |
Your logic is flawed because
Your logic is flawed because
Your logic is flawed because Jordan Taylor doesn't make a single mock draft that exists. If Burke is getting a draft grade, he's regarded as a better prospect.
The Point Guards in this draft are Austin Rivers, Marquis Teague, Tony Wroten, Tyshawn Taylor, and Trey Burke. 4 of them are freshman. All of them have weaknesses. Yet Rivers is getting a lottery grade, and Wroten and Teague are getting 1st round grades DESPITE being measurably worse at basketball.
Why?
BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL AT LEAST 6'3".
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
April 5th, 2012 at 12:14 PM |
Marshall
Marshall
You forgot Kendall Marshall, and possible lottery pick, and with those 4 point guards going in the first round, and the stacked talent at point guard in the league, it doesnt look good for Burke
April 5th, 2012 at 12:12 PM |
statistics
statistics
Agreed that these statistics show that Burke should be considered the top PG in the draft, but the truth is that the statistics do not matter. Right now Trey is anywhere from the 5th-7th point guard in the draft, and the issue is, the league is already pretty stacked with young point guard talent, there are very few teams who do not already have two established point guards on their team, and this years free agency really plays a part in the draft process. There are 4 very good guards entering free agency this year with, Deron Williams, Nash, Eric Gordon, and Jameer Nelson. If teams who have lottery picks need a point guard and think they have a pretty good shot at one of these established players, they will address a different need in the draft, and that would mean the guys like Kendall Marshall and Austin Rivers will drop in the draft, which unfortunetely for Trey, would mean that all the other point guards in the draft would also be negatively affected by it.
April 5th, 2012 at 9:36 AM |
Italian Afro Man, COME ON
Italian Afro Man, COME ON
Italian Afro Man, COME ON DOWN!!!
#stillhopingitsnotnecessary
April 5th, 2012 at 9:36 AM |
I haven't seen a lot of commenters acknowedge this:
I haven't seen a lot of commenters acknowedge this:
Who knows how his experience has been outside of the team? Sure, his Michigan education might be free, a perk which most of us can't imagine giving up, but I'm sure it is no picnic. That could also influence his decision. Stay, and you're not just playing basketball for another year, you're also signing up for another year of classes and all that it entails.
Getting through Michigan as a student-athlete is probably pretty brutal at times. Even with the academic assistance they get.
Do I think it's short-sighted to leave? Sure. But let's recall that there may be more to it than the siren call of pro money and fame. Maybe he wants to get out from under the soul-crushing GRIND that college is at times, particularly if school hasn't been your focus in the preceding 5 or more years.
Candace: No... That why they make smart word box for tell monkey hard brain-hurty things.
Phineas: Removing prepositions makes it more condescending.
April 5th, 2012 at 11:17 AM |
seriously?
seriously?
the grind of college? the soul-crushing GRIND of being a student athlete? you mean unlike the soul crushing GRIND that is real life? in a law firm or a D-league travel grind? dude.
I will fucking cunt punt the next person I hear about doing something like that, and I don't give a fuck if you SOR me, I WILL FUCKING ASSAULT YOU.
April 5th, 2012 at 2:10 PM |
Dude.
I'm saying his decision
Dude.
I'm saying his decision
Dude.
I'm saying his decision could feel like this:
Stay at Michigan: play the game I love, learn plays, get coached, train hard, BUT ALSO have to take classes, show up for lectures, attend study table, write papers, read books, work on projects, meet with tutors, etc.
Leave Michigan to play pro at some level: play the game I love, learn plays, get coached, train hard. Full stop. WITHOUT the full-time job of being a student on top of it.
If you're not into school, and maybe you haven't been into school for a long time now because your athletic talents have directed your focus elsewhere.... the 'get an education' piece of staying might feel like more of a millstone than a fantastic benefit. yeah yeah yeah, I know playing in the NBA or the D League isn't all sunshine and roses and its hard work and there's lots of uncertainly. But he's got a lot of that here, too. Plus school on top. Maybe he doesn't like that mix.
Candace: No... That why they make smart word box for tell monkey hard brain-hurty things.
Phineas: Removing prepositions makes it more condescending.
April 5th, 2012 at 6:04 PM |
I'm not trying to argue any
I'm not trying to argue any
I'm not trying to argue any of your points, because they are all valid. College is what most everyone that wants to be a professional and achieve what they want to achieve in life has to put up with. The lectures, study halls, papers, exams, ect., is just what we have to deal with to get where we want to go. If for any reason he doesn't get guaranteed money or something happens where he doesn't have basketball money coming in, he will wish he put up with the annoyances of going to a place like UM (with great academic resources and tutoring available as a student athlete) to get his degree, IMO. Or stayed long enough so all he had to do is cap it off, not take 100+ credits worth of classes.
April 5th, 2012 at 9:41 AM |
I still am having a hard time
I still am having a hard time
I still am having a hard time comprehending Trey Burke in the NBA. Seriously, he's still looks like a baby. He'll be swimming in a league of genetically mutated man children. I cant think of one NBA roster where he is better than the point guards they currently have. Hopefully he likes Turkey.
On a positive note, hopefully this helps with recruiting and we see some positive blowback from putting a couple PG's in the league.
He's a great athlete and was awesome for the school. Go Blue, God Bless. God Speed Trey, may you never find yourself driving the lane against Kendrick Perkins.
the supreme head butt
April 5th, 2012 at 9:50 AM |
Burke's lack of loyalty is really odd
Burke's lack of loyalty is really odd
I mean, it's not like the Michigan "family" would turn on him the second he's no longer useful to the basketball team. I can't even imagine seeing something like that. Where on earth would Burke get the idea that college basketball is a business of sorts in which everyone uses everyone? That would be a crazy idea. Michigan fans have his back through thick and through thin, right? And they certainly wouldn't attack him in a public forum - that's for sure.
Reading through this thread, I'd be in the proverbial foxhole with some of you guys any day of the week. You're true blue.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future. -- Yogi Berra
April 5th, 2012 at 7:40 PM |
Who is that?
Who is that?
Will you please change your avatar?...I've already forgotten who that is. /
Chuck Norris wears Brady Hoke pajamas.
April 5th, 2012 at 9:54 AM |
Ennui
Ennui
Eh. Brian had it right with posting Henri. All the arguing, prospecting, and speculation is silly until we see what happens. I suppose there is a chance that players, coaches, or even the AD may check this blog, but my guess is no. Oh well, such are sporting blogs.
Whatever happens, thanks for the Big Ten (co)Championship and wins over MSU and OSU. Wish we went further in the tournament this year.
Hail.
April 5th, 2012 at 9:55 AM |
What does 20 - 35 even mean?
What does 20 - 35 even mean?
Does that mean he'd go 20-35 in any given year? Is it taking stock of teams' projected needs? Is it his ranking among people expected to enter the draft? I'm willing to bet there's way more than 15 people who've been evaluated "20-35."
April 5th, 2012 at 9:56 AM |
I'm all for kids bolting for
I'm all for kids bolting for
I'm all for kids bolting for $$, but this is a mistake. Another year of pretty much the same or slightly better play and he's in the lottery. AND, earns enough credits for an associates if he were to transfer later on.
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Screw Lance.
April 5th, 2012 at 10:01 AM |
Trey Burke is NEVER in the
Trey Burke is NEVER in the
Trey Burke is NEVER in the lottery unless he became Ty Lawson.
And he's nothing approaching that sort of athlete.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
April 5th, 2012 at 10:08 AM |
Respectfully disagree. Lawson
Respectfully disagree. Lawson
Respectfully disagree. Lawson is a good comparison, TL averaged 4 less points and one more assist than Trey as a freshman. Obviously Trey had to carry more of the load than TL, but I think Trey is a better and more creative scorer.
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Screw Lance.
April 5th, 2012 at 10:13 AM |
I think Lawson is on a
I think Lawson is on a
I think Lawson is on a completely different level of athleticism.
One thing I have been pounding my head into the wall about in these threads is that the NBA largely cares about your physical package than your college numbers - if it didn't, Draymond Green would be a lottery pick.
Burke is probably 2 inches shorter than Ty, and significantly less explosive.
I see, honestly, Mario Chalmers as a closer comparison. Chalmers shooting, as a freshman, was roughly equivalent to Burke's, he's approximately the same size, and is, to my eye, roughly equivalent an athlete.
If, like Chalmers, Burke can become a reliable three-point shooter, he'll stick in the NBA. Guys have 15 year careers based on nothing other than the ability to shoot.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
April 5th, 2012 at 10:31 AM |
Super Nintendo Chalmers.
Super Nintendo Chalmers.
Super Nintendo Chalmers.
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“ The best way to predict the future is to invent it.” — Alan Kay
April 5th, 2012 at 1:20 PM |
Perry Jones.
That is all.
Perry Jones.
That is all.
Perry Jones.
That is all.
HOKEAMANIA RUNNIN' WILD
Formerly, TheLastProphet
April 5th, 2012 at 9:58 AM |
There is not reason to bash a kid
There is not reason to bash a kid
Especially to his "face" via social media. If you're out with your friends having some beers and you want to vent and say its a poor decision that's fine but you make the Michigan fan base look stupid for saying that kind of shit to him.
Grow up its yet to be seen if its a stupid decision or not.
He only got the job because he's a Michigan Man not because he was the best. Is that what Michigan is all about? You do the best, you get the job. This MM meme is crap.
April 5th, 2012 at 10:03 AM |
Guys, help me out here.
Guys, help me out here.
Guys, help me out here. Didn't Brian's source say that Trey was 100% gone, but later Trey had a CHANGE of heart. Wouldn't that mean that he got second thoughts about leaving. Maybe he packed his bags, then had a change of heart...
*insert dumb and dumber clip*
April 5th, 2012 at 10:10 AM |
Good question. I wondering
Good question. I wondering
Good question. I wondering the same thing but I thought maybe I missed something.
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Screw Lance.
April 5th, 2012 at 10:25 AM |
Ahh redemption:
Ahh redemption:
Ahh redemption:
Who is Jon Falk?
April 5th, 2012 at 10:16 AM |
Dan Patrick just said Trey is
Dan Patrick just said Trey is
Dan Patrick just said Trey is leaving. Seems kind of unprofessional to say that on a national radio show before it has been confirmed.
April 5th, 2012 at 10:21 AM |
10 stages of grief. I waited
10 stages of grief. I waited
10 stages of grief. I waited until I reached acceptance before posting. While I think this is terrible decision by Trey and his family it is their decision not mine or anyone else.
Good luck Trey. I hope it works out in the future. If only one of your final shot attempts had gone down against Ohio...
Who is Jon Falk?
April 5th, 2012 at 10:31 AM |
On the MGoApp so can't post
On the MGoApp so can't post
On the MGoApp so can't post links, Freep just reported he's undecided as of today.
April 5th, 2012 at 10:31 AM |
Well
Well
I have scene this movie twice already... Who doesn't like trilogies??? It never ends well either :(
April 5th, 2012 at 12:11 PM |
You've scene it?
You've scene it?
Really? Are you sure?
April 5th, 2012 at 10:33 AM |
I don't understand the Burke trashing here
I don't understand the Burke trashing here
The kid played great for a year. He played so well, that he as an opportunity to make his dream come true and go to the NBA. Presumably he's talked to people who are smart enough to give him good advice. That advice might even say that he's likely a second-rounder, and that's good enough for him. Regardless, it doesn't matter. I get the disappointment at him leaving, but not the holier-than-thou attitude. He's worked hard and earned the opportunity. Good luck to him.
Also, I think some posters on this board need to figure out what they want. Do you want a team where all the best players stay three or four years? Or do you want a team that contends for and wins championships? They are mutually exclusive, even if you're Butler.
April 5th, 2012 at 10:42 AM |
The problem is not that he is
The problem is not that he is
The problem is not that he is leaving early. The problem is that he's making a bad decision. I don't think anyone would be pissed if he was the next Lebron, but it's almost certain he won't be going in the first round. It's a mistake.
April 5th, 2012 at 10:49 AM |
3 years of money
3 years of money
There years of money will more than offset 1 year. If a team has told him they will take him he is making a great decision. Many of you need to return to math class. It is s gamble to get injured or have a bad year as well.
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April 5th, 2012 at 11:57 AM |
So with the subject of
So with the subject of
So with the subject of injury, have players become too sensitive and afraid of being injured? I personally think so. The same thing can be said about driving home. You could get in a car accident and your career could be over. BJ Askew. My real concern for Trey is that he is still developing and seemingly you only have 2 years to prove yourself in the nba. So, wouldn't you want yourself to be at your peek?
I think the real reason for the backsplash from fans is feeling like we're almost there, but then our best player leaves early for the nba each year. I believe everyone wouldn't be so hard on Trey if it wasn't for Morris and Harris leaving before him. It just seems as if the frustration has grown over the years.
April 5th, 2012 at 10:48 AM |
They are mutually exclusive, even if you're Butler.
They are mutually exclusive, even if you're Butler.
You're actually saying that teams whose best players stay three or four years can't contend for and win championships? That's a novel view, I must admit.
April 5th, 2012 at 12:00 PM |
Can you name any championship
Can you name any championship
Can you name any championship teams over the last 15 years that didn't receive prominent contributions from players who entered the draft before their junior year? I guess there's Florida in 2007, but that seems like an outlying case of a team that featured several players that could have gone pro as sophomores but who basically decided that they wanted another championship (plus Speights contributed a bit, and he went pro after his sophomore year).
April 5th, 2012 at 12:03 PM |
I don't think Duke 2010 had a
I don't think Duke 2010 had a
I don't think Duke 2010 had a player that would leave before their Junior year. The one early exit is Plumlee, who is leaving after his 3rd year.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
April 5th, 2012 at 12:24 PM |
smith
smith
smith was the PG on that team and had a good year. he then stayed for his senior year and got drafted in the first round. would he have been drafted in the first round after his junior year? maybe, but his senior stats were better across the board which likely solidified his first-round status.
trey's stats are likely to improve across the board too, if he stays.
April 5th, 2012 at 12:32 PM |
Yeah, good call. That Duke
Yeah, good call. That Duke
Yeah, good call. That Duke team definitely fits the mold of a championship-caliber team that didn't have any one-and-done level players (though it wouldn't have been absurd for Singler to have gone pro after his freshman or sophomore years). I think the broader point -- that this is a relatively rare thing -- still holds.
As an aside, I think that the case of Singler is instructive vis-a-vis Burke. Singler could have gone pro early, and probably would have been a late first-round pick if he'd have done so. But he decided to stay all four years to develop, and he wound up getting drafted in the 2nd round and is now playing in Spain. The assumption that more college leads monotonically to better draft position and more productive overall career is foolish, but it's continually trotted out by a majority of the people here who feel that they know exactly what's in Burke's best interest.
April 5th, 2012 at 12:56 PM |
singler
singler
bold assumption to say he was a first-rounder in 2010 when 2011 was a weaker draft by all accounts. his senior #s were comparable to his junior #s. i really don't think his stock fell any by staying. but look at his jump from frosh to soph.
April 5th, 2012 at 1:11 PM |
Come on.
Singler was seen as
Come on.
Singler was seen as
Come on.
Singler was seen as a guy who could spread the floor from the 3, and then promptly went out his senior year and shot 31% from three after shooting 37% for his career to that point.
What happened? Big slide.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
April 5th, 2012 at 5:07 PM |
so
so
if he would have made a half a dozen more 3s his senior year he would have been a first rounder. that is absurd. i give GMs more credit than that.
April 5th, 2012 at 5:28 PM |
Singler's stock fell sophomore to junior and junior to senior
Singler's stock fell sophomore to junior and junior to senior
Check out his DraftExpress profile:
In March of his sophomore year, they were projecting him as "a mid-to-late first round pick if he declares". By February of his junior year, DraftExpress wrote that "Singler may be kicking himself for not even attempting to test the NBA draft waters last year, as there is a very good chance that he would have been a first round pick. This year, his draft position is less certain." By his senior year, they were noting his lack of overall progress, the regression in his rebounding numbers, and the fact that he might be "destined for a role as a one-dimensional player, one who is not particularly consistent at that particular dimension—shooting."
Passing up on draft opportunities can hurt.
April 5th, 2012 at 11:16 AM |
Sports Illustrated
Sports Illustrated
is also saying he is having a change of heart and might stay.
Go Blue!
April 5th, 2012 at 11:21 AM |
I'm sorry but I have to take a stand here.
I'm sorry but I have to take a stand here.
All you people crying about how we should be thanking Burke, rather than being angry with him, need to get a grip.
Contrary to what D-Mo may have to say about it, we are not fickle for being mad at a guy for skipping town. With Burke, the basketball team would be on the verge of one of its best seasons since the Fab Five. If he leaves, as it seems he has, he has effectively abandoned and rejected this university.
When Bill Frieder accepted the job at Arizona State, Bo didn't come out and say, "Hey now, this guy has done a lot of good for U-M, so we owe him our thanks and gratitude and I wish him the best during his final run as Michigan's coach in the NCAA tourney," he fired his ass and didn't look back. When you make a decision that promotes your own interests over the interests of your teammates and the University, however reasonable that decision may be, the community has every right to be angry with you and act accordingly.
Those who stay will be champions, not only on the field/court but also in the hearts and minds of their fans.
Now of course, trashing Burke's Twitter is just petty and immature and of course I don't condone that. But don't tell me I shouldn't be mad at him if he leaves.
"That's right. It's an off-tackle play. It's coming right over you. And there's not a thing you can do about it."
April 5th, 2012 at 11:24 AM |
U mad bro?
Bill Frieder
U mad bro?
Bill Frieder
U mad bro?
Bill Frieder wasn't a kid
I poop excellence
April 5th, 2012 at 11:31 AM |
It doesn't matter that he's a kid.
It doesn't matter that he's a kid.
I'm sorry but you guys are making me stick to my stomach. Don't you know what the phrase, "Those who stay will be champions" means? I can tell you what it doesn't mean: it doesn't mean that if you're a kid, and you had a good season, and you might be able to go pro and get drafted in the first round, then well, it's okay to leave.
You've all forgotten Bo's legacy.
And for the record yes, I am mad.
"That's right. It's an off-tackle play. It's coming right over you. And there's not a thing you can do about it."
April 5th, 2012 at 11:38 AM |
I'm sorry but you guys are
I'm sorry but you guys are
I'm sorry but you guys are making me stick to my stomach. Don't you know what the phrase, "Those who stay will be champions" means?
Virtually nothing, given the noxious over-use, and thoughtless repitition.
Anyway, in the most literal sense, Burke already is a champion.
wolverineliberationarmy.com/blog
April 5th, 2012 at 11:46 AM |
If you actually believe that that phrase has no meaning
If you actually believe that that phrase has no meaning
I have nothing more to say to you. Bo is rolling over in his grave.
"That's right. It's an off-tackle play. It's coming right over you. And there's not a thing you can do about it."
If college stats translated into NBA potential, we'd have a lot of short white guys making the all-star game every year.