Finally a post that makes sense. Now Coach B please offer Zeigler and another solid point guard for insurance purposes. We are now a school that attracts top talent and cannot afford to miss with our scholarships.
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Finally a post that makes sense. Now Coach B please offer Zeigler and another solid point guard for insurance purposes. We are now a school that attracts top talent and cannot afford to miss with our scholarships.
I find it hard to keep my emotions in check in regards to situations like this, but ultimately, like you said, no one person is greater than the team. If he chooses to go, I will embrace that decision, and look forward to what JB does.
The team, the team, the team!
"Those who stay will be champions."
Fickle? We're not fickle. Just ask Smotz.
If Burke leaves I won't be calm at all. Obviously it's his choice and I'll respect him for it.....but asking me to be calm that we would have Zero PG's on the roster? Sorry, but that would raise my worry-level
Most players who leave early, don't get drafted as high as they wanted, and then don't get the playing time they did in college, blame "politics." That is just human nature. Competitive people don't want to admit that they overestimated their own ability and left school too early.
Morris should be telling Burke, "stay in school unless you are a guaranteed upper first round pick." Remember that the later a team picks, the more likely they are to not really need anyone to start, the easier it is to get "lost in the shuffle," and the harder it is to get meaningful minutes on the floor. Kids drafted by teams in the lower half of the draft usually don't play a lot as rookies.
I agree that he needs an honest evaluation, though. The best-case scenario for all concerned is for Burke to take his assessment back to John Beilein, come back to Michigan, and for the coaches to help him work on the weaknesses. This will improve his chances for success, both at Michigan and in the NBA.
I would argue that the NBA only drafts on potential these days because once they did it a few times, everyone started leaving college early before they were actually ready, and all the teams had to go on was potential. They don't want to miss on a guy with tons of potential to be an allstar in 3 or 4 years for a guy who's very good and experienced now (i.e. college graduate), because the NBA is based entirely on individual talent. There's not many (if any) teams like the Pistons of the 2000s that are very successful because of a team mentality.
I also think the coaching in the NBA is wildly overrated. I can't count the times I've laughed at the screen after hearing announcers rave about how great Doc Rivers and Mike Brown are as coaches only to hear a mic'd up time out or half time where they're basically saying "shoot the ball" and "play defense." I think any development that occurs once a player is in the NBA is not because the coaching is so much better, but rather that the players have so much more time to devote to their game. The ones who are willing to put in the time fulfill their potential (Kobe, Lebron, ROSE[best example]), while the other ones become middle of the road guys.
Full disclosure: I hate what the NBA has morphed into since the days of Jordan and Malone and Isaiah.
improved significantly by staying in school another year.
In my lawyer's lizard-brain, I understand that young elite athletes are going to jump to professional leagues. And that colleges, in their attempt to attract the best elite athletes, are naturally going to recruit a fair number of extravagantly-talented professional-league prospects. And, that it is very difficult under widely-accepted legal and commercial principles to prevent NCAA student-athletes' early jumping to professional leagues.
Personally, I'd rather have a basketball team of five Aaron Crafts, than five Darius Morrises.
Who would play the 5?
who would inbound the ball after their sophomore year?
By the way, slighlty Off Topic anywhere else but curiously appropriate to this thread; Joe Queenan wrote a column for the Wall Street Journal in which he derided college basketball in favor of the NBA:
I didn't see that column when it was published earlier this week in my hard-copy edition of the Journal; only in reading angry letters to the WSJ editors (lol) did I find out about it.
It is delightfully punchy, and I disagree with every syllable that Queenan wrote. If I had to spend the rest of my life watching either college basketball or NBA basketball I would instantly and unhesitatingly choose college basketball. I don't even want to bother to argue with Joe Queenan because I think that he and I probably come from different planets, and our disputes would only harm the rest of the solar system. To me, the NBA has all of the emotional allure of commodities trading.
Wait! You mean a fanbase might react angrily when a good player leaves their program before anyone expected him to? And that a fanbase might express their anger on a message board??? Holy @&%^! What has the world come to?
Don't fool yourself OP. We ARE classier than most/all the other fanbases. Your expectation is this matter is unrealistic. DMo thinks we turned on him because we were disappointed with his decision. Well, we were. And we were RIGHT.
Michigan's fanbase isn't "fickle," nor does it "turn on" anyone without good reason. It comes down, once again, to the pride of any elite athlete. Most of them think that anyone who disagrees with their assessment of their own talents is "wrong."
In DMo's case, he apparently thinks that the fanbase "turned on him" for saying he should have stayed in school. While I admire his pluck, he might want to decide not to take opposing opinions as to his professional potential so personally.
The bottom line is that he should have stayed another year and improved his chances in the draft. He would be an upper first-rounder this year and probably catch on with a team in need of solid minutes from a PG.
If DMo had stayed, he probably would have made more money from being higher on the "food chain." If I was him, I wouldn't want to admit that, either.
Do you have any reason to believe that Burke is arrogant? Burke is a Michigan Man, and should be given every benefit of the doubt in this regard by fellow Wolverines. To suggest that he must be full of himself because he is an elite athlete seems awfully presumptive.
I agree with original post. Support our soldiers, even when they are thinking leaving the army. Cuz if it weren't for them, no B1G championship. No Ohio/may victories. Far fewer good memories.
school and don't let their teammates down by jumping ship and leaving them without a point guard, QB or goalie. Support works both ways. It is their life and their right to make the decision that they feel is best for them, but that doesn't mean that we have to agree with it or support it.
I think every fanbase, of any team, can be fickle. If an inidividual on a team does what may be best for the indvidual, but not what's best for the fanbase there are always going to be people who quickly change their opinion of said player. I think it's just part of being a fan, especially a fan of college teams.
You realize he had 2 years of college eligibility left and he is not on an NBA roster, right? I am guessing leaving college early without winning much to not be in the NBA is quite far from Morris living his dream.
Morris is on the Laker roster right now. He just played against Dallas on Wednesday.
Morris was reassigned to the Los Angeles D-Fenders of the NBA D-League. He went down for a game or two (or was it a week or two?), scored 21 one night, and then came back up to the Lakers.
We should all realize; Darius Morris is an extraordinarily lucky NBA rookie; his hometown team drafted him. If he and his parents are all deliriously happy with how things have turned out, I wouldn't blame them. But if he were living alone in a place like Oklahoma City, bouncing back and forth between the NBA and a D-league team, would that be the case? Maybe. But in any case, Darius Morris' good fortune is exceptional.
I don't know if his good fortune is exceptional. Yes, they did call him back up. They traded away an aging point guard, the guy Morris was supposed to take over for, for their point guard of the future. Getting no guaranteed money and sitting behind a young rising point guard is not the best situation.
Does not play, in the last 3 games he has 2 minutes of playing time and it was at the very end of a game. Sessions and Blake play.
I dont know why or how anyone would pretend that Morris didnt make a poor decision. Sitting on a bench and watching average at best players play every available minute ahead of you is not a recipe for improving.
1. Players don't get developed by coaches in the League. Coaches are too worried about getting fired next week to worry about anything other than winning right now. You can help them or not. Players get better on their own , or pay people to help them get better.
2. Is totally based on the assumption of 3. All the reasons for Burke to go (thinner PG draft, etc.) are reasons for Morris to go this year. And he doesn't have to move up to the lottery to get enough money that he's making more in one year than this and next, AND it's guaranteed. You act like the NBA stops drafting people after their freshman year, but really that's only true of the elite talent. Most of the draft is going to be players who stayed more than one year. And they didn't stay because they were going to be high picks and wanted to get devalued...they improved their stock.
The only problem is people who can't admit it was a bad decision, didn't work out as he planned (he admits he was told and thought he was going in the first round), and the fact people can't handle it when they aren't told everything they do is right. You're looking at it the wrong way; at worst he's in the same spot he's in now. All he could have one by staying is move up.
But their job is tied to the head coach, and NBA coaches get shuffled like cards. And most have offensive and defensive analysis and prep for the next game. Trainers can help, but are too doing their jobs, getting players healthy. Not working on their shot. Yes, you get enter playing better competition....if you get to play. You get better by playing in game situations. Deep bench practice is not going at it and getting better, but acting as a scout team for the next opponent, not making your game better.
I actually agree with #2 but you're the one who thins it's a good idea for Buke to go...even if he gets no better, the draft might not be as strong.
And it's not strange at all. Your logic assumes all those players would have been drafted higher if they had come out as freshmen, when Tate's te exception, not te rule. What really would have happened is as freshmen or sophomores they wouldn't have been drafted at all....or in the second round. They got better as they stayed, and made themselves first round picks.
And I'm not sure how you can see less money not guaranteed is a situation that can't be any better....but the Lakers thing is a non-starter. It's nice for a year, before they cut you, or trade you for a box of crackers and some cap space. It you're drafted by someone you like where you have VALUE to them, that's cool. As a thrown in it's short-sighted to value that over security. Which is the whole problem with the situation; it was short-sighted.
With a coach, he does it because he does it by himself. No more or less than you can by yourself in college. You say "class", I raise you family and bills and responsibilities. And why bother practicing at all if he is what he is and isn't going to get demonstrably better? How a guy can't get better at 29, but can at 30 doesn't make any sense.
And if guys were going to be sure high or mid-round picks as sophomores and juniors, they wouldn't be staying another year. That they do stay and then get drafted that high says they've gotten better.band you see that far more often than "he was going to be a for sure 1st round pick, stayed another year to be a lottery pick, then went undrsfted". You're using the rare case to prove the rule.
1) no, you are not right to rip on a player. the guy took no tattoos and no booster cash. so get off his back.
2) a player at UM does not owe you sh!t. Stop feeling vindicated when an athlete struggles in the league. HE decided that it was time for him to start making money. Respect it.
Guys who stay all 4 years are beloved. But guys who go and get that money are NOT villains.
seriously: d-mo lived his entire life in Los Angeles. Played all his ball there. Spent 2 years in Ann Arbor. Now he's back and he's a LAKER. And you guys think he's disappointed.
3) counter argument to class: boosters' treatment of RR. don't kid yourself. our fans are great, but we aren't exactly nebraska.
Are Nebraska's fans known for being especially supportive?? Please explain, I don't get it.
put it this way - ricky williams got a standing ovation after he and texas ran nebraska off their own field in the late 90's. husker fans chanted "heisman, hesiman" out of respect
nebraska fans are top 3 in class
The Nebraska fans I know are sore losers and instead of saying Michigan sucks to me, they make fun of the fact that I wear Michigan apparel. Classy.
I didn't say it's ok to rip on a player. I said "react angrily". I should have been more specific. React angrily = Typing "F%€£!"., FML, this sucks, and "you're making the wrong choice". And I never said Morris or any player owes us anything. We do, however, have the right to voice our displeasure. The concensus was that his departure was I'll-advised and premature. Even as a casual observer one could surmise that Morris made a hasty professional decision.
Agree with this. Michigan fans are no more fickle than fans of any other institution or sports team. This is not an endorsement to contact players with nasty comments, just pointing out reality.
To me between Burke and Morris is that Burke seems more like an NBA point guard, especially one with great upside in comparison. He could certainly use another year to get better but I don't blame the kid for checking into his draft status. Look at Sullinger, he didn't go when he was hottest and his stock dropped. Burke has to consider this as something that could happen to him so he needs to monitor his status and strike while the iron's hot. He also needs to consider the possibility of injury if he were to return. Bottom line though, if he hears first round pick, he's gone. I think if he hears second round he stays. Morris should simply tell him "you have a chance to win something special at Michigan or you can end up in the D league like me"
playing in a final four (and maybe more). He will still make great NBA money.
After all that hype can't blame the kid for seeing whats out there either. If he leaves i guess chalk another kid to coach B's talent at making NBA ready athletes. Should help on the recruiting trail. While i agree he should stay and will get eaten alive in the league right now, his choice. He will not make the kinda cash to set him up for life. Also remember fickle isn't the same as betrayed. When a kid says he is coming back, he should stick to his word. Thats a Michigan Man.
Great Article! Very well presented and well thought out, but let us not forget that Trey Burke is an adult and he will make the decision based on his personal situation - family and friends and career - and we as Fans should in NO WAY complain about what he may do. Speculation may sell a few reads, but reality always trumps hope.
Did you want fries with that?
I agree with the OP in that we should support whatever decision Burke makes, whether it will be a bad decision to leave or not because it is still his choice. Burke loves Michigan and has done most everything that Beilein has ask of him as his PG including respecting the senior leadership. Watching all of his youtube videos we saw that no one had worked harder in the off season than Burke to be prepared to play and contribute as a freshman for Michigan and obviously that work paid off in helping Michigan win it's first B1G championship since '86' (I do believe ) winning the B1G Freshman of the year, making the all freshman team and even All-American honors and all that as a unheralded three star recruit. He has earned the right to consider a life outside of Michigan and pursue his dream and if he feels that he has done all he wants at Michigan and wants to continue to develop in the league then so be it. The fans should support his choice regardless if we feel he needs another year or two (which I do) , as reacting any other way would be selfish on our behalf and I do not want to be known as a fanbase of crybabies and haters. Just thank the kid for his contributions, continue to support the players that are here and move on as we await the arrival of Derrick Walton.
Because it's theirs to make is a horrible philosophy and does them a disservice. If you care about someone it's your duty to tell them when they're being a horse's ass and try to keep them from making mistakes. Kids today already get too Mapuche moral and accomplishment equivalency. Sometimes they just need to be told they're wrong and making a mistake, and in the real word not everyone gets trophies; some get the D-League.
Leaving school to turn professional is a debateable decision, but calling it a bad one is a reach. This whole debate doesn't even exist outside the United States. Athletes in virtually every other country in the world turn pro often as early as 15 or 16 and no one bats an eyelash.
Not saying you have to stay 4 years. Even with the TO, I couldnt think of a reason for Chris Webber to return. Or Charles Woodson.
The difference is the value of a college degree and the potential earnings that entails over a minor league career. You go straight to the pros, you don't get that. For all those who say "you can go back and get your degree" are correct in theory, but for the vast majority, it doesn't happen.
Then we lost to Cornell last night.
If he doesn't wait a few weeks to announce he is leaving, I will freak out.
Unless Ty Isaac or Levenberry or Vanderdoes or Poggi or Treadwell commits before then.
Then I'll be OK.
of The Wolverine (though skip the hockey section). It has profiles of both the incoming BBall freshmen, and the 2013 FB commits. Snippets:
Nick Stauskas - "Stauskas, though, might be one of the most overlooked in this class (4*, #79 nationally)." After winning the New England Prep School title for his class, he insisted he'll work hard enough to earn playing time next year. "I'm ready to move on to Michigan. I know next year we (the freshmen) will be able to help out a lot. The national championship is a goal for this program now." He'll be on campus in June.
Pat Kugler - After showing only mild interest in Michigan, Kugler's visit in February seemed like a matter of convenience. He was scheduled to be at MSU's junior day the following afternoon. "However, by the time Kugler left Ann Arbor, he knew he couldn't picture himself playing for anyone else." Kugler: "We went up into the Big House, and that's what really sold me. Just seeing how big it is and thinking about what it would be like to play in front of 110,000 fans, that sold me on Michigan. They (the coaches) were saying 'It's Michigan', and that we hold ourselves to a higher standard both on and off the field. We'll contend for championships and also have success in the classroom."
I really hope Burke returns, and I support the kid fully either way. But after reading about all the great talent coming in, I feel just fine this morning.
I agree with Michfan4borw, myblueheaven and others that have indicated any players right to pursue their life after college. I, like most here, am fairly fanatical about my support for M and would hate to see Burke go. However, we have to keep in mind that he, like all of us, are going down the road that we believe leads to the life we want to live. The difference with athletes is that during their "preparation" for life, they also face injury risks that can end their dream in an instant. In many cases, these athletes are the best hope for a better life for a whole family as well.
At this point, Burke is only exploring options and evaluating opportunities. While I would hate to see him go and think it would be a mistake, I have NO problem with him trying to make an intelligent decision that is in the best interests of him and his family.
Finallly, lets keep in mind that he has worked his ass off to become what he is this year and by extension, brought a lot of us a ton of joy and pride in what M accomplished this year.
Burke can do what he wants but I would really prefer that he not shaft us so he can go play in the D-league
It depends on what you support, the program or the success. In the long run proud supporting fans are heard and there's a butterfly affect. Kids want to play where the coaches are genuine good guys. It stands to reason it would only help the cause if fans were genuine good guys.(and gals) Those that only support the success will throw their hissy fits. Michigan Men(and women) will support him because he is part of our family and move on. We don't know Trey personally and it's absurd to assume we know what is guiding his decision and what is best for him. We read blips and assume.
Trey needs to do what is in the best interest of Trey. At this point, I don't think he will be projected at the same level as DM (most saw him as a late 1st/early 2nd round pick). If h e is projected any later than that, I would think it would be in his best interest to stay in school at least one more year to try to improve his stock. But who knows. I wish him the best of luck whatever his decision.
And yes, a sizable portion of fans of any team at any level are fickle. If I had the ear of someone in Trey's position, I would tell him to be happy for any fan reaction whether positive or negative. The only time you have to worry is when there is no reaction, because that means you aren't in the game in any significant way.
He's not going anywhere.
I can't hear you. What did you say?
Well played, sir.
Graduating and getting a degree was apparently not on his list.
i dont understand the mentality that causes people to expect UM athletes to have the same priorities in life as they do.
Maybe he wanted to take summer courses and start making pay ASAP. If thats the case, do you Darius. You won't be beloved as a guy like D Rob or Mike Hart, who stayed out of love for this school...but you arent a bad person either.
It's just not that hard to see how if pro hoop is your goal school might feel like a distraction.
I also flat disagree with people who say that if you don't become an NBA star then you have failed--that's nonsense. DMo is doing what he loves to do--he'll do it in the D League, in Europe, or just maybe in the NBA, for a minute or an hour. He'll come away with more scratch than 99% of humanity makes in a lifetime and be able to say he followed his dream as far as he could.
And if he feels like it or needs to he'll acquire some additional knowledge or hone other skills in some educational setting after that.
You do realize that there is nothing stopping Morris from coming back to school down the road if he wants, right? All he's given up in that regard is a scholarship.
There is a difference between 'regretting' your decision and choosing another option if you had the choice again..
I don't believe that Darius would have chosen the NBA given what he knows now..
http://mgoblog.com/content/darius-morris-reportedly-staying-draft - this is the thread from last May made when Morris announced that he would be staying in the NBA draft. Not a preponderance of "the end is nigh" freaking out, as you will see. There is pointed disagreement with the decision (and righty so, in my opinion), but many people took the path of wishing him well and noting that there was talent coming that would soften the blow (names such as Trey Burke are floated about in the thread, oddly enough). I would think that, if Burke decided to go pro, you would likely see a similar distribution of comments.
However, I do agree with the sentiment of the OP, for it is a reminder that, in the end, these players are simply people trying to do what they believe is right, and that's what you would rather they do.
If I had anything to say about it, I would urge Trey to maybe get the evaluation as a baseline for what he might need to improve and to stay if for no other reason than to work on anything which came out of the evaluation (but obviously, you want kids to get the degree as well...ideally anyway).
I would love another year (or more) of Burke, but if it came to a point where he believed this was what he needed to do, then I would support the decision even if I didn't agree with it necessarily. Seeing what is coming down the line in 2012 and 2013, of course, I would also say that, in the long run, we could deal with either scenario potentially, although obviously Burke staying would be keeping a great asset and we definitely prefer that.
I point out the reaction to Morris' decision to show that, in such situations, we do generally support our Wolverines even if we think they should have done something different, so hopefully there isn't too much cause for worry on that front. That being said, all fanbases freak out over some issue now and again, but some simply do it with more wit, human understanding, introspection and general aplomb than others.
True. Then again, Mgoblog posters are a cut above the average fan.
Everyone should be able to do what's best for themselves and their families, and we as fans should continue to root for our former players even when they move on. But there are a few things that I believe are true, and none of them mean that I think these kids are bad people:
1. Neither D-Mo nor Manny were ready for the NBA at the time of their decisions, and Trey is not ready right now.
2. Saying that does not make me fickle, it does not make me selfish, and it does not mean I don't appreciate those players. It just means I think they're making a mistake. (not lumping Trey's decision into the mistake column, since he hasn't made it yet)
3. Deciding to leave early IS self-serving. If the team came first, you'd stay. I don't blame them for chasing a better situation one bit. I just left one job for another that paid more. That meant the people at my old workplace would have to work harder to get less done, but it was right for me. I just won't get offended if someone says that decision was all about me... It was.
4. I will freak out if Trey leaves early, "OMG! No Haz PG!" I will not remain calm, and I don't expect most of the fanbase to remain calm. I just hope we can be mature in how we handle the freakout. (avoid Trey's Twitter, for instance)
Freaking out is one thing...going all personal on a guy for making his decision is another. It doesn't change the decision, and it makes M fans look like tools.
...in re to his own decision last year, "I have no regrets — none at all. I did all I wanted to do at U-M, which was to rebuild the program and put it on the right foot and leave things better than when I got there."
Without question he was a part of the process and he helped but he did not rebuild the program and put it on the right foot. He did all he wanted to do at Michigan, good for him. I wish Morris no ill but he fell short of the sort of goals that inspire the affection of many fans and would have cemented him as a cornerstone in the rebuilding of the program...the embrace of the Michigan experience, the education, the team and the goals of champions.
About Darious's role in "rebuilding the program." I would say he was great for a year, but Zach and Stu played the bigger roles over time, and deserve credit and accolades for the long term improvement. But really, coaching and bringing in the right pieces will ultimately be what turns the program around.
to check his status and evaluate. I think he needs another year.
Frankly, I don't like the one and done rule, and it is pretty hard for fans to apply Michigan Man to someone who was there for a fleeting year. That said, a ton of effort goes into that year as well, and I've heard unlike football (where four years of college conditioning and coaching get a player to prime readiness for the NFL), a basketball player's peak years are younger, so the longer they stay in college, the shorter their earning years.
So, as it was with DMo, the situation is much more grey than the average fan would believe (stay or betray), and it is perfectly acceptable for Trey to check his status, and evaluate his future.
It is embarrassing when fans loose their class and go all judgemental on a kid for making a decision for their future. We aren't in their shoes. Obviously we all have opinions, but we don't need to get all ugly about it. I hope DMo's path shows Burke how tenuous leaving (this) early can be, but all will work out for Darious, and all will work out for Trey...even if fans think its not how it should go.
Don't act like a jerk.
For the record, I think Burke should stay, but just to stir the pot a little, what does he have to gain by staying? He's still going to be a 5-11 PG with good quickness and a quick trigger after next season. All of the weaknesses fans are pointing out will still be present next year, he's not going to grow, he's already pretty strong and very quick.
Now, what does he have to lose by staying? He could get hurt. He could regress with a more talented team around him and his numbers could drop significantly. GR3 needs the ball in his hands and you get the feeling the TH2 wants more shots too.
If he wants to play in the NBA he has a chance to do so now, I think it's a given he will get drafted in this draft. Next year is promised to no one. Michigan basketball gains a lot and risks nothing by him coming back, but what are the risks for Trey Burke? This could be the only chance he gets. I mean, it's not like Burke was a blue blood top 10 recruit, what he did this year was a little surprising to everyone, there's no guarantee that he'll improve his stock next year by staying at Michigan. These are the risks he's weighing.
That being said, I'd like to see him back, but he has to do what is best for him.
The weaknesses in TB's game have little to nothing to do with his size -- the factor that isn't going to change much -- and everything to do with the fact that his game is not completely polished. Yes, he could get hurt, that is true. But, this isn't football, career ending injuries aren't as prevalent and aren't something that should even factor into his decision making process, IMO.
What does he have to gain by staying?!? He could gain the physical and mental skills that would allow him to be an effective PG in the NBA. Right now, I don't think he's got a chance to be that, and he'd be doing himself a huge disservice by entering the draft.
This is his only chance?!? Barring a career ending injury or the like think he has a chance in 2013, 2014, and 2015. I think if TB were to stay, and really learn the nuances of the game, lead his team to more B10 Championships and quality NCAA tournament performances his stock will rise. I realize that the lure of money is very strong, but I feel strongly that TB will be a high first round pick only if he develops his game for at least another two seasons. The people who are advising him otherwise are doing so because they want him to make money, so they can take their cut. One could turn the sharp end of that stick onto Michigan fans that are telling him to stay, but I for one am saying that because I don't think he's ready, and will improve his stock if he stays.
As far as DMo saying he has no regrets. C'mon dude! How much money have you made? What is the likelihood that you're going to be in the NBA in 3 years? If you're going to make a statement, at least be honest. You thought you had the game that was going to make you millions, and you over estimated your ability. You didn't listen to Joe D, et. al., who told you to stay in school, get your degree, and continue to develop as a player. You didn't listen, and it is going to cost you. I love you, but you made the wrong decision. I've obviously never been in the position that these guys are in, but I think one has to be honest with themself and IMO, in more instances than not, the guys have a hugely inflated perception of how good they really are.
I like TB a great deal, and hope he stays. But more so, I hope the people close to him, those that are advising him, have the balls to tell him the truth -- he's not ready and to continue to work hard and be patient. The NBA isn't going anywhere.
We really don't know all the opportunities these kids have at the pro level. Sure, there is the draft and the contract that goes along with that, but a good player representative can find other streams of income for the player as well. The contract with the team may be the tip of the iceberg.
He should consider all of his options!
I can't imagine how frustrated Burke must be about his NBA prospects. The kid works like hell, undoubtedly has NBA skills, and yet he lacks the one thing that he can't affect - NBA height. The world can be cruel at times.
Nate Robinson, Chris Paul, Earl Boykins, Aaron Brooks. Theres a place in the NBA for real talent, no matter the size of the package.
Fans are always fickle when a back office or personal decision is made that impacts their team negatively. Its called fierce loyalty. DMo's decision was his decision. IMO its pretty sweet when you watch the NBA draft and see your PG going to the Lakers, regardless hes in the D-League now. Manny Fresh went back to D-League and is now with the Cavs again. It sucks when fans have to document (forever) their feelings towards a player like DMo. It hurts when your best players leave. Just ask Kentucky, their entire starting lineup will probably end up in the NBA by the end of their Sophomore year if not this year. I hope Trey stays but if I were him I would strongly consider it too, especially if I made 2nd Team All-American. I think were all mad we lost to Ohio and he is such a good player that he might leave when we were just getting back to being nationally recognized. How about trust that your Coach is going to keep making it happen an wish these guys the best. I mean DMo leaves, he gets Trey and now he goes out to Nevada looking at a possible replacement/depth guy for Trey in Della Valle. All Im saying is SHOW SOME LOVE!
Personally, I find it absurd that so many people get on their soap box and start preaching about how "this is Michigan", and that somehow Trey Burke owes us all something. I find this line of reasoning absolutely ridiculous. The only people Trey Burkes owes are his family and himself. I am assuming like most college athlethes (and students in general), that he does not come from the land of plenty.
No doubt, he is one of the most electrifying point guards in the country. As such, he is going to garner attention from the NBA, a dream for most NCAA basketball players. If he is told he is going to be drafted in the first round, he will be compensated with a guaranteed rookie contract worth at least a few millions dollars. That is financial security for life, not only for himself, but for his family. Yet somehow, he is selfish and has a higher duty bestowed by baby Jesus himself to make sure he plays four years for Michigan.
My point is, support him. We cannot understand his perspective because the prospect of millions of dollars dangling is just not real. After our freshman years, if we were told that we have a job waiting for us if we leave right now guaranteeing us at least a few million no matter what happens, do we turn it down? I say HELL NO, because I personally can aways go back to school after I have given myself financial security for life.
Plus, it takes only one awkward jump and landing to tear an ACL, and destroy his chance at ensuring he and his family will be taken care of forever.
I don't think TB owes Michigan anything. I think the TB owes it to himself to see how good he can get BEFORE he enters the draft. Yes, players can and do improve after they've gone pro, but then the clock is ticking. For a player like TB, college is a relatively stress free environment within which he can hone his game. When someone is writing you a check, they expect results -- put up or you're gone.
will last a 20 year old. He would have to live a pretty modest lifestyle to make that last over the next 60 to 70 years.
That he owes us nothing, but we owe him our support. You'd think either way, it'd be a two-way street.
But I don't think most begrudge him if most of the data says sure thing first round pick. It's those that there's very little evidence that that's the case, but only listen to what they want to here.
Morris was in the NBDL for a few games, but he's back with the lakers now where he has been most of the season making the league minimum of a bout $500,000, he's got some talent and will probably stick in the league IMO, he's not exactly bagging groceries, he's playing basketball every day with Kob Bryant and Paul Gasol, I think he's improvingjust by practiing with guys like that.
Everyone is ripping Morris, but he's got a chance to play in the NBA for a long time and he's learning from an all time great making good money and playing in his home town, I wouldn't feel so sorry for him.
My opinion on this is if a player is for sure pro-ready, I'll support him leaving. Like Woodson or Terrell. Or Henson because he was gauranteed millions. Those guys were at the top.
But when a guy leaves to barely get drafted, it's different to me. I don't sympathyize with that. I won't remember that guy as a great wolverine.
You left out a cautionary quote from Morris about Burke's possible lack of size. Reading the whole article, it sounds like Morris doesn't think Burke should declare. That wasn't nearly as clear in the OP here.
Yeah I'm sure Morris has no regrets. Hats off to him though for trying to present a strong front.
It would be easier to consider someone part of the family if they spent more than one year here.