Well played, sir.
Hoke was top notch at this aspect of his job.
Well played, sir.
Graduating and getting a degree was apparently not on his list.
i dont understand the mentality that causes people to expect UM athletes to have the same priorities in life as they do.
Maybe he wanted to take summer courses and start making pay ASAP. If thats the case, do you Darius. You won't be beloved as a guy like D Rob or Mike Hart, who stayed out of love for this school...but you arent a bad person either.
It's just not that hard to see how if pro hoop is your goal school might feel like a distraction.
I also flat disagree with people who say that if you don't become an NBA star then you have failed--that's nonsense. DMo is doing what he loves to do--he'll do it in the D League, in Europe, or just maybe in the NBA, for a minute or an hour. He'll come away with more scratch than 99% of humanity makes in a lifetime and be able to say he followed his dream as far as he could.
And if he feels like it or needs to he'll acquire some additional knowledge or hone other skills in some educational setting after that.
You do realize that there is nothing stopping Morris from coming back to school down the road if he wants, right? All he's given up in that regard is a scholarship.
There is a difference between 'regretting' your decision and choosing another option if you had the choice again..
I don't believe that Darius would have chosen the NBA given what he knows now..
http://mgoblog.com/content/darius-morris-reportedly-staying-draft - this is the thread from last May made when Morris announced that he would be staying in the NBA draft. Not a preponderance of "the end is nigh" freaking out, as you will see. There is pointed disagreement with the decision (and righty so, in my opinion), but many people took the path of wishing him well and noting that there was talent coming that would soften the blow (names such as Trey Burke are floated about in the thread, oddly enough). I would think that, if Burke decided to go pro, you would likely see a similar distribution of comments.
However, I do agree with the sentiment of the OP, for it is a reminder that, in the end, these players are simply people trying to do what they believe is right, and that's what you would rather they do.
If I had anything to say about it, I would urge Trey to maybe get the evaluation as a baseline for what he might need to improve and to stay if for no other reason than to work on anything which came out of the evaluation (but obviously, you want kids to get the degree as well...ideally anyway).
I would love another year (or more) of Burke, but if it came to a point where he believed this was what he needed to do, then I would support the decision even if I didn't agree with it necessarily. Seeing what is coming down the line in 2012 and 2013, of course, I would also say that, in the long run, we could deal with either scenario potentially, although obviously Burke staying would be keeping a great asset and we definitely prefer that.
I point out the reaction to Morris' decision to show that, in such situations, we do generally support our Wolverines even if we think they should have done something different, so hopefully there isn't too much cause for worry on that front. That being said, all fanbases freak out over some issue now and again, but some simply do it with more wit, human understanding, introspection and general aplomb than others.
True. Then again, Mgoblog posters are a cut above the average fan.
Everyone should be able to do what's best for themselves and their families, and we as fans should continue to root for our former players even when they move on. But there are a few things that I believe are true, and none of them mean that I think these kids are bad people:
1. Neither D-Mo nor Manny were ready for the NBA at the time of their decisions, and Trey is not ready right now.
2. Saying that does not make me fickle, it does not make me selfish, and it does not mean I don't appreciate those players. It just means I think they're making a mistake. (not lumping Trey's decision into the mistake column, since he hasn't made it yet)
3. Deciding to leave early IS self-serving. If the team came first, you'd stay. I don't blame them for chasing a better situation one bit. I just left one job for another that paid more. That meant the people at my old workplace would have to work harder to get less done, but it was right for me. I just won't get offended if someone says that decision was all about me... It was.
4. I will freak out if Trey leaves early, "OMG! No Haz PG!" I will not remain calm, and I don't expect most of the fanbase to remain calm. I just hope we can be mature in how we handle the freakout. (avoid Trey's Twitter, for instance)
Freaking out is one thing...going all personal on a guy for making his decision is another. It doesn't change the decision, and it makes M fans look like tools.
...in re to his own decision last year, "I have no regrets — none at all. I did all I wanted to do at U-M, which was to rebuild the program and put it on the right foot and leave things better than when I got there."
Without question he was a part of the process and he helped but he did not rebuild the program and put it on the right foot. He did all he wanted to do at Michigan, good for him. I wish Morris no ill but he fell short of the sort of goals that inspire the affection of many fans and would have cemented him as a cornerstone in the rebuilding of the program...the embrace of the Michigan experience, the education, the team and the goals of champions.
About Darious's role in "rebuilding the program." I would say he was great for a year, but Zach and Stu played the bigger roles over time, and deserve credit and accolades for the long term improvement. But really, coaching and bringing in the right pieces will ultimately be what turns the program around.
to check his status and evaluate. I think he needs another year.
Frankly, I don't like the one and done rule, and it is pretty hard for fans to apply Michigan Man to someone who was there for a fleeting year. That said, a ton of effort goes into that year as well, and I've heard unlike football (where four years of college conditioning and coaching get a player to prime readiness for the NFL), a basketball player's peak years are younger, so the longer they stay in college, the shorter their earning years.
So, as it was with DMo, the situation is much more grey than the average fan would believe (stay or betray), and it is perfectly acceptable for Trey to check his status, and evaluate his future.
It is embarrassing when fans loose their class and go all judgemental on a kid for making a decision for their future. We aren't in their shoes. Obviously we all have opinions, but we don't need to get all ugly about it. I hope DMo's path shows Burke how tenuous leaving (this) early can be, but all will work out for Darious, and all will work out for Trey...even if fans think its not how it should go.
Don't act like a jerk.
For the record, I think Burke should stay, but just to stir the pot a little, what does he have to gain by staying? He's still going to be a 5-11 PG with good quickness and a quick trigger after next season. All of the weaknesses fans are pointing out will still be present next year, he's not going to grow, he's already pretty strong and very quick.
Now, what does he have to lose by staying? He could get hurt. He could regress with a more talented team around him and his numbers could drop significantly. GR3 needs the ball in his hands and you get the feeling the TH2 wants more shots too.
If he wants to play in the NBA he has a chance to do so now, I think it's a given he will get drafted in this draft. Next year is promised to no one. Michigan basketball gains a lot and risks nothing by him coming back, but what are the risks for Trey Burke? This could be the only chance he gets. I mean, it's not like Burke was a blue blood top 10 recruit, what he did this year was a little surprising to everyone, there's no guarantee that he'll improve his stock next year by staying at Michigan. These are the risks he's weighing.
That being said, I'd like to see him back, but he has to do what is best for him.
The weaknesses in TB's game have little to nothing to do with his size -- the factor that isn't going to change much -- and everything to do with the fact that his game is not completely polished. Yes, he could get hurt, that is true. But, this isn't football, career ending injuries aren't as prevalent and aren't something that should even factor into his decision making process, IMO.
What does he have to gain by staying?!? He could gain the physical and mental skills that would allow him to be an effective PG in the NBA. Right now, I don't think he's got a chance to be that, and he'd be doing himself a huge disservice by entering the draft.
This is his only chance?!? Barring a career ending injury or the like think he has a chance in 2013, 2014, and 2015. I think if TB were to stay, and really learn the nuances of the game, lead his team to more B10 Championships and quality NCAA tournament performances his stock will rise. I realize that the lure of money is very strong, but I feel strongly that TB will be a high first round pick only if he develops his game for at least another two seasons. The people who are advising him otherwise are doing so because they want him to make money, so they can take their cut. One could turn the sharp end of that stick onto Michigan fans that are telling him to stay, but I for one am saying that because I don't think he's ready, and will improve his stock if he stays.
As far as DMo saying he has no regrets. C'mon dude! How much money have you made? What is the likelihood that you're going to be in the NBA in 3 years? If you're going to make a statement, at least be honest. You thought you had the game that was going to make you millions, and you over estimated your ability. You didn't listen to Joe D, et. al., who told you to stay in school, get your degree, and continue to develop as a player. You didn't listen, and it is going to cost you. I love you, but you made the wrong decision. I've obviously never been in the position that these guys are in, but I think one has to be honest with themself and IMO, in more instances than not, the guys have a hugely inflated perception of how good they really are.
I like TB a great deal, and hope he stays. But more so, I hope the people close to him, those that are advising him, have the balls to tell him the truth -- he's not ready and to continue to work hard and be patient. The NBA isn't going anywhere.
We really don't know all the opportunities these kids have at the pro level. Sure, there is the draft and the contract that goes along with that, but a good player representative can find other streams of income for the player as well. The contract with the team may be the tip of the iceberg.
He should consider all of his options!
I can't imagine how frustrated Burke must be about his NBA prospects. The kid works like hell, undoubtedly has NBA skills, and yet he lacks the one thing that he can't affect - NBA height. The world can be cruel at times.
Nate Robinson, Chris Paul, Earl Boykins, Aaron Brooks. Theres a place in the NBA for real talent, no matter the size of the package.
Fans are always fickle when a back office or personal decision is made that impacts their team negatively. Its called fierce loyalty. DMo's decision was his decision. IMO its pretty sweet when you watch the NBA draft and see your PG going to the Lakers, regardless hes in the D-League now. Manny Fresh went back to D-League and is now with the Cavs again. It sucks when fans have to document (forever) their feelings towards a player like DMo. It hurts when your best players leave. Just ask Kentucky, their entire starting lineup will probably end up in the NBA by the end of their Sophomore year if not this year. I hope Trey stays but if I were him I would strongly consider it too, especially if I made 2nd Team All-American. I think were all mad we lost to Ohio and he is such a good player that he might leave when we were just getting back to being nationally recognized. How about trust that your Coach is going to keep making it happen an wish these guys the best. I mean DMo leaves, he gets Trey and now he goes out to Nevada looking at a possible replacement/depth guy for Trey in Della Valle. All Im saying is SHOW SOME LOVE!
Personally, I find it absurd that so many people get on their soap box and start preaching about how "this is Michigan", and that somehow Trey Burke owes us all something. I find this line of reasoning absolutely ridiculous. The only people Trey Burkes owes are his family and himself. I am assuming like most college athlethes (and students in general), that he does not come from the land of plenty.
No doubt, he is one of the most electrifying point guards in the country. As such, he is going to garner attention from the NBA, a dream for most NCAA basketball players. If he is told he is going to be drafted in the first round, he will be compensated with a guaranteed rookie contract worth at least a few millions dollars. That is financial security for life, not only for himself, but for his family. Yet somehow, he is selfish and has a higher duty bestowed by baby Jesus himself to make sure he plays four years for Michigan.
My point is, support him. We cannot understand his perspective because the prospect of millions of dollars dangling is just not real. After our freshman years, if we were told that we have a job waiting for us if we leave right now guaranteeing us at least a few million no matter what happens, do we turn it down? I say HELL NO, because I personally can aways go back to school after I have given myself financial security for life.
Plus, it takes only one awkward jump and landing to tear an ACL, and destroy his chance at ensuring he and his family will be taken care of forever.
I don't think TB owes Michigan anything. I think the TB owes it to himself to see how good he can get BEFORE he enters the draft. Yes, players can and do improve after they've gone pro, but then the clock is ticking. For a player like TB, college is a relatively stress free environment within which he can hone his game. When someone is writing you a check, they expect results -- put up or you're gone.
will last a 20 year old. He would have to live a pretty modest lifestyle to make that last over the next 60 to 70 years.
That he owes us nothing, but we owe him our support. You'd think either way, it'd be a two-way street.
But I don't think most begrudge him if most of the data says sure thing first round pick. It's those that there's very little evidence that that's the case, but only listen to what they want to here.
Morris was in the NBDL for a few games, but he's back with the lakers now where he has been most of the season making the league minimum of a bout $500,000, he's got some talent and will probably stick in the league IMO, he's not exactly bagging groceries, he's playing basketball every day with Kob Bryant and Paul Gasol, I think he's improvingjust by practiing with guys like that.
Everyone is ripping Morris, but he's got a chance to play in the NBA for a long time and he's learning from an all time great making good money and playing in his home town, I wouldn't feel so sorry for him.
My opinion on this is if a player is for sure pro-ready, I'll support him leaving. Like Woodson or Terrell. Or Henson because he was gauranteed millions. Those guys were at the top.
But when a guy leaves to barely get drafted, it's different to me. I don't sympathyize with that. I won't remember that guy as a great wolverine.
You left out a cautionary quote from Morris about Burke's possible lack of size. Reading the whole article, it sounds like Morris doesn't think Burke should declare. That wasn't nearly as clear in the OP here.
Yeah I'm sure Morris has no regrets. Hats off to him though for trying to present a strong front.
It would be easier to consider someone part of the family if they spent more than one year here.