Tressel knew of violations 8 months pryor?
Per Yahoo! Sports
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel was informed that several Buckeyes players were selling memorabilia more than eight months before the school claims it was made aware of the scheme, a two-month Yahoo! Sports investigation has found.
Tressel received information that players were selling items to Edward Rife – the owner of Fine Line Ink Tattoos in Columbus – as early as April 2010, according to a source. However, neither Ohio State nor the NCAA investigated the transactions or the players’ relationship with Rife until December 2010, when the school claims it was informed of the situation by the local United States Attorney’s office.
I just had to rewatch that episode.
Is it too late for Pryor to declare for the CFL draft?
frickin scum bags!!!!
This is a tremendous help to the conversation.
frickin scum bags!!!!
Now you're just being mean.
From his name is a Michigan fan trapped in Ohio. I mean, imagine that! You have to forgive him (or her?) for occassional lapses into ALL CAPS ANGAR every now and again.
It's ok BlueInOhio, let it out . . . just let it all out.
Was this headline in the human interest section with "Water Houseplants When Soil Is Dry"?
I just had a horrible, horrible thought!
Say this all turns out to be true, and in order to try and spare themselves MASSIVE NCAA penalties (And don't kid yourselves, this would be huge), OSU says, "We didn't know ANYTHING about it! It's all his fault! *Points at Tressel*", and cans him.
Yes, OSU probably takes a big hit and falls off their tower and we can beat them. Yay. Problem.
We never actually beat Tressel to knock him down. He defeated himself. Then, for the rest of the eternity of all time FOREVER, we have to put up with every friggin Buckstache on the planet saying turning Tressel into some sort of a martyr. "All praise the indefeatable Tressel! Just one loss against M while he was still establishing his program!" "You only started winning again because of the penalties! Paper champions!" etc, etc, etc.
I hate OSU, but generally, they are less annoying than many Sparties. ... They won't be after all this happens. IF this happens, we will never really beat them again, according to them. There'll always be some bullshit excuse.
we've beaten tressel under carr. i hope he get's canned tomorrow, the frickin scum bag!
So you're saying you think Tressel is a "frickin' scum bag" then?
......a Buckeye fan after the fifth straight thumping by the boys in Blue.....
"Things just haven't been the same since the horse broke its leg and the AD shot it....."
I love it. Now I almost hope it goes down this way just so I can hear somebody actually say it.
Who cares? If this is really true, and the NCAA does actually do something, and it is actually deservingly big, then all the whinning in the world wouldn't matter. Their arguments wouldn't have a leg to stand on, because all of the "winning" can be called in to question because of cheating. They could piss and moan, but no one would believe them (including themselves), and all they would have is the crushing knowledge that their golden savior was nothing but a fraud. I would have no problem stepping on their throat after that.
Their golden savior is a fraud - and I do want to step on their throad. Please be true...
Scoreboard.
...for OSU coaches who beat Michigan to go down in flames. IIRC, Tressel's just the fourth OSU head coach with a winning record against Michigan. The first three left dishonorably. Frances Schmidt beat U-M 4 times in a row, then lost the next three, then quit before OSU could fire him, moved West and apparently ended up a whimpering mess. We all know why Woody was fired. And Earl Bruce was 4-4, and would have been 4-5, except that he got fired a week before the U-M game and his team sent him off with a win.
So it's not out of the question that something bad could befall a guy with a winning record against Michigan.
So how exactly did Earle Bruce go down in flames?
He won his last game at OSU, beating Michigan and leaving with a 5-4 record.
To say he would have been 4-5 except his team that last game won seems ridiculous. And hardly going down in flames.
"You only started winning again because of the penalties! Paper champions!"
Don't worry. If that argument worked we'd have used it against Sparty in basketball arguments and never stopped.
Trust me, nothing will come of this. Nothing. Tressel will quote a bible verse, flash a sincere look at the cameras, and skate, like he has every time before.
Great article from Wetzel in 2007:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-tressel010707
"...on goes Jim Tressel, saint or snake, teacher or cheater, reality almost assuredly falling somewhere in between. "
"When Tressel be blessing, the devil be messing"?
in the name of Bo, I hope this is the one that finally sticks
revokes osu's season, i for one will remember the last game being UM 44 OSU 12.
gonna start remembering it the way i want to remember it now.
Does anyone really think this is such a big deal? A little sleazy, sure. But no competitive advantage.
See Bush, Reggie. Five, Fab.
It compares with those
Both are cases where the NCAA said the coaches/schools should have known what went on. That's why penalties were so severe in both cases.
In this case, Tressel would have known what went on (if the story is true).
Yahoo! Sports may be the final bastion of actual investigative journalism in sports. ESPN has decided to go the way of the irrelevant sound bite and SI is quickly becoming irrelevant. If Yahoo! hires Andy Staples, watch out, he and Dr Saturday will be the only interesting MSM (sort of) reads for college football on the net.
This was my feeling before dropping the shoe on OSU. SI's big breaking news story this offseason was an expose showing that college athletes commit crimes at a rate similar to the population at-large. ESPN has some awesome movies about the past, like Pony Excess and what I hope to be an amazing Fab Five documentary, but that's it. I've quit watching SportsCenter.
Tressel=Scumbag
I hate Ohio State more than ANY of you, but Tressel is the antithesis of a scumbag.
Did you conveniently choose to forget the violations that occurred during his Youngstown State days?
he's an osu slappy
thought. look at his trollish and unctuous posting throughout. Hear ye hear ye...we have a Nut Slapper on our board
your post is
I have a hard time believing this statement. Isn't hating all things associated with the schools you hate regardless of rationality part of fandom? This is why I choose to believe that Tressel is the reason my childhood dog died. I hate him every day for it.
Is this even a problem under NCAA rules? Do you have to report known violations ASAP?
Unfortunately, it seems like something that will become a non-story like... tomorrow.
Yes. If (IF) this were to be true, OSU could and probably would fire Tressel with cause. He would likely have at least a show-cause penalty attached after the NCAA was finished.
This is really serious stuff if they can prove it.
It's absolutely a huge problem if true because if the raid by the FBI never happened and the memorabilia wasn't found but it was still known by the coaches or just Tressel it shows that they weren't going to say anything about this. You can't keep your mouth shut on something until you're caught then explain what happen and expect the same consequences for your actions.
And seeing as how the NCAA tried to pin a "failure to promote" charge on RR for essentially filling out forms incorrectly, with no malicious intent, I think the NCAA would do far worse to a coach that played a season while having doubts about five starters eligibility.
I believe they really frown upon lying to or omitting things from the NCAA during an investigation. This is what has Bruce Pearl ( basketball coach) in so much trouble at Tennessee. He had a cookout he knew was against the rules at his house and told the players what he was doing was illegal so don't say anything about it. Then when the NCAA showed him pictures that were taken at his home and asked if he knew where they were taken he said no. Then they showed him a picture of a lady in his home and asked if he knew who it was again he replied no. It was the wife of one of his assistants. He was turned in by Aaron Craft (yes that Aaron Craft). The SEC made Pearl sit out the first 8 SEC games this season, but the school expects there to be much more piled on when the NCAA investigation is complete. Omitting things or lying to the NCAA has serious consequences and if they have any consistency Tressel will get smacked down.
Lying to the NCAA in an investigation is a really big deal. See also Herron, Alex.
Bottom line: As someone said over at Eleven Warriors:
"There are many coaches I could see this easily from. While some of Vestie is certainly facade, the core of what is presented is true.
Bluntly stated, he isn't that damn stupid."
FWIW, I agree. I have a hard time believing that Tressel tucked away information that was at all credible. It simply would cost him too much.
It is good to see some sanity in this discussion. NO WAY Tressel did what is alleged.
Lay off the coffee and the red Kool-aid.
Honestly, this is the reason why I have trouble believing the story is true. Did Tressel want an NC run so bad that he would try and sweep it under the rug and hope it would go away? He has to know that in today's day and age, things like that don't just go away. Information sticks around forever now. Something this big cannot be easily explained away, and he would know that.
Tressel, while hated by many, is a good man. No way he would do what is being made up.
There is NO way Jim Tressel would sacrifice his legacy, reputation, etc. for some nonsense like that. Never believe writers who won't name sources.
Are you familiar with his past at Youngstown State?
I actually am not. Is there any concrete evidence of violations there?