Even Johnny Cochrane and his chewbacca defense couldn't save Tressel now
This is maaaaybe premature there, ESPN. Maryland #1 FWIW.
Even Johnny Cochrane and his chewbacca defense couldn't save Tressel now
Never underestimate the Chewbacca defense, it will cost you dearly.
If the vest don't fit, you must acquit.
TERRELLE PRYOR IS A WOOKIE. NCAA BYLAWS DO NOT PREVENT WOOKIES FROM RECEIVING BENEFITS. THEREFORE, MY CLIENT IS INNOCENT
Tressel knows the Hurricane is coming, and he's putting his storm windows in. Until this point, I wasn't sure Tressel fully appreciated the trouble he and OSU are truly in.
The Vest may not appreciate the situation but I sure do. I laugh every time I thnk about it.
is also an OSU graduate.
Surprised by that?
Surprised that Ohio State graduated somebody from their law school who actually was able to pass the Bar Exam and practice law? Yes. Yes I am.
he did his undergrad at OSU, not his JD.
Very well. Surprised that an OSU undergrad was able to get accepted into and graduate from law school? Yep, still surprised.
did you go to law school?
Michigan College of Engineering. Class of '93.
You are a smart man/woman. Law school is for idiots (like this guy) that couldn't think of anything better to do with their time. We are now stuck doing things like defend a-holes like Jim Tressel.
one dog licking another dog's butt.
The evidence is pretty damning right now.
I guess you could mount a "momentary lapse of judgement defense" before signing the NCAA affidavit back in December. I don't know man.
Tressel is probably preparing to obtain all he can from his employer based on his March 2010 contract extension to 2014.
So you're saying he's probably getting the new RX for glasses that he's needed for a while, and those fillings he never got around to before?
There's no way to know how good the evidence is without seeing it yourself. This is far from a sure thing. We will wait and see though.
we've seen a lot of it: the emails, the forms, etc.
I'm sure the Vest sealed the deal by offering Marsh a really great deal on a car.
cromulent is the best username i've ever seen.
may have bigger fish to fry. This may be the beginning of criminal defense strategy as opposed to the NCAA. If his character is close to what it appears to be, he is eventually going to have to answer for those dead bodies in his basement.
Thinks Tressel doesn't have a shot in hell.
Gene Marsh was Michigan's attorney in our NCAA investigation. The LIghtfoot firm was hired by Bill Martin.
Gene Marsh performed brilliantly as our attorney.
And he got his BA and MS degrees from OSU. Got his law degree from George Washington U. I think.
You guys are acting like dumbshit sports fans. Please try to grow up and be a little more intelligent.
We are all just savoring the deliciousness, that an OSU grad is the only person that would take this case on. Michigan could have had any number of individuals representing us, seeing that it was not a serious infraction.
When you find yourself in a hole, best thing is to stop digging...
Gene Marsh isn't "an OSU grad [who] is the only person that [sic] would take this case on..." He's probably the best attorney in the world for this kind of representation.
The one and only thing that I found ironic was that Gene Marsh already publicly commented on the case, in an interview in the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Now he can easily clear that "conflict" such as it may be with the client who so dearly wants the attorney to represent him. In fact, the only thing I don't really understand is why Gene Marsh wasn't hired by OSU and/or Tressel two months ago.
interview didn't really create any conflict with his representation; Marsh basically said that if he was still on the committee, he wouldn't issue a show-cause or come down too harshly because this is an isolated incident that is out of character for Tressel.
But if in fact Gene Marsh had been retained at that time, he wouldn't have been giving interviews to Doug Lesmerises. It was generally a very favorable interview. I remember reading it at the time, and thinking, "Wow, why is Gene Marsh even doing this? Why isn't he retained by OSU?"
I do agree with the implication that hiring this attorney is a sign of nothing. Innocent people and guilty people both want good attorneys.
I wish it were possible to rate your post as both informative AND flamebait...
You get it; I INTENDED it as informative and flamebait.
As General George S. "Bo Schembechler" Patton once said, "Give it to 'em loud and dirty, and that way they remember it..."
You are all such complete idiots.
This is your response and you are telling us to grow up?
It feels weird to say this.
I 100% agree with Section 1.
I'd never go the route of "stupid, idiots, etc." I could write it straight, and you'd get it. People can disagree with me, hate on me, that's fine. But what's true is true. I see people still going off on Gene Marsh, on the second page of this thread. Makes you really wonder whether people understand anything that they read.
Gene not being involved in this somehow, would almost be as bad as Clarence Darrow not being associated with a schools right to teach evolution.
Was he hired to represent Tressel or OSU? In a situation like this, each will likely have their own representation.
If a perfect storm arises in the proceedings, the athletic department might be forced to choose between defending their honor and defending Senator Sweater Vest. If they're forced to throw him under the bus to save themselves, meltdown will ensue and his tenure is all but over.
Is what we like to call, BEST CASE SCENARIO!
Disclaimer: I am fully aware that in the end, a descimated OSU program would be harmful to UM. That being said however, I will still largely enjoy the day that the hammer gets dropped on them.
Of course they will both have counsel. The same way that The University of Michigan was represented by Gene Marsh and Bill King of Lightfoot Franklin & White, and Rich Rodriguez was represented by Scott Tompsett of Kansas City in NCAA Case No. M-324.
Did I say they wouldn't have separate councils? I think you're using the term "ignorant" a bit too much. Like others have said, I think you're taking this all a bit too seriously. Maybe you should look at this like everyone else is today, as a laugh. I grew up in a family of lawyers, and spent a great deal of time listening to my father discuss the fine points of the law with my Uncle, who was in the public defenders office in Birmingham, Alabama for thirty years.
I am using the term "ignorant" because I thought I had used up every "stupid," "idiotic" and "moronic."
But I am so glad that you know some lawyers and, like, talked to them.
That you appear to be personally insulted by all of this.
Any real supporter of Michigan football who has read the complete responses in NCAA Case No. M-324, would be profoundly grateful to Gene Marsh and Bill King and everyone at Lightfoot.
But the people who led off this thread were making fun of them.
I exchanged e-mail with Bill King and Gene Marsh when our responses were filed. Gene Marsh told me that I "should be very proud of [my] University." Crap like the beginning of this thread is one of those things that occasionally undercut my pride in my University.
I am sorry that I am painfully unaware of the legal history of Gene Marsh. I do appreciate what you're saying, and I didn't seek to offend you or David Brandon for that matter. Obviously no one here has put forth the time and effort to research this particular subject as you have, and we all bow to your vast knowledge of the ins and outs of Gene Marsh.
First, it was a question. If you have the answer, enlighten us. Second, you agreed that I was right.
It's annoying enough to have to tolerate your endless tirades against the Freep. Making dickish and unwarranted attacks against board posters just because you are having a bad day is unnacceptable.
I think most people assumed OSU would hire Gene Marsh to help with this. He did a great job for us and makes perfect sense given his experience at the NCAA and connections to OSU. It is even possible Marsh has done prior work for OSU or is on a regular retainer to advise them on NCAA matters as they arise.
If Gene Marsh has been hired specifically to represent Tressel, that's somewhat of a twist. It means Tressel knows he is in deep shit and probably also means there is no major rift between Tressel and OSU. I doubt Gene Marsh would represent Tressel without OSU's blessing. If he has representated OSU in the past, representing Tressel in this matter even could be a conflict of interest. In that case, OSU would have to formally waive that conflict before Marsh could take the Tressel representation.
The best part is that I wonder who is paying for the lawyer's services (this guy ain't billion out at $400 an hour) and isn't alone (he'll have a hugh legal team).
At best, it's the tax payers of Ohio (those who pay his salary) and at worst, it's the same boosters that hooked up tat-gate and the other freebies.
As an aside, I love how OSU is handling this. They are saying FU NCAA, you can't do sh*t to OSU or JT and you know it. Don't mess with us. It's better than DB holding his tail between his legs and paying for an independent investigation.
Defend yourself, damnit!
By every objective sign I can see, OSU is following pretty much exactly the same course of legal defense that Michigan did. Right down to the choice of the same lawyer, in a sense.
I don't know exactly who might be paying the Lightfoot Franklin bill, but your comment that "the tax payers of Ohio" is as moronic as the the people who complained about legal bills to defend "DickRod." It is hard to even know where to begin in trying to explain things to some of you.
Does the mere mention of "Ohio State" lower your IQ's by 80 points?
I would contend that calling everyone idiots, saying they're blabbing out their ass, another moronic comment, etc. isn't exactly contributing anything to this conversation. I normally like what you write, and maybe you're just having a bad day, but everything you've written in this thread comes across as pissy and pretentious. Not sayin', just sayin'.
Clearly, the people posting were clueless about who Gene Marsh is, what his history is, what Lightfoot Franklin does, and how they had assisted the Univeristy of Michigan.
Assuredly, if David Brandon had read a thread that carried on like that for many more posts, it would be a complete embarassment. Brandon worked so closely with Lightfoot lawyers, he told me he had spent more time on Case M-324, than on a billion-dollar IPO.
This is supposed to be an intelligent discussion board. Not MLive.com or Freep.com.
I entirely agree with you that this should be an intelligent discussion board. That said, the following quotes from yourself seem to be more appropriate for MLive.com or Freep.com:
"You are all such complete idiots."
"You guys are acting like dumbshit sports fans."
"Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Or are you just blabbing out of your ass?"
"Another stupid comment."
"I am using the term "ignorant" because I thought I had used up every "stupid," "idiotic" and "moronic.""
"Does the mere mention of "Ohio State" lower your IQ's by 80 points?"
"It is hard to even know where to begin in trying to explain things to some of you."
Despite the fact that previous posters may have been unaware of Gene Marsh's contributions to Michigan's own NCAA case, your personal attacks are unwarranted and unnecessary.
people didn't even know, or recollect, who Gene Marsh is.
So the initial, low-humor attacks on him offended me. Greatly. To wit:
If I shut down a thread that was headed in that direction, I consider it a pretty good day.
I understand Section's comment. I don't agree with him as it pertains to Michigan's situation for a couple reasons. But, I too, thought the comment about who's paying was moronic. Tressel's paying with his salary. Which, yes was paid to him by a public university. How is that any different than an assistant coach defending a dui charge with his salary? And, if OSU ispaying for his defense, which it may be, it's because he bargained for that in his contract.
As for OSU"s strategy, though, I don't agree. Brandon knew exactly what he was doing. He knew what the charges were, and had a very very good idea what the ncaa would do and self imposed accordingly.
OSU is not doing that. They have covered it up (tried anyway). Have failed to self report additional issues (cargate). Not only does it appear that OSU has failed to police itself and then self report, but the violations themselves are much more significant.
OSU could take two paths. The first to self impose very serious sanctions, which they are likely not prepared to do. One of those woud be Tressel's resignation. However, if Tressel is terminated, will OSU be afraid of how far up knowledge of this stuff went?
On the other hand they could vigorously defend. The risks seem great, though. The ncaa has already said bigger penalties are looming for offenders, and if there is a defense shown false, it's more likely than not that the NCAA would impose harsher sanctions than if the univesity had brought forth information and suggested meaningful sanctions itself.
I would not want to be Gordon Gee right now.
What did OSU (not Tressel) cover up? You do realize that Brandon and Smith consulted with the same people regarding penalties right? They don't just make stuff up.
It would not be at all unusual for OSU to pay for both its own attorneys and for Tressel's attorneys. It is possible there is a provision in Tressel's contract requiring OSU to pay such bills. Even absent such a provision, a successful defense by Tressel is important to OSU. It is in OSU's own interest for Tressel to have the best possible representation, even if the school has to pay some or all of his legal bills.
I'm not sure why Section 1 is getting dinged here.
I know it's difficult to have a good conversation when Ohio State is involved, but Section 1 is exactly right. OSU is following the exact same course as Michigan did, including using the same lawfirms for both the initial self imposed penalty, and now the NCAA defense.
Imagining the OSU athetic department as a bunch of half-orcs is funny to an extent, but to actually believe it, as some people do, isn't mgoblog worthy in my opinion.
He is calling people "stupid", "idiots" and all sorts of other names. I do not tolerate that from my 8 year old, and the respectful and friendly community of posters on this board should not have to tolerate it from some pompous ass hiding behind a computer.
you do let your 8 year old call people that you disagree with a "pompous ass" though.....
The title of the post led me to assume he hired this guy
I just like the fact that on his bio he does not state that he went to "The Ohio State University" just "Ohio State"
can't imagine life without OSU and plans to go down swinging. Good. Prolong the agony, Tress. And appeal your appeal. And make them fire you rather than resign. Let's see here, what am I overlooking? Oh yeah, spill the beans on all and sundry as you go down! That oughta do it.
You gotta hand it to him. If you gonna cheat.... Be a rich cheat who can make you belive though a fancy lawyer cheating makes you a victum..... And why hasnt every one else caught up? Tressel was once quoted as saying..... It isn't a lie if you belive it. NCAA though his Lawyer do you belive It?
has finally met its match and it is you.
to Rosetta Stone and it caused a system malfunction.
He should have hired the Caveman Lawyer. He doesn't know how this crazy thing that sends and receives messages over a box with a screen works, but he does know that Tressel is innocent.
Marsh is the guy who helped Michigan through our thing as well, by the way.
Still, this applies:
Doesn't matter. Tressel AND their AD will be ousted by August. Mark my words. It is through very inside info through someone who's in direct contact with the OSU program that I know this.
Nobody can save Tressel now except himself by stepping down.