this was just rt'ed by angelique
this was just rt'ed by angelique
Unless it's to rule some basketball players ineligible.....
Ineligible for the first 7 games next season for infractions which occurred 3 months ago. They will be permitted to play in the tournament.
Fry their asses, please.
I saw that too. It's an odd wording, because I thought they were ruling on Tressel since they already ruled on the tatter's.
This can't be on the Tressel thing right? Less than 2 weeks to investigate and rule??!! If so, slap on wrist.
It's going to be on OSU's appeal for the the five.
It'll be reduced to two games and they are only going to have to repay 1/16 of the money they made last year.
We can only hope Justin.
They have already been investigatin it because OSU "self reported" it to them a while ago, or made them aware of a pending self-report or something.
but the 5 game suspension was an ncaa ruling and ended, i agree that it's probably the decision to open the appeal or dismiss it, in which case, given tressel they should definitely not back down
/Cool story bro.
Tat five out all season and vacate all wins from last season. Yes plz.
I'm really not a fan of the vacate wins thing. I'm going to remember that Michigan lost to OSU. Vacating the wins doesn't change that for me.
Thank you. Everyone knows we won the Sugar Bowl. Everyone knows the Fab 5 went to the Final Four twice. The NCAA saying it didn't happen is a waste of time, I watched it, I have the t-shirt dammit!
The only reason I would argue for them to be vacated is for overall record type purposes. Winning while cheating shouldn't be counted as winning.
Agreed. The Sugar Bowl probably wouldn't have been won by tsio without the players who should've been suspended at that point; just as we wouldn't have gotten to the Final Four without the players who should've been suspended at one point or another.
I almost always agree with you, but the knowledge that Tressel knew his players were ineligible means the game should definitely be vacated and maybe even forfeited. Vacating wins is normally pretty silly, because everyone who was at the game saw what happened and pretending it didn't is pointless. But you guys shouldn't get to brag about a win that came about because your coach orchestrated a cover-up and made a deal with the devil to get his players on the field. That's unfathomable.
I 'snort' of thought that Ryan Mallet lost it more than you won it!
But hey, I guess everyone nose it right?
I know an increased suspension of the Tat 5 would help us, and I believe the players should be suspended, but in light of the new evidence of what Tressel did, I think their suspension should be and will be reduced, or at least remain the same. I think they did what they did because of Tressel's lack of discipline and integrity. I blame him a lot more than I blame the players now.
Yeah, I have no idea what the usual punishment is for this kind of thing. 5 games actually sounds pretty reasonable.
As far as vacating wins, it doesn't really matter. The more egg on their faces the better though.
Didn't AJ Greene of UGA get 4 games for selling his jersey? If so, I'd expect the NCAA to uphold.
Find MAJOR major violations and vacate their seasons from 2004-2010.
Sounds like the NCAA upholds the decision on the 5 game suspensions. No reductions
And the results are in: 5 game suspension upheld.
If the players get 5 then Tressel MUST be fired for his flat out lying to the NCAA and OSU.
Glad the suspensions stand. This could be an indication that bad things are coming for Tressel. HALOL!
BREAKING NEWS: Source says Tressel asks for and receives same 5-game penalty as 5 #Buckeyes in tattoo/memorabilia scandal. dispatch.com
BINGO: and the NCAA has sold out again. Ineligible players for a whole season and no vacated wins. Oh yeah, an ineligble player in a national championship player and no vacated championship. Lovely
EDIT: okay I wrote that after reading the tweet and not the story. No NCAA decision on Tressel, only on the Tat5. Speculation resumes.
Whew! I was worried they were letting Tress off scot free for this one. So 5-game suspension for Tress + the Tat Five, plus ongoing investigation.
They won't receive much.
it's smart pr because now that tressel has had his mea culpa, the ncaa can only look like the bad guy.
I doubt the NCAA will come off to anyone outside of Columbus as the bad guy for punishing a liar.
This is equivalent to a murderer caught red-handed and saying "OK, OK, I'll take 90 days probation. Wait, that not good enough? How about 6 months?"
I'm sure OSU has persuaded itself that this is good PR, but all it does is make it look more incompetent to police itself.
So is a coach not allowed to be at practices for a 5 game suspension? It seems like suspending a coach is weak if he's done a good job empowering his assistants.
Also, doesn't this mean that Tressel is admitting guilt in all of this and is now bidding against himself to try and dissuade the NCAA from taking harsher action?
So, OSU says Tressel will be suspended for spring practice + 2 games. Then zoink!, no, just 2 games. And now, hey, St. Jimmy says that he thinks it's fair if he's penalized the same as the players. OSU is letting ITS COACH SET THE PENALTY. Combined with Gee's comments, where is the institutional control? There is none. Not to mention that OSU can't get its shit straight over what it thinks a fair penalty should be.
You are a gentleman and a scholar.
It would be hilarious if OSU got hit with lack of institutional control because they let their coach set his punishment, and not for the violations the punishment was for.
The NCAA needs to penalize OSU's program in a meaningful and appropriate manner, one that shows the program that it cannot play fast and loose with the rules.
Why not vacate wins? Because we already lived through those games and by doing so, the NCAA is just doing a bad photoshop job. It's not like other teams gain wins for vacated losses. Even if funny stuff was going on at the time, OSU still won those games...we all watched it happen. What's done is done; you can't change the past, only the future.
Why not the early season suspensions? Because this is what OSU wants the NCAA to choose. So what if OSU loses 1 out of 5? Or even 2 out of 5? They'll still go to a decent pay-day bowl game, still finish respectfully in the Big 10, and even still have a chance to win it. In other words, there will be few to no meaningful repercussions to the program for having violated NCAA bylaws.
So what's the solution? Follow the USC sanctions, though in all likelihood with less severity. USC had wins vacated, lost 30 scholarships over 3 years and got a 2-year postseason ban. I'd scrap the vacated wins, as per argument above, and do this:
1. Penalize OSU by 24 scholarships over 3 years (8/year). Even if OSU will continue to recruit good kids under those limitations, a la USC, their ability to simply lock-and-reload will be compromised for several years, a la USC. It is impossible to get depth at every position under those limitations, so OSU will pay a serious price in terms of conference wins under those circumstances.
2. Give OSU a 1-year postseason ban. That would ensure that the current squad, which includes the players and coach in question, will pay a price for their violation of NCAA bylaws.
Think about this: they could lose all five, and still go to the Rose Bowl. Just win their division (which MSU is not in) and the BTC, and it's a punched ticket.
Tressel waited to give himself 5 games AFTER the NCAA appeal of the TAT5. It was a set-up/PR move when tOSU gave him two to punish himself more and hope of appeasing the NCAA...Bush-league man.