Looks like someone is trying to up his punishment before he gets hammered by the NCAA.
Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
Looks like someone is trying to up his punishment before he gets hammered by the NCAA.
It is too bad that he couldn't find the appropriate others to partner with to address this unfortunate circumstance.......... or whatever.
This is not one of those nits that a rival tries to blow up bigger than it is. He has finally exposed his BS to the outside. The fact this has even happens means those guys are sweating it down in C-Bus and that makes me very, very happy since they are not focusing on the other stuff related to football.
Part of me would be sad if Tressel gets pulled - only because I want us to finally beat him while he's coaching.
I don't care if he stays or goes.
He's grasping at straws
...I'm almost convinced that it will never happen, at least not on a semi-regular basis, because the two teams are clearly not competing on a level playing field.
Maybe, but man- I really hate the idea of him going out at 9-1 against us. That will never not piss me off. Saying "but you cheated," I get it (in hypothetical world where he gets hit with 10.1 infraction and is ousted). . . but, well, they can say that about when we beat them in the NCAA tourney during Fab 5 year 1, and, frankly, it doesn't. . . matter, at least in affecting my thoughts as a Michigan fan about it and doesn't diminish my feeling of satisfaction in thinking about it. I don't want to be on the other side of that. I hate the fact that he's dominated. Regardless of the infractions, it's still a bitter pill, and I'd like more cracks at him as a program.
It would feel so much better if we could just whip his ass even when he's cheating, and then he gets fired.
"Chasing the buckeyes back to their hole,
fighting them at their own game,
trophies for tattoos, such stupid crap,
coaches and players are gonna get slaaaaaamed!
Run to the hills! Run for your lives!"
I tried a stunt like this with my parents when I was around 12, and it didnt make my punishment any less severe. Sorry buddy, not gonna work.
I think this is even more pathetic than the original preposterous news conference. Damage control done the worst way possible. So now you admit it's a bigger deal? But you've made it seem like it's the COACH who's asked for the penalty like some kind of penance? Who runs the OSU Athletic Department? Don't answer.
If the NCAA buys this B.S. move from Tressel, it would be a travesty. That guy is such a slimeball.
Magnus, what would be an appropriate punishment, IYO?
I think he's done at OSU.Seriously.
He should be. That crap shouldn't fly at a major state university.
the university has no discipline for its coaches and when your AD says i hope he doesnt fire me there needs to be some changes. I hope the NCAA hammers them with sanctions for the slap in the face they gave them with the 2 game suspension. They need to fire him to save the face of their university. but i like how this is all going to unfold, hoke takes over, they find out tressel lied, and he is now likely to get fired
....it was the freaking president of the university!!!
I'd love for Tressel and his sanctimony to remain. The important thing is that this program (and its 375 self-admitted infractions over the last 10 years) be banned from bowls for at least the next two years, and also be stripped of five scholarships, for symmetry's sake.
I hope Sweatervest remains as the patron/martyr saint of TSDS. Let him preside over the ruins of what he has wrought. I like Dan Berstein's "quote" from Tressel's god-like book:
"I’m reminded of another quote, from another venal, bespectacled liar.“I believe in two things: discipline and the Bible. Here you’ll receive both. Put your trust in the Lord; your ass belongs to me. Welcome to Shawshank.”' So said Warden Samuel Norton. That’s who Jim Tressel is – the worst kind of bible-banging fraud, enriching himself under a guise of piety and Christianity while he cheats at every stop.
Just as long as OSU doesn't crawl through a river of shit and come out clean on the other side.
Click your heels together three times Jimmy. You aren't in Kansas anymore. A one year suspension to him and a three year probation to the program with a loss of bowl games and scholarships would be a good start. But then again this is the NCAA, and they may settle for a hug from Tressel and a promise not to get caught again.
Hey, remember this guy? He and his AD were once "untouchable". Curiously, I don't hear Tressel mentioned for any NFL openings.
Because it's one thing to not be fully aware of what players are doing. It's another to know and then lie. You think anyone is going to put up a multi-billion dollar investment and immediately take someone who is a proven and admitted liar to be the face of that investment? What if this were steroid use, or gambling? How would an NFL owner know how to trust someone with the ethical standards Tressel has.
That, and it's not NFL coach hiring season.
It was Sam who said, "Don't get caught doing drugs, or you'll have to make a commercial, just like this one."
At work... just chugging it out... no doubt the plan all along... make Tressel appear to be above it all to his blind worshipping followers...
Best of luck Tressel - I think the NCAA won't be hoodwinked. This isn't something you can brush under the rug by missing games against Colorado, Miami (YTM), and MSU.
Unfortunately, I think we're giving the NCAA way too much credit. That said, I will say that I'm hope I'm wrong and that the NCAA comes down on Senator McCheaty Pants and OSU will the fury of God's own thunder.
I was expecting something like this from Tressel camp in the wake of the all this Peal talk. Hopefully the NCAA sees past the "look how well I punished myself" attempt and smacks him hard for the insult.
It was ok when it was only two but now that the players' appeal was rejected he's finally trying to be "fair". This guy is as good as gone. I agree he is running scared. Is the fine still $250K?
I believe the suspension means he doesn't get paid for those games.
Hope he is able to sell his sweater vests on e bay to pay his bills. Too bad he didn't get a chance to punch out a Clemson player to get his ass fired.
I'm sure he can get some tips from his players on how to maximize your profit when selling personal items.
For you it shouldn't matter if he keeps his job
OSU is a reflection of the state of Ohio and its people like few other colleges are: many of Ohio's residents tie up their own self-images and identities with the Buckeyes. And now the man leading them is a Liar, and that will not change. You need to think about that.
I'm still waiting for someone to come out with a "Script Liar" t-shirt with Tressel, as sousaphone player, dotting the 'i'.
I'm going on the assumption that you are an OSU fan, and in which case, you should be seriously ashamed. I didn't believe it at first, but really, Tressel lied. He knowingly played ineligable players and benefited with a Big Ten championship and a Sugar Bowl win. Considering the image Tressel has cultivated for himself, and consequently thrust on himself by the fanbase, you really should be ashamed. You should demand for his resignation. This was an egreigous error on his part, and even though is a great coach, this really shows that he was sold out his morals and integrity for wins. You should want a better representation for your school and program. I would want the same for UM.
If he were fined for two missed games, that would definitely be more than $250K. He was getting a paid vacation as it was.
A 250k fine is 1/14 of his base salary. Even if he doesn't get paid for the 5 games (about 1.5 mill) he's still making 1.75 mill. Yes, it's half his salary, which is a lot, but he ain't hurtin'.
Also, that really just means OSU saves money, which they can probably spend elsewhere, such as basketball players or something, I dunno. Either way, the whole fine/loss of money isn't a big factor. The fine should be higher, he shouldn't get paid for the games, but the money should go somewhere outside the athletic department and not straight to the NCAA. Non-athletic scholarship, Japanese relief, other charity, me, dinosaurs, etc.
Lets hope the NCAA does not buy into his attempt to minimize his lying ass.
Time for us to recruit the hell out of Ohio.
Now I understand why we haven't had a junior day yet. Genius move by the new staff.
I agree with a couple of the above posters. This was a premeditated move by Gee, Smith, and Tressel. I could be wrong and the media backlash on their weak-ass sanctions could have caused this; but it wouldn't surprise me if this was the plan all along to make Tressel look like the Moral Standard that he claims to be.
Fuck Jim Tressel.
I can't see Tressel and Mr. "I hope he doesn't fire me" Gee coming up with the 250k and 2 games thinking "we'll take an ass beating from the media for weeks and then move JT's suspension to 5 games so we look better". It looks like they're desperate and I expect the non Columbus media to see through this...
Nice timing by the vest on the first day of the NCAA tournament, however.
Either it was premeditated - which sounds awfully tin-foil-hatty but I wouldn't put it past those slimeballs - or even Jim Tressel himself thinks that two-game suspension was bullshit. In either case it doesn't say much for the competence of the OSU athletic department. What a clown show.
Doesn't this just make OSU look ridiculous for their press conference? Okay, even more ridiculous?
This is truly great.... it appears the waters are parting for us, to regain our stronghold. And it is truly amazing that Tressel is crass enough to think that the NCAA is so naive in this latest ploy.
I hate to say it, but I think the NCAA may actually be that naive.
These are still meaningless penalties. OSU will still be a 2 loss or better team and make it to a good, high-paying bowl game.
The NCAA has to follow its USC penalties and dock OSU scholarships and even consider a postseason ban for this year--in acknowledgement that this should have ben done last year.
I don't think the penalties should be quite as severe as USC's, and I don't believe in vacating wins (aka photoshopping someone out of the wedding pics).
So I think:
24 scholarships/3 years
1 year bowl game ban
Is sufficient and appropriate.
Michigan, of course, would benefit from both, by picking up a couple Ohio kids each year and by likely moving one place up the bowl-berth food chain. But that's not the point. The point is that these self-imposed sanctions mean little to nothing for OSU's program, and the NCAA needs to make sure that the punishment deters the program from further violations.
But you're talking about 8 scholorships a year. JT screwed the pooch on this, but that kills the program, and IME, is a bit too far. I know that won't be popular around here, but I think that last season should be vacated, JT should be out at least 7 (I would have been fine with 5 if OSU would have started there), and maybe 2-3 scholarships a year for a couple years, along with the appropriate probation, etc.
The program should be punished, not killed.
Personally, as a Michigan fan, I only want OSU punished and not killed, because I don't want it to ruin the best rivalry in college football.
Not me...blow em up real good.
I don't think anything would kill OSU's program. Even the death penalty. Yes, they might be bad for a decade, but it's still Ohio where they pump a lot of talent out and people down there bleed, breath, and birth red and grey. They would still get back up there sooner or later. Thus any penalty should be very harsh to get any effect what-so-ever.
And a 1-year postseason ban is 50%. That, to me, is fair, especially if they are not forced to vacate bowl wins, etc.
Plus it will take more than that to ruin OSU's program. They'll still have mostly four star recruits and win 7, 8 or even 9 games a year. But it WOULD take them down a peg for several years, which I think--considering not only this, but also the "loaner" cars, etc.--is deserved.
5 game suspensions against cupcakes (and 1 decent opponent) in one year means nothing. It's a nothing punishment.
Why, exactly, should Tressel keep his job? I'm not saying I want OSU crippled for the next 25 years, a la SMU, but he's a liar and a cheater.
A person with his character has no place coaching in the NCAA, just like Bruce Pearl doesn't, just like Kelvin Sampson doesn't.
Don't forget that the NCAA took a lot of crap for letting the Tatgate participants play in the bowl game and suspending them afterward. To discover later that the coach knew and lied about it means the hammer is coming.
at least he is better than the OSU AD.
The Vest still has some pride.
Yea, I'm sure he had tons of pride in himself when he's lying to investigators and signing documents that he knows are false.
a lot of people are confusing the President of OSU with the Athletic Director of OSU. It wasn't the AD who said he hoped Tresserl wouldn't fire him, it was the president. Their AD has enough pride, don't worry.
I still think Tressel forwarded at least one of the emails to someone else. No other reason for Smith to interject with 'no comment' when this question came up during the presser. Once revealed Tressel will have to be terminated.
He may be off the hook. Heck, I'm waiting for Gee to say "You know what, Jim forwarded those emails to me, and I didn't do anything with them. It's my fault. Jim, I guess you do have to fire me" (commits ritual seppuku)
I would be all for Tressel staying coach at OSU if he did forward those emails. If he did, he could have signed his papers in good faith, knowing that OSU should have followed up.
OTOH, it would mean a loss of institutional control there, and would mean that OSU as a whole would probably be wayyyyyy worse off than having a rogue coach. That would certainly mean huge scholarship reductions, multi-season bowl bans and maybe a TV ban or something else ridiculous.
I thought 5 games was what he deserved the first time I saw what he had done. He should pay for his actions at least the same amount as the players. Granted he is an adult and the coach he may deserve more but at least they are getting closer. All a pub stunt I think though. OSU slaps him on the wrist knowing public backlash will be bad, he punishes himself more and asks the AD to allow him to take 5 games instead of 2. It was all planned, but I think a 5 game suspension is fair.
One full season of suspension would be "fair". Tressel knowingly used ineligible players for an entire season; therefore, he should sit out an entire season.
Tressel gives douchebags a bad name.
Its obvious that he knows he's fucked. This situation from start to finsih has been handled worse than any other I have seen from an entire program in quite some time.
And queue Gee saying that he will be suspended 5 games instead...
But seriously, Tressel should step down. He is tarnished now and egregiously broke some major, sacred rules. All for the sake if an NC run. This is a a desperation move after the nation didn't buy the press conference.
own suspension now that coach upped his own to match theirs after very publicly calling those guys out last December.
No hard feelings guys, right...
Why didn't he do this right away? Instead of waiting this long and hearing all the backlash. This just another weak move from a dirty dirtball who's dirtier than a dirt-filled dirt sandwich.
gotta go take a tressel
This will now be my favorite expression.
....it will now be "explosive Tressel".
I've been training my puppy to go izzo and take a tressel.
"We tried to pull a fast one and no one bought it except our most die hard fans, so let's up it a few games and hope people think our coach means business because he added games to his own suspension. What a heck of a guy!"
I hope no one buys this crap
PR move. IMO
From: Gene Smith
CC: Gordon Gee
To: Jim Tressel
Hey Coach Tress, seems like sentiment is growing that your punishment was too lenient. Are you seeing all this outrage?
From: Gordon Gee
CC: Gene Smith
To: Jim Tressel
I've heard the same things. You run this place, what should we do?
From: Jim Tressel
To: Gene Smith; Gordon Gee
I'll get on it ASAP. Have a blessed day! -jt
Between the end of day and !
"I'll get on it asap . Have a blessed day !!! -jt"
Should be submitted to MichiganZone or WLA for expansion into a full-on post.
Except this time at least he did something.
What happens if the Gordon Gee doesn't grant Tressel's request to suspend him for 5 games? Does Tressel fire him?
If Gee were bold enough do disagree... or ... GASP ... make the punishment more severe (!!!!!), I guess we would find out.
Doubt it. Gee should be hiding in a cave and wishing he were back at Vandy after his previous comments.
Now we just need to add:
"And we will forfeit all wins from last season, open our entire program to NCAA and third party investigators as approved by the NCAA, and devote one week of practice time per year to player and coach education on NCAA rules."
Ha! Remember this is OSU we're talking about. Not real people with actual souls.
What do you have against Magnus?
Sorry, I don't buy this has anything to do with satisfying the NCAA. That shameful presser was so condescending and arrogant, OSU believes they yanked the NCAA's chain enough that the are GOOD. Scott free!
This has everything to do with a coach trying to save a little face in the locker room before Spring practice begins. Tressel threw the Tat Five under the bus and is backpedaling before things behind the scenes spin out of control. There's already been murmurs of upset families wondering about the fairness of coach getting less than players. This is how coaches lose entire teams. This has nothing to do with the NCAA - Gene Smith already hit the "sweet spot."
Just my opinion, but I trust nothing coming out of Columbus as anymore than cheap PR. This is no different.
Should mean that he can't recruit or spend any time with the team or anyone associated with the team until he returns...
Until that's the case, the fact that he's not on the field with them for 3 hours of the week (and who knows, maybe he'll be calling in to talk to the coordinators) means that a suspension is MEANINGLESS.
were 5 conference games I think it might be severe enough. It will be interesting to see what the NCAA has to say about this. I don't think letting him choose his own penalty should fly.
be a phony. The world is replete with those who maintain a charitable facade, while being much less behind it.
But I don't know what type of person he is, and it doesn't matter. He is a Liar.
Think they should have last year vacated, as he knowingly played ineligible players.
Refund the Sugar Bowl money - donate to charity?
Vest out for all non-conference plus half conference games, and no bowl game.
Don't think tossu will ever fire this hypocrite.
The NCAA can make OSU fire him. There's no reason that OSU should keep their wins from 2010, and by the same logic, deserve no money from the Sugar Bowl.
Tressel is everything that is wrong with college athletics.
...which doesn't make me feel good, but that is the right thing to do. OSU should forfeit their share of the Sugar Bowl payment to the rest of the schools in the B1G (or the entire payment from the bowl for all I care, as long as it doesn't come from anyone else's share).
Then - the tOSU should not be allowed to play another football game until they are audited by the NCAA, at tUoOS cost, to verify the eligibility of every single player (might also want to verify booster compliance on this, there's a car dealership they could probably start with.)
Finally, Tressel should get a show cause slapped on him, and the CBus faithful can put on a coat of tar and run him out of town.
We should then be able to get on with our Hokamania undistracted.
Tressel is saying, "One wrist slap wasn't enough. Would you please slap the other one, too?"
I hope they get him for the whole year. With a season of no bowl game!
The tenor of the board is growing ridiculous. The media may be screaming for blood (and the board, obv.) but five games is a long stretch. Competing coaches still respect Tressel and, since he's 9-1 against Michigan (incl. 7 in a row and counting) and so do I -- he's coached and won more BCS bowls than any other coach, and he's won a consensus national title.
The suspension includes three decent OSU opponents: Miami (Fl.), Colorado and Mich. St.
I think the penalty seems appropriate and will be surprised if NCAA significantly increases the penalty.
You realize that every comperable offense (NCAA 10.1 violation) has been punished with a show-cause penalty, right? (Except Herron, who was fired and will never coach again.)
That means that every other head coach who is guilty of unethical conduct (which Tressel admits) has had to stay out of the college game for multiple years. There is no reason to think that five non-conference games is anything approaching a reasonable penalty.
If Hoke admitted he was guilty of lying to the NCAA on three separate occasions, as well as knowingly playing ineligible players, I would immediately call for his firing, and I don't think it would even be debatable. If it was RR, I would be all for M testifying that he deserves a show-cause. It's not about OSU, it's about coaches being able to lie and cheat and get away with it, even when caught red-handed, and Tressel got caught worse than maybe any coach, ever.
I'm trying to be fair and balanced and take off the maize glasses. As others have said about being a PR move I think is correct. The NCAA upheld the five game suspension for the TAT5 and low and behold the same day Tressel up the suspension to 5, Chris Spielman said Tressel should own up and double the suspension and fine on ESPN after the first press conference.
-LARGEST Compliance Deptment in the country.
-Got caught lying 3x for the 2010 season
-370somthing secondary violation (is this football alone or all OSU sports?)
-Former player tweets that have been taken down. (Pitman/Holmes)
-Moe C, T. Smith, A.J. Hawk $$$/grades/lend-lease car program.
Is this an OSU version of a PR grifter ?
-Give out some BS punishment of two games
-49 state's go batshit, 1 thinks it's fair save the ESPN poll.
-Wait till TAT5 rule gets upheld.
-Tressel comes off as the white knight and ups his suspension to throw off the dogs.
If the NCAA buys this...I truly would want to pull out of the NCAA and not abide by it anymore.
375 violations is for all 36 varsity sports at OSU.
I'd point out that the NCAA did a pretty serious investigation into OSU after Maurice Clarett made all the accusations, and they determined Mo was insane and/or lying. There was one TA who corroborated Clarett's stories about grade fixing; she had been fired for erratic behavior before the story broke, and when the NCAA interviewed her, she was in a mental institution in Kentucky or Tennessee.
I'd also point out that OSU suspended Troy Smith for the 2004 Alamo Bowl and the first game of the 2005 season. Moreover, Tress voluntarily held Troy out for most of the 2005 Texas game, even though it meant playing Justin Zwick (sort of like holding Denard out in favor of Sheridan) and costing us a chance at the MNC.
I'm not aware of anything involving AJ Hawk during his time at OSU.
You can be sure that if the NCAA comes down significantly harder on OSU (it won't), that 375 number over the next ten years will go waaayyyy down. It won't be because anything has changed. It'll be because the NCAA will be telling OSU that self-reporting isn't worth it and you might as well take the SEC approach of denial and cover-up.
I find this notion that the Ohio State has more issues than any other popular program because Ohioans are naturally evil to be silly homerism. They've just taken a different approach to reporting than the SEC.
In general, the NCAA is a lot more lenient against programs that self report, versus those that stonewall investigations.
Please don't take this the wrong way, this is one of the few times I'm not trying to be a jackass.
You've said a few times that OSU consulted with the NCAA to determine the proper penalty and the NCAA wouldn't impose something much stronger. Why do you think Tressel more than doubled his suspension if OSU consulted with the NCAA and felt that the 2 games was appropriate? It gives the appearance that OSU now thinks its initial penalties may not have been strong enough, because they could have initially given him the same suspension as the players received. Did he just do this as a sign of solidarity with the players who may have been ineligible last year? Or are they conceding a little bit, as if this was some sort of negotiation? In my attempt to look at it rationally, it looks more like they're trying to increase the proposed penalties because they've gotten word that the initial proposed penalty wasn't harsh enough and the NCAA was going to impose something stronger.
I don't think Tressel needs to be fired over this, that's OSU's decision. However, I think the original 2 game suspension was a little weak. Including only non-conference opponents doesn't effect Big Ten standings or a potential Rose Bowl bid. If they were going to stick to 2 games, 2 conference games seemed more appropriate sort of like the Bruce Pearl suspension for only conference games. I really don't care if they have to vacate wins because that doesn't really do anything. Vacating wins didn't screw up Michigan Basketball. It was fucked by the other sanctions that were imposed.
/I've already had a few drinks for the game, so this may not even be coherent.
Yes and Yes?
I think, relative to what Pearl and Calhoun got, they thought 2 games seemed about right.
I also think they thought maybe the Tat 5 would get appealed down to 4 games.
There were some rumors about players parents not being happy that the players will miss a lot more games than the coach.
So yes, I think a part of it is to appease the NCAA and part of it is to keep from losing the team.
Some of both, most likely. I think they probably felt the original penalties were legit, given what Pearl got for offenses that, IMO, were much worse than Tressel's. I'd be surprised if the NCAA were to hit OSU with the type of penalties that they gave USC, or really anything more than probation. If it wasn't for OSU's decision to self-report, the NCAA would never have known about this issue. As Elaydin said, if they drop the hammer on OSU after OSU voluntarily self-reported this and everything else, schools are going to lose any incentive whatsoever to cooperate with the NCAA.
That's not to say that OSU doesn't need to get its shit together and make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again.