at least he is better than the OSU AD.
The Vest still has some pride.
at least he is better than the OSU AD.
The Vest still has some pride.
Yea, I'm sure he had tons of pride in himself when he's lying to investigators and signing documents that he knows are false.
a lot of people are confusing the President of OSU with the Athletic Director of OSU. It wasn't the AD who said he hoped Tresserl wouldn't fire him, it was the president. Their AD has enough pride, don't worry.
I still think Tressel forwarded at least one of the emails to someone else. No other reason for Smith to interject with 'no comment' when this question came up during the presser. Once revealed Tressel will have to be terminated.
He may be off the hook. Heck, I'm waiting for Gee to say "You know what, Jim forwarded those emails to me, and I didn't do anything with them. It's my fault. Jim, I guess you do have to fire me" (commits ritual seppuku)
I would be all for Tressel staying coach at OSU if he did forward those emails. If he did, he could have signed his papers in good faith, knowing that OSU should have followed up.
OTOH, it would mean a loss of institutional control there, and would mean that OSU as a whole would probably be wayyyyyy worse off than having a rogue coach. That would certainly mean huge scholarship reductions, multi-season bowl bans and maybe a TV ban or something else ridiculous.
I thought 5 games was what he deserved the first time I saw what he had done. He should pay for his actions at least the same amount as the players. Granted he is an adult and the coach he may deserve more but at least they are getting closer. All a pub stunt I think though. OSU slaps him on the wrist knowing public backlash will be bad, he punishes himself more and asks the AD to allow him to take 5 games instead of 2. It was all planned, but I think a 5 game suspension is fair.
One full season of suspension would be "fair". Tressel knowingly used ineligible players for an entire season; therefore, he should sit out an entire season.
Tressel gives douchebags a bad name.
Its obvious that he knows he's fucked. This situation from start to finsih has been handled worse than any other I have seen from an entire program in quite some time.
And queue Gee saying that he will be suspended 5 games instead...
But seriously, Tressel should step down. He is tarnished now and egregiously broke some major, sacred rules. All for the sake if an NC run. This is a a desperation move after the nation didn't buy the press conference.
own suspension now that coach upped his own to match theirs after very publicly calling those guys out last December.
No hard feelings guys, right...
Why didn't he do this right away? Instead of waiting this long and hearing all the backlash. This just another weak move from a dirty dirtball who's dirtier than a dirt-filled dirt sandwich.
gotta go take a tressel
This will now be my favorite expression.
....it will now be "explosive Tressel".
I've been training my puppy to go izzo and take a tressel.
"We tried to pull a fast one and no one bought it except our most die hard fans, so let's up it a few games and hope people think our coach means business because he added games to his own suspension. What a heck of a guy!"
I hope no one buys this crap
PR move. IMO
From: Gene Smith
CC: Gordon Gee
To: Jim Tressel
Hey Coach Tress, seems like sentiment is growing that your punishment was too lenient. Are you seeing all this outrage?
From: Gordon Gee
CC: Gene Smith
To: Jim Tressel
I've heard the same things. You run this place, what should we do?
From: Jim Tressel
To: Gene Smith; Gordon Gee
I'll get on it ASAP. Have a blessed day! -jt
Between the end of day and !
"I'll get on it asap . Have a blessed day !!! -jt"
Should be submitted to MichiganZone or WLA for expansion into a full-on post.
Except this time at least he did something.
What happens if the Gordon Gee doesn't grant Tressel's request to suspend him for 5 games? Does Tressel fire him?
If Gee were bold enough do disagree... or ... GASP ... make the punishment more severe (!!!!!), I guess we would find out.
Doubt it. Gee should be hiding in a cave and wishing he were back at Vandy after his previous comments.
Now we just need to add:
"And we will forfeit all wins from last season, open our entire program to NCAA and third party investigators as approved by the NCAA, and devote one week of practice time per year to player and coach education on NCAA rules."
Ha! Remember this is OSU we're talking about. Not real people with actual souls.
What do you have against Magnus?
Sorry, I don't buy this has anything to do with satisfying the NCAA. That shameful presser was so condescending and arrogant, OSU believes they yanked the NCAA's chain enough that the are GOOD. Scott free!
This has everything to do with a coach trying to save a little face in the locker room before Spring practice begins. Tressel threw the Tat Five under the bus and is backpedaling before things behind the scenes spin out of control. There's already been murmurs of upset families wondering about the fairness of coach getting less than players. This is how coaches lose entire teams. This has nothing to do with the NCAA - Gene Smith already hit the "sweet spot."
Just my opinion, but I trust nothing coming out of Columbus as anymore than cheap PR. This is no different.
Should mean that he can't recruit or spend any time with the team or anyone associated with the team until he returns...
Until that's the case, the fact that he's not on the field with them for 3 hours of the week (and who knows, maybe he'll be calling in to talk to the coordinators) means that a suspension is MEANINGLESS.
were 5 conference games I think it might be severe enough. It will be interesting to see what the NCAA has to say about this. I don't think letting him choose his own penalty should fly.
be a phony. The world is replete with those who maintain a charitable facade, while being much less behind it.
But I don't know what type of person he is, and it doesn't matter. He is a Liar.
Think they should have last year vacated, as he knowingly played ineligible players.
Refund the Sugar Bowl money - donate to charity?
Vest out for all non-conference plus half conference games, and no bowl game.
Don't think tossu will ever fire this hypocrite.
The NCAA can make OSU fire him. There's no reason that OSU should keep their wins from 2010, and by the same logic, deserve no money from the Sugar Bowl.
Tressel is everything that is wrong with college athletics.
...which doesn't make me feel good, but that is the right thing to do. OSU should forfeit their share of the Sugar Bowl payment to the rest of the schools in the B1G (or the entire payment from the bowl for all I care, as long as it doesn't come from anyone else's share).
Then - the tOSU should not be allowed to play another football game until they are audited by the NCAA, at tUoOS cost, to verify the eligibility of every single player (might also want to verify booster compliance on this, there's a car dealership they could probably start with.)
Finally, Tressel should get a show cause slapped on him, and the CBus faithful can put on a coat of tar and run him out of town.
We should then be able to get on with our Hokamania undistracted.
Tressel is saying, "One wrist slap wasn't enough. Would you please slap the other one, too?"
I hope they get him for the whole year. With a season of no bowl game!
The tenor of the board is growing ridiculous. The media may be screaming for blood (and the board, obv.) but five games is a long stretch. Competing coaches still respect Tressel and, since he's 9-1 against Michigan (incl. 7 in a row and counting) and so do I -- he's coached and won more BCS bowls than any other coach, and he's won a consensus national title.
The suspension includes three decent OSU opponents: Miami (Fl.), Colorado and Mich. St.
I think the penalty seems appropriate and will be surprised if NCAA significantly increases the penalty.
You realize that every comperable offense (NCAA 10.1 violation) has been punished with a show-cause penalty, right? (Except Herron, who was fired and will never coach again.)
That means that every other head coach who is guilty of unethical conduct (which Tressel admits) has had to stay out of the college game for multiple years. There is no reason to think that five non-conference games is anything approaching a reasonable penalty.
If Hoke admitted he was guilty of lying to the NCAA on three separate occasions, as well as knowingly playing ineligible players, I would immediately call for his firing, and I don't think it would even be debatable. If it was RR, I would be all for M testifying that he deserves a show-cause. It's not about OSU, it's about coaches being able to lie and cheat and get away with it, even when caught red-handed, and Tressel got caught worse than maybe any coach, ever.
I'm trying to be fair and balanced and take off the maize glasses. As others have said about being a PR move I think is correct. The NCAA upheld the five game suspension for the TAT5 and low and behold the same day Tressel up the suspension to 5, Chris Spielman said Tressel should own up and double the suspension and fine on ESPN after the first press conference.
-LARGEST Compliance Deptment in the country.
-Got caught lying 3x for the 2010 season
-370somthing secondary violation (is this football alone or all OSU sports?)
-Former player tweets that have been taken down. (Pitman/Holmes)
-Moe C, T. Smith, A.J. Hawk $$$/grades/lend-lease car program.
Is this an OSU version of a PR grifter ?
-Give out some BS punishment of two games
-49 state's go batshit, 1 thinks it's fair save the ESPN poll.
-Wait till TAT5 rule gets upheld.
-Tressel comes off as the white knight and ups his suspension to throw off the dogs.
If the NCAA buys this...I truly would want to pull out of the NCAA and not abide by it anymore.
375 violations is for all 36 varsity sports at OSU.
I'd point out that the NCAA did a pretty serious investigation into OSU after Maurice Clarett made all the accusations, and they determined Mo was insane and/or lying. There was one TA who corroborated Clarett's stories about grade fixing; she had been fired for erratic behavior before the story broke, and when the NCAA interviewed her, she was in a mental institution in Kentucky or Tennessee.
I'd also point out that OSU suspended Troy Smith for the 2004 Alamo Bowl and the first game of the 2005 season. Moreover, Tress voluntarily held Troy out for most of the 2005 Texas game, even though it meant playing Justin Zwick (sort of like holding Denard out in favor of Sheridan) and costing us a chance at the MNC.
I'm not aware of anything involving AJ Hawk during his time at OSU.
You can be sure that if the NCAA comes down significantly harder on OSU (it won't), that 375 number over the next ten years will go waaayyyy down. It won't be because anything has changed. It'll be because the NCAA will be telling OSU that self-reporting isn't worth it and you might as well take the SEC approach of denial and cover-up.
I find this notion that the Ohio State has more issues than any other popular program because Ohioans are naturally evil to be silly homerism. They've just taken a different approach to reporting than the SEC.
In general, the NCAA is a lot more lenient against programs that self report, versus those that stonewall investigations.
Please don't take this the wrong way, this is one of the few times I'm not trying to be a jackass.
You've said a few times that OSU consulted with the NCAA to determine the proper penalty and the NCAA wouldn't impose something much stronger. Why do you think Tressel more than doubled his suspension if OSU consulted with the NCAA and felt that the 2 games was appropriate? It gives the appearance that OSU now thinks its initial penalties may not have been strong enough, because they could have initially given him the same suspension as the players received. Did he just do this as a sign of solidarity with the players who may have been ineligible last year? Or are they conceding a little bit, as if this was some sort of negotiation? In my attempt to look at it rationally, it looks more like they're trying to increase the proposed penalties because they've gotten word that the initial proposed penalty wasn't harsh enough and the NCAA was going to impose something stronger.
I don't think Tressel needs to be fired over this, that's OSU's decision. However, I think the original 2 game suspension was a little weak. Including only non-conference opponents doesn't effect Big Ten standings or a potential Rose Bowl bid. If they were going to stick to 2 games, 2 conference games seemed more appropriate sort of like the Bruce Pearl suspension for only conference games. I really don't care if they have to vacate wins because that doesn't really do anything. Vacating wins didn't screw up Michigan Basketball. It was fucked by the other sanctions that were imposed.
/I've already had a few drinks for the game, so this may not even be coherent.
Yes and Yes?
I think, relative to what Pearl and Calhoun got, they thought 2 games seemed about right.
I also think they thought maybe the Tat 5 would get appealed down to 4 games.
There were some rumors about players parents not being happy that the players will miss a lot more games than the coach.
So yes, I think a part of it is to appease the NCAA and part of it is to keep from losing the team.
Some of both, most likely. I think they probably felt the original penalties were legit, given what Pearl got for offenses that, IMO, were much worse than Tressel's. I'd be surprised if the NCAA were to hit OSU with the type of penalties that they gave USC, or really anything more than probation. If it wasn't for OSU's decision to self-report, the NCAA would never have known about this issue. As Elaydin said, if they drop the hammer on OSU after OSU voluntarily self-reported this and everything else, schools are going to lose any incentive whatsoever to cooperate with the NCAA.
That's not to say that OSU doesn't need to get its shit together and make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen again.