Tremendous: More on Derrick Green
According to "Tremendous" Derrick Green's visit may be much more just a courtesy call. No guarantees or gut feelings, but "there's a lot of smoke building with this situation".
Check it out:
http://www.michigantremendous.com/2012/07/more-on-derrick-green.html
It is getting creepy.
To me, it's sad that some of the same people who wanted to bury Joe Paterno and PSU for what Jerry Sandusky did have no problem insinuating that they are aroused when they hear that another 17 year-old is about to commit to the Maize and Blue.
This makes mgoblog look worse than RCMB. Is that what anyone here really wants?
A little bit of restraint goes a long way.
I don't spend my time agreeing with Magnus so much but you're both correct on this.
Just enough already.
woot , woot
I believe it
I don't
To whom did you respond? It's someone who was caved and who is only visible on the mobile app, I'm assuming.
THE PARTY ROOM
Too lazy to fire up my computer. Didn't realize that caved trolls could still post via app. TPR is always good for a laugh
Leaving out the word "than" in your description completely changes the meaning.
"It makes absolutely no sense (especially with there being two spots available now) for Michigan to put any kind of ultimatum on McQuay unless they were relatively confident in an imminent commitment." - from the Tremendous article
This was mentioned in the BBQ thread, but I to agree here considering how this staff has handled this rather incredible 2013 class to date - McQuay wouldn't say that unless someone in Ann Arbor was reasonably sure something was about to happen. Derrick Green certainly would be a great way to fill one of the two remaining spots, so if this is the fire that goes with the building smoke, if you will, it's a good fire.
To mcquay, wouldn't that imply that the staff preferred LM3 to Green for what amounts to the final open spot? (given the belief that the staff is truly holding the FINAL spot for LT)
I would have thought that Green was more important as the final piece at this point, given Douglas' verbal earlier this week.
Well, for all we know, they told Green the same thing. Or will bring it up this weekend because Green is on campus and McQuay is not. I wouldn't read into it.
I agree. One thing I think we've seen from these coaches is that they're very good at using scarcity to their advantage. If you can credibly tell a recruit that now might be his last chance, you get him to think about whether he's really willing to risk losing his spot at Michigan. That only works if there's a real chance that the spot gets taken, so there's often a very good player on the outside left looking in (Anzalone, Schutt, O'Daniel, etc.).
If you tell McQuay that his place could be taken this weekend, you force him to think about things, which only increases the chance that you walk away with one of these two guys. I wouldn't be surprised if the coaches would be thrilled with either one and are just trying to maximize the probability of getting one of them.
if the Green scenario were true, wouldn't the staff have told LM3 that the class is full and the offer is not commitable?
Why would they tell him his offer is no longer commitable before they had someone else? Now THAT doesn't make any sense. If he (McQuay) really wanted to be a wolverine, they were giving him the opportunity to commit before this weekend. If this wasn't true, then why on earth woud the staff be giving a 5-star recruit that we've been recruiting very heavily, an altimatum to commit this weekend or lose your spot??? The only reason you would do something like that, is if you had a pretty darn good feeling about the possiblitly of a commitment on the weekend.
True. IMO they told LM3 that they needed him to get off the fence and commit to a spot or a guaranteed spot would be used this weekend. Something may open up later, but Hoke couldn’t guarantee it. So I am DEFINITELY ready to Buckle-Up!
but I don't feel like getting into the details, so let's just see what happens - frankly, I'd be happy with either LM3 or Green for that spot.
I've always known he's an elite level running back, but when did he become the #1 runningback on rivals?
He improved at catching the ball out of the backfield and showed he was very good at blocking LBs during camp settings. Mike Farrell now views him as a 3 down back and bumped his rating.
Everyone thinks he's elite, but his speed appears to be a determining factor. I've seen everything from 4.31 to almost 4.6. Rivals thinks he's a 4.4, while Scout calls out his breakaway speed as a weakness.
I think scout is more accurate than Rivals in Green's case.
Regardless of what Green did without pads, if you watch his junior film, when playing better defenses, he very rarely breaks away from the defenders in the second level.
And you can tell which defense is better in what way. He cant break out a run everytime he runs the ball.
I have a hunch when the RB is bigger than the opposing team's DTs and DEs, said opposing defense may not be that great.
Also, when said DTs and DEs are 10 yards in the defensive secondary getting or in the process of being pancaked three seconds after the snap of the football, again, may not be D1 caliber players Green is up against. There is DEFINITELY a difference in the quality of defensive opposition Green is going against in some of his tape. You can see it in the size of the players, the position of the line of scrimmage a couple of seconds after the snap, and the speed/angles the LBs and DBs take on Green.
Do I expect Green to have Ty Isaac-esque runs every snap? No. But Isaac doesn't face the same caliber of player Green does in Southern Virginia.
Hermitage HS is no pushover. They are a power in Richmond. HS Football in Richmond VA is pretty good and VT and UVa recruit Richmond very hard. Hermitage has produced solid (and NFL) talent in recent years. Darren Sharper, Jamie Sharper, 1st rounder Duane Brown, Shawn Barber (also not sure if you've heard of Curtis Grant--O$U LB'er?) and a number of other D-1 prospects have come out of Hermitage. Other schools in RIchmond that Hermitage plays have produced a good amount of talent. David Terrell, Brandon Minor, Michael Robinson (PSU), Russel Wilson, off the top of my head... there are a lot more.
I don't know a ton about Joliet but i'm sure Joliet Cathotic is a great team. Hermitage and Richmond public school FB is decent and i can assure you that the DL's at those schools are not tiny guys under 200 lbs. Hermitage also plays Fork Union which has produced a ton of talent. The high light tape you saw probably featured small private school or inner city Richmond schools but is not the norm for Richmond HS football. Green probably feasted on those guys and had a lot of highlights but that doesn't mean he only face little guys all the time. If he commits to Michigan, I'll be watching all of Mr. Green's home games and some of his road games in person so i'm interested to see if he improved from last season.
Also, note that Richmond is not in Southern Virginia. Richmond is in Central Virginia. There really is nothing in Southern Virginia.
"There really is nothing in Soutern Virginia."
...unless you count Newport News/Chesapeake/etc. as being part of Southern Virginia. There's quite a bit of talent in that area.
Don't know how the guy above views it, but I always just thought of that area as "Virginia Beach" and not southern VA. I think of southern VA as like south-central sort of area, and there is nothing there
Heh; I live southwest of Baltimore. I go through Richmond on my way to the OuterBanks. Once I go south of Fairfax, EVERYTHING is Southern Virginia.
I hope I was being clear re; my respect of the competition of high school football in Richmond and point south. That area is regularly raided by the SEC/ACC powers for talent (especially see the 2014 class)
I went to HS near Richmond for 9th & 10th grade. I remember several 50+ to 0 beatdowns we received from the Hermitages, Huguenots, and Prince Georges of the area
Didn't Mike Farrel say a couple of weeks ago to watch out for Michigan in his recruitment. If i am recalling this correctly that is a pretty big positive, becuase he is portrayed to hate michigan. He was right about Levenberry when a lot thought he was coming hear.
Ultimatly Derrick Green is a mystery...He could be doing this for attention, but he also may be serious.
Greeen's first unofficial was to Ohio State. Green 'unoficially' visited Ohio State twice. It is clear to me that Ohio State was definitely at or very near the top of Greens favorites.
With OSU out, we very well may be looking good here.
The only thing that is difficult to see in comparison to other Universities is how many resources Michigan has extended towards Green compared to other programs (letters, visits, phone calls etc).
I guess i am a little surprised Green has a chance to drop to us at the BBQ because i did not think he knew enough about us and that we never really seemed to stand out above everyone else - we were just a team down his list still in the hunt.
that after Ty Isaac went to USC, UM put a full-court press on Green as our #1 RB target, and have been in contact with him as much as is allowed.
This is accurate, although Michigan was really pushing hard after Green before Isaac committed. Same goes for Jordan Wilkins.
This is good to know then, and makes a Green verbal to us this weekend much, much more possible in my mind than i originally thought.
I was not sure how hard and to what extent Michigan had been recruting him - great to hear.
rushing touchdowns confusing for announcers when Michigan plays MSU.
I'll get excited if/when he actually commits. Tremendous does a good job of getting interviews, but I'm struggling to remember a time when they were anything but hyper-positive about a recruit. I prefer Magnus's approach, because it keeps my expectations realistic.
Some recruits pulling the trigger for Michigan. They by no means peddle to the masses
Yeah, who wouldn't prefer a sort of recruit related nihilsm in analysis with a focus on limitation of hope and expectation for young people.
Parent: "Son, do that next set...you can go to Michigan and do great things!"
Recruit: "Not so sure dad, while Rivals gave me a 5.9 and 4 stars Magnus is concerned with my lack of fluid hips and questionable closing speed".
Parent: Who? Well f#$# that f#%ing Magnus, I'm calling Lichtenfels and VanHaaren immediately...you need some positives going forward. Remember, you were only being recruited by every major player in the B1G.
Just saying.
He points out valid concerns that recruits need to work on. He's not grading recruits relative to the H.S. competition, it's based on a standard of play seen in college. Not many recruits contribute very quickly, and not many turn out to be all B1G competitors. It's not like he's making stuff up.
If he commits at the BBQ, great, but it's good to keep in mind that recruits have a tendency to tell recruiting analysts who are affiliated with specific schools what they think that analyst wants to hear.
To be honest, this is the one assessment I'd agree with, and Derrick is actually a good example of one of those types.
The closing paragraph of what I wrote sums up what I think. The rest is solid facts on what's happened leading up to this weekend.
I thought I read somewhere (don't remember where) that the coaches wanted McQuays decision because they wanted to move on Douglas. Since McQuay wasn't ready to commit they offered Douglas figuring why take the chance and miss out on a quality db. They knew they two other scholarships.
And yet they still continued to recruit McQuay after Douglas committed. The real reason to temper expectations on Green is he said that "he just got that feeling" after his Auburn visit.
Yeah my point is that the whole McQuay thing had nothing to do with Green.
Of course that's possible. Following recruiting since the days when Anthony Thomas committed (thank you Mr. Sandeep Vijay), seeing everything a recruit says your way is a very dangerous thing. No one but McQuay, his people (parents, coaches, friends, family) and the UM coaches really know what was meant by that comment. That doesn't mean the speculation can't be any more fun!
Lot's of kids seem to get that "feeling" at Auburn. I get it too when I get paid.
That could be a good or bad feeling. We don't know.
boredguy, you're making a connection on two separate pieces. The first was Ross commits, and two days later Mcquay was told there may not be a scholarship available after this weekend... meaning the BBQ......meaning Devon Allen or Green taking the last available. Seems clear.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120726/OPINION03/207260492/1131/sp…
"They wanted to move on the Penn State commit and they informed us on Tuesday. It came down all of a sudden. But Leon is not ready to commit," Leon McQuay, Jr. (Leon's father)
His connection seems to be correct.
When is the BBQ ?
Tomorrow I believe.
in the hope of catching a whiff of what's cooking inside?