Tre Moore Safety Prospect
Listed as a 3 star corner on Scout but watching his junior film (Scouting Ohio) he looks like an excellent free safety prospect. From the same H.S. as the Talbott brothers (Huber Hts., Wayne) with only MAC offers so far but Scout showed him on the front page so perhaps we are interested. With Avery off to Berkley and Lyons somewhat of a long shot I could see going after this kid because we need FS help/depth.
December 15th, 2010 at 10:49 AM ^
Can someone tell me why Lyons is a longshot now?? I follow recruiting everyday and have not heard any news of him since his last visit........so why is he a longshot?
December 15th, 2010 at 10:51 AM ^
I haven't heard why Lyons is all of a sudden a long shot, but Lyons is a SS type, not a FS.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:59 PM ^
I this is overrated. Michigan saw its deep safety's switch twice and the deep safety switched down to spur (a box safety). These positions i think are interchangable with high school prospects. Athletes can play it all
December 15th, 2010 at 3:48 PM ^
True, but they made those changes out of necessity.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:55 PM ^
Yeah, I disagree with you too. Just because we switched guys, didn'[t mean it was the ideal situation. Look at Cam Gordon. Do you honestly feel he's close to equally apt at both safety spots? How about Kovacs? Do you think Vinopal would be a good SS? Sure, very good athletes can often play both, but many college players cannot, or at least should not.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:58 PM ^
In some cases SS and FS might be interchangeable, but not with Lyons. The scouting report says that he is built like a small outside linebacker.
December 15th, 2010 at 11:01 AM ^
But I don't see us leading for him. Usually when we don't hear a lot coming from a player (Walls in the last month), it means their interest level is usually not as high.
December 15th, 2010 at 11:54 AM ^
When I said Lyons was "somewhat of a longshot" I meant that we are not the favorites for his services. Reports from his visit were positive but not glowing so I think it would be unwise at this late date to depend on him filling a position of great need. If we land a good FS and then Lyons comes on board in Feb. that would be just fine.
December 15th, 2010 at 10:54 AM ^
safeties please!
December 15th, 2010 at 10:56 AM ^
But that's not going to happen, so hail safeties.
December 15th, 2010 at 10:59 AM ^
maybe we can squeeze two safeties together and make them a DT.
December 15th, 2010 at 11:51 AM ^
Lack of a true DT in this class seems like a disaster with only overwieght Ash and underweight Talbott from last year. Perhaps the coaches are counting on a bulked-up Wilkins and Rock to fill that gap. Be that as it may, I still think we need to land a quality Big Body for the defense.... Chris Bryant switching to the "Dark Side"? No info on that just my own speculation.
December 15th, 2010 at 12:10 PM ^
Don't forget Quinton Washington. Looks like he's stay at DT.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:12 PM ^
Scout says Q-Wash and M-Rob are looking goooood in practice. Dunno if they are just trying to raise moral over there or it's legit. Take it FWIW but keep in mind they were spot on about Spring and summer improvements.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:44 PM ^
The extra practices help these guys. M-Rob is supposed to be a terrific athlete, IIRC
December 15th, 2010 at 11:56 AM ^
Only if it counts as one scholarship.
December 15th, 2010 at 10:59 AM ^
take Marcus Curry back if he was still eligible to play!
December 15th, 2010 at 3:58 PM ^
serious the best Curry of the Curry brothers coming out of Bishop Gallagher was Ray and he went to Toledo. I do not know how them boys even got on the field, maybe special teams but not starters. I had the opportunity to play against and scrimmage them, and they were ok, but I dont know about bringing them back. Ray would have been good at UM very fast. Sahadi had good players(see Braylon Edwards, Jesse Johnson) so it is sad that he is gone.
December 15th, 2010 at 11:22 AM ^
We're thinner at FS than we are at DT.
December 15th, 2010 at 12:44 PM ^
FS has a returning starter for 2 more year (Kovacs) and a highly regarded recruit (Robinson) backing him up for 3 years. For one position that's pretty decent.
For DT we have 1 more year of Martin and then 2 or 3 guys (Washington, Ash, Talbott) who have played less than Robinson and aren't as highly regarded as recruits. Which is fine if DT is one position, but we will probably need to play 2 DTs fairly regularly, if not every down in a 4-3 defense.
December 15th, 2010 at 12:56 PM ^
neither Kovacs or M Rob play FS. Kovacs is the SS (bandit) and Robinson has played at multiple positions but considering Ray Vinopal got the first look at FS (hero) after Cam Gordon's lack of range was exposed I don't think he is going to end up at FS.
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<br>It's possible or perhaps probable that either Woolfolk, Floyd, or Christian end up working at FS next year along with Vinopal and perhaps Carvin Johnson.
December 15th, 2010 at 1:26 PM ^
My bad.
FS has two true freshman (Vinopal and Johnson) who can fill the position for the next 3 years...but neither was highly regarded as a recruit.
I'm guessing Christian will be moved to FS once the CB depth is replenished.
December 15th, 2010 at 2:09 PM ^
Why would you assume Cullen would move to FS?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:11 PM ^
It sounds like Cam and MRob will both be OLBs, but maybe one will stay at SS. Right now, we have realistically 2 guys (Thomas Gordon and Kovacs) at SS and 2 guys (Carvin Johnson and Ray Vinopal) at FS. As it stands, we have zero commits at either spot. Thankfully, all of them are young, but if we don't get a safety commit in this class, we have a 2-deep and that's it at both spots. Carvin could play either safety spot, so if we move a CB to FS, that could help.
However, at DT, we still have Martin for another year, then we also have Q, Ash, Talbott and Wilkins (who I think will be a DT). It looks like Chris Rock will be a DT as well, so that gives us 6 guys for 2 spots, and that's assuming a 4 man front.
I'd like more depth everywhere, but DT is looking better than either safety spot right now.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:14 PM ^
Why do you think he's still moving to LB?
It seems like LB is pretty deep and young: Demens, Herron, Fitzgerald, Leach are experienced upperclassmen. Jones, C.Gordon, T.Gordon have shown promise already. Furman and Ryan are younger players and Morgan and Jones are on the way. That's a lot of bodies (11) for 3 (maybe 4) positions. So you're talking 3 deep with some potential to overlap.
You could project some moves to DE (RVB, Black, Wilkins, Paskorz, Bryer) but you'd still have around 3 guys at each LB Position.
I know you have to find the best fit for the individual, but it seems premature to assume we know what that is for MRob.
DT: Martin and Rock will never be on the same roster, so that's 5 guys, none of which have any substantial experience, 3 of which are currently pretty undersized to be DT (Wilkins, Talbott, Rock), and 2 of which may be too big to effectively get leverage (Ash, Washington).
There are just too many qustions marks about position, size, experience to look at potential DTs and feel anything but worry.
Basically, theres 2 guys per DT position and 2 guys per Safety position. The difference is the safeties will be returning starters while the DTs are total unknowns.
December 15th, 2010 at 3:30 PM ^
I'll go from the bottom up: if we have a 4 man line next fall, Martin and Q will be the starters at the tackles. Ash will back up Q and Talbott and Wilkins will both back up MM. Those guys are a little undersized, but we'll see where they're at a year from now. Neither of them were EE so the roster weights are when they just got into a college weight program. RVB might play inside some as well since we'll look solid at DE (part time RVB, Roh, Black, maybe Paskorz, Beyer and Zettel (crosses fingers). What about Will Heininger?
As for MRob at LB, it only really affects the OLBs, so guys like Demens, Ryan, Morgan, and Kellen Jones don't factor in. At OLB, Herron and JB Fitz will both be seniors, one might start, but they'll be gone in one more year. Leach will not play over MRob. Thomas Gordon will play safety. That leaves Cam Gordon, Mike Jones, Josh Furman (who might be a safety too) and MRob at the OLB spots in 2012 and beyond, not including any 2012 recruits. That's not exactly too much depth.
December 15th, 2010 at 4:38 PM ^
But DTs, ideally, rotate fairly frequently. Its making a pretty big leap of faith to put Washington, Ash, and Talbott/Wilkins into a playing rotation when none of them have any experience. I think if you go with 4 lineman you have to move RVB back inside and hope 2 of the above 4 are ready to play. Heininger was a DE backup but has size to potentially help inside. Its doable in 2011, but after the 2 seniors (3 w/ Heininger?) depart it looks extremely thin.
I'm not sure about your assesment of LBs. The difference between who is ILB, MLB, OLB, WLB, SLB, RLB, S/LB, etc. can be pretty gray. Thomas Gordon played the spot as Cam Gordon last year, so I'm not so positive he doesn't factor into the LB conversation. Leach played more than MRob this year. No one seems to know if Ryan is an MLB or a DE or in between.
In a 4-3 system you assume, I'm not sure the OLB you list can man both the SLB and WLB positions. I'd expect some of the your assumed MLB to be able to shift to one of the OLB positions.
FWIW There are (again) rumblings that MRob is looking good at safety.
Bottom line: there are many options at safety, including experienced players over the next few years. Thats without assuming any shifts from CB to S. At DT you're relying on DEs moving to DT and completely inexperienced/unproven players stepping into starting roles. That didn't work for the secondary this year, and I don't expect it to work for the DL in 2012.
December 15th, 2010 at 5:54 PM ^
December 15th, 2010 at 2:47 PM ^
Someone correct me if I'm off base, but I think the problem with our secondary is that no one really has the closing speed to play FS. I think that's why Vinopal is back there.
December 15th, 2010 at 4:09 PM ^
This is exactly why not getting Sean Parker last year was such a big deal.
December 15th, 2010 at 11:10 AM ^
get osu to pay for a visit?
December 15th, 2010 at 2:51 PM ^
It will be interesting to see where Furman plays next fall after his redshirt season. Most thought he'd play LB, but he has the speed to play SS and is listed as a safety on the roster. If he can keep his speed and not bulk up too much, he could be a badass SS. With all of the young OLB talent we have, we might have the luxury of putting him there.
December 15th, 2010 at 4:40 PM ^
That leaves Cam Gordon, Mike Jones, Josh Furman (who might be a safety too) and MRob at the OLB spots in 2012 and beyond, not including any 2012 recruits. That's not exactly too much depth.
Now you want to put furman at S?
December 15th, 2010 at 5:22 PM ^
December 15th, 2010 at 7:59 PM ^
do we have enough DL depth to run a four man front next season. I guess my question is referring specifically to DT depth and i think we only have one commit in Chris Rock. ( heard coaches might want him at DT rather than DE)
Hail