frank beamer #1
Tradition do you really care? Or just used against rival fans?
... and I'm reaping all the benifits."
I'm going to be honest in the spirit of DirkMcGurk's actual post.
I generally think the alternate uniform craze is just generally stupid. It used to be cool when a team like the Detroit Lions would wear retro uniforms on Thanksgiving or something. I'm not sure I'd say I liked it because of tradition, but it at least seemed to be for a reason other than "we can." Tradition or not, I think it's dumb when "uniforms" change so frequently, seemingly just for the hell of it or to squeeze some dollars (I'm much less opposed to the AD making money than a lot of people around here, but the uniform thing is a means of making money that is unavoidable, which is why I hate it).
Personally, I don't mind the idea of Michigan's uniforms changing, provided the wings are untouched. I didn't mind the UTL jerseys, and I thought the return to putting numbers on the helmets for a season was cool. But again, it was a historic match-up, against historic teams, playing in a historic rivalry, for the first night game in one of the most storied stadiums in the country. It they want to bust out special uniforms for it, so be it. Make it a big ol' spectacle, you've got 113,000 people watching a football game.
My main problem is the degree to which they are usually so ugly. The Sugar Bowl ones weren't bad. The Bama ones were worse than that. The MSU ones were obviously the nadir of Michigan anything. (Still think UTL were pretty cool, though.)
To address the tradition issue surrounding the unis, I for one do not want any changes to the maize and blue home unis. I think we should wear them for all home games. The white away jerseys can be toyed with, but keep it consistent.
I think a football version of the white basketball jerseys would be cool, just keep the maize pants.
The internet seems to be missing a Fiddler Tradition gif. If I were a rich man, I would do something about it.
As for the original question, I think all of the new uniforms dilute the brand for a quick money grab. I dislike very much.
or directing me to a better gif site?
This could turn into a pissing match. Let me see your best tradition gif! I think mine is better than yours!
My only tradition gif is probably the tradition of me having no idea how to embed anything even though I've probably read a "meta" post about it 300 times.
Right click on the gif itself and click copy image location. When you post a reply, click on the green/yellow/red square labeled "image." Next past into the URL and click on a random box. You have added a gif (and great value) to the board.
Now come at me!
Personally do not care! The game is changing and recruits like this kind of stuff. I've seen many pictures of recruits wearing gloves that spell something or make a picture. Michigan tradition is a winged helmet, banner, good defense, winning and hail to the victors. Outside of the fan base no one cares about the jersey or pants.
Are you saying with your last sentence that we should only care about things if a bunch of other people do as well? If that's the case, you do realize that this is a Michigan blog, that Michigan attracts a lot of nerds, and caring deeply about things few others do is basically a nerd's super power?
I know it attracts a lot of people who like to argue about petty stuff
Recruits do not give a FUCK about alternate uniforms when it comes to committing to a school.
So they tweet about it for no reason when new uni's are released. I did not say that's why they pick a school. I said they like it.
I'm sure they like p---y and cars too. And hell, other schools do that. Why don't we do that?
I like calling triple reverse throwbacks every play. Doesn't mean I'm right.
There are many, many traditions involved with the University of Michigan and it's football team. When it comes to the football team, the only tradition I really care about it winning. I may be in the minoirty, but I wouldn't care if the team rolled out in brown and mauve uniforms if it meant we would win the next 10 national championships. Obviously, that's not realistic, and I do care to a certain extent about the helmet, the home blues, etc, but all I really want is for the team to win...a lot.
You should have went to school in the SEC then. Or perhaps Miami is more your speed... (Miami in the 80's of course)
But turns out I didn't actually make my college decision on football. Instead I chose on an opportunity for a great education and just ended up along for the ride sports wise.
I assumed you did.
Agree with your first two sentences. You kind of lost me after that.
Dont go to this blog for comedy purposes. But that's funny.
I'm all about protecting the Tradition that U of M proudly and rightfully owns. While I have reached the point that when I tune in to watch an Oregon football game, I expect "uniformz", I still expect, when I watch Michigan, to see "uniforms".
To see anything less then becomes a distraction from enjoying what I expect to see when I purchased my season tickets or turned the TV on. And I absolutely HATE distractions when it comes to Michigan Football!
Honestly, I wouldn't hardly notice the changes if people didn't make a big fuss about them. Then again, I have no fashion sense, nicely augmented by poor vision.
Personally, me, myself, in my own personal opinion, I would save the mother of all uniform changes until we meet Ohio State in a mid October classic.
I know right. Whatever happend to predictability, the milkman, the paperboy, evening TV?
I don't necessarily take pride in the tradition but dammit I love it. I love the fact that when I go see michigan play I'm seeing the winningest program in college football history. But I'm also young compared to most posters (I think anyways) and I see the "value" in not teeing the ball up at noon and changing the jerseys. I get the brand recognition and getting the brand out to people in different ways. I embrace night games for a few reasons and I welcome changes to the away jerseys (although I liked the UTL jerseys I believe the homes should be left alone). As long as the colors are maize and blue and the team represents michigan I'm all in!! Just don't start selling advertising space in the big house and don't fuck with the M
I reserve the right to be a hypocrite, though, and like an alternate away (not home) jersey that someone comes up with in the future. That has yet to happen, though.
"Do you really care or just really care about winning the pissing contest?"
I suppose I would phrase it like this - it bothers me to some extent that the athletic department of my alma mater tinkers with the brand of Michigan to a point where it seems as if things (like alternate jerseys) are done only because the demand for Michigan goods is relatively inelastic as college merchandise goes.
Like some others here, I don't mind a considered approach to the matter of changing the uniforms or alternative jerseys, but when it seems like things are being done because they can be done and for no other reason, and at the risk of diluting the brand (and it might be a long time before this happens admittedly), I do get concerned.
I wouldn't say this is some kind of pissing contest with other fanbases, but instead fans with a vested interest in the marketing of the school for whom they cheer, their alma mater, or whatever the connection may be. The Michigan brand, like few others in college football, is a nationally known and iconic brand that evokes a reaction that few brands do in that realm. People identify strongly with it, to a point where tinkering with it is tinkering with their own identity.
I can't be both?
Not for the pissing contest, but I genuinely care about our traditions. We are the winningest team of all time. We had some amazing years in our past, from the point a minute offenses of yost, to the dominance of the B10 during bo's years, from Desmond striking the pose, to Charles Woodson being the first d player to win the heisman, from our national championships, to having the biggest stadium in the country - these things make us Michigan.
Through all of those years, our jerseys remained largely identical - sure there were tweaks over time and he materials changed with technology but the changes were minimal and gradual. The jersey that Desmond wore during his heisman season is almost identical to that worn by Woodson during his. That jersey is a sense of identity. I always looked at the schools that regularly screwed around with their jerseys and though "I guess if you have no tradition, that's what you do" but I always thought we were above that gimmicky crap. Alabama, USC and Texas have traditions similar to ours and they keep their jerseys almost identical. Hasn't hurt them in recruiting. I dont understand why we want to be Oregon.
Also, sorry about so many of the snarky posts on this board. Some people just love to trash topics that don't fit their lofty standards. I like this topic.
Every year, my wife and I get excited when the new fall MDen catalogue arrives. (yeah, I know all of that stuff and more is available online but it has somehow become a tradition to wait until that catalogue arrives look at all the new stuff). The past few flyways we have been pretty disappointed - no cool new shirts, etc - just the same stuff as the prior year. New merchandise could probably make a ton more than some stupid one-off jersey that many people hate.
Just to clarify, there were no away uniforms in college football until the late 1950's. So while our away jerseys have half the life of our epic home ones, they still had very minor changes for over half a century. This of course, discounts the short lived 3 years in the mid-70's where they wore white pants. Numbers on helmets (which all teams had in the 60's), a stripe on the sleeves, and an extra number or block M on the shoulder. That's it.
I'm sorry but those are quite a difference from the Alabama game, the Sugar Bowl, the Outback Bowl and the MSU game. I'd give anything to go back to the piping being the major issue with the away informs.
I'd be happy to love one uniform, if someone could tell me which one of the dozen variations I have seen over the years is the "traditional" one.
I also like the matte look, and dislike the mailman walking on my damned lawn.
I would also reference this post: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/michigan-football-1960s-throwback-jerseys
I hereby cast my vote for these. They are actual uniforms we wore in recent history and would look badass as hell IMO with a little piping...
Based on the thread title, I think only someone named "Tradition" is supposed to answer the question.
Who labeled every post "trolling?" It's been a while since we've had a negbang thread!
fuck tradition, i'd sell my soul for a NC, just win baby
I feel Michigan's tradition is first great academics, winning, winged helmet, block M and finally Maize & Blue
So you're saying that an 12-0 season with a pink and purple 'Script M' would be more respectful of tradition than, say, 2008?
Ok Mike Valenti.
In fact, I really wish they would find a cure for breast cancer, because I am beginning to think the whole pink thing has been commercialized to fund too many "not for profit" salaries.
at Michigan Stadium with a serious buzz and a 17-3 halftime lead is a GREAT TRADITION.
Seriously, my 2 cents: Most UMers are passionate about striving for a standard of excellence - the football team is the most visible embodiment of that standard. We want to show up (or turn on the TV) every Saturday to support the Univ and its commitment to achieving the standard. Of course many fans just watch in the hope of seeing great players and great games, but they are not On Mgoblog.
Good kids, tough football players, 100% effort, fatherly coaches, classy maize & blue outfits, and winged helmets - these are the foundational factors that people associate with Michigan. The combination of those factors should win 80-90% of games and it will always represent UM well.
So, I definitely value the UM traditions.
As I heard Pat Forde once say "No fan base in college football looks in the rear view mirror more than Michigan"
So yeah, traditions are kind of a big deal