TR3Y BURKE Appreciation Thread!
MOAR LOVE for Michigan !
Trey hit the game winner against the Magic. He's had a few game winners already as a rook and he seems to be charging toward the end of the season! He's got that killer attitude and is not afraid of missing a shot.
I hope he and GR3 will play together again in the near future !
This time of year belongs to Michigan ! GO BLUE!
March 22nd, 2014 at 11:56 PM ^
March 22nd, 2014 at 11:56 PM ^
Trey Burke just hit this CLUTCH game winning 3! https://t.co/wkwbe0JUZr
— NBA Central™ (@TheNBACentral) March 23, 2014
When Burke is lining up for a last second shot with a guy closing out at him, I'm pretty sure he's not thinking "whatever, this doesn't matter because the other 9 guys on the court aren't that great."
I notice Burke's shot never touched the rim. A lot of KCP's don't, either.
March 22nd, 2014 at 11:56 PM ^
March 22nd, 2014 at 11:56 PM ^
/ducks
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:23 AM ^
Seems to be his only bucket of the game. I see he's still shooting under 40% for the year, and has almost dropped under 30% from 3. And he isn't even starting any more. Egad. Is anyone still defending this terrible pick?
People have defended opinions worse than this in spite of all facts to the contrary. Some will take it to the grave no matter what.
Co-Sign, especially the impossible to judge part.
Both are on shitty teams, Burke plays more on his so we know more about him (but could argue KCP can't get minutes on a shitty team so we know more about him aka he's bad, etc.), though not the full picture because those minutes are alongside shitty players.
That is essentially what I meant subjectively with my comment above. Add the word "happens" to the end and you get what was actually in my head when I was writing it, meaning that if Burke is an all star and KCP flames out people will still defend the pick. Was trying to point out people defend irrational things (for example, I bet you can find someone who will argue Hitler had a net positive impact on society or whaterver) and didn't intend to infer this particular opinion was irrational, even though the comment can be read as such.
Ahhhhh memories. The good old days of the debating the pro-Borges crew after football games this past fall. Good times.
Seriously though I honestly think the "glass is ALWAYS way more than half full guys" are simply hard wired to support whatever the administration does (or doesn't do) for teams they root for.
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:53 PM ^
I can't speak for others but I definitely wanted Borges gone. I also want the Pistons to part ways with Dumars and get a new coach. So I don't really understand your point. KCP undoubtly has the potential to be a good NBA player and that doesn't have much to do with blindly following sports administrations.
Well it's not like Trey has justified the outrage.
This rookie class might be the worst ever. Everyone has been terrible.
Trey has picked it up a bit this month, but his shooting splits in Februray (35.1-32.7-85) and March (35.1-30.9-100) were atrocious (not to mention the entire season). I mean, in the entire month of March he had 3 free throw attempts(!), and that's it. How is that even possible when you're the primary ball handler and playing over 30 minutes a game?
Look, we can circle jerk over how terrible Dumars is, because he deserves to be fired asap, but if we're being honest with ourselves,, and if we're being objective, Burke hasn't justified the outrage, and he hasn't lived up to the hype (thus far).
For anyone who doesn't want to look this up, the season numbers for the above stats are 38.2-34.8-91.6. A non-exhaustive list of other relevant stats are 5.1 APG, 1.8 TO/G (2.83 ratio), 1.5 FTA/G.
Advanced: 12.9 PER, 47.7 TS%, 44.9 eFG%, 5.6 REB%, 28.9 AST%, .9 STL%, 12.1 TO%, 22.1 USG%, 101 ORtg, 114 Drtg, .9 OWS, .1 DWS, 1.0 WS, .027 WS/48.
For KCP, 39.1-30.5-77.6, with .7 APG, .4 TO/G (1.75 ratio), .7 FTA/G.
Advanced: 8.7 PER, 47.8 TS%, 45.5 eFG%, 5.1 REB%, 5.2 AST%, 2.4 STL%, 6.2 TO%, 13.4 USG%, 104 ORtg, 110 DRtg, .6 OWS, .9 DWS, 1.4 WS, .051 WS/48
Without joining the argument and recognizing this is 1 small paragraph in your otherwise valid argument, but because this bothers me for whatever reason, I still think the skill of the rookie class as a whole is irrelevant when comparing who should be drafted as between these 2 players. To include the skill of everyone else within an argument about Burke vs. KCP, I feel like you have to be essentially arguing "why hold the draft everyone from the Piston's pick down had a value of 0, Burke and KCP are within that group of 0 value players, thus KCP was not a worse pick, he had the exact same value, 0." I think I'm inclined to disagree with that extrapolated agrument but whatever I just say that in hopes of limiting the discussion to the relative values of KCP vs. Burke.
Outside of relative player values, you have to think Dumars is at least looking at the fact that Pistons rank last in % of arena capacity sold per game and thinking what that number would look like if he drafted Burke. Would imagine merchandise sales show a similar league rank. There may be people going to games specifically to see KCP, but I would be very surprised if that numbr is higher than people going to games specifically to see Burke.
There may be people going to games specifically to see KCP? Who? His mom and dad?
Lol trying to give him the benefit of the doubt
saying that it isn't KCP's fault because he's on a crappy team, i call bullshit. Good players find a way to do SOMETHING positive, even when their team sucks. The dude has lost his starting spot to Kyle Singler because Singler can actually shoot. Will Pope figure out how to shoot sometime in the future? Sure, maybe he will. Or maybe he'll be out of the league.
BTW, Burke's March numbers:
13.5 p/g
5.0 a/g
2..6 r/g
1.8 to/g
42% shooting
38% from 3.
Those numbers are all better than Brandon Jenning's numbers in March except that Jennings has slightly more assists at 6.7 a/g. So Burke is already basically playing as well or better than Jennings, yet people are still arguing that the Pistons shouldn't have taken him so they could grab a guy that is now riding the bench? Really? smh
March 23rd, 2014 at 11:56 AM ^
The guy's not the main scoring option. He's #5. He's not drated to be the main scoring threat. Comparing him to Burke is just stupid. If the guy is half as good as Burce Bowen, I'm happy. He's already a pretty good permiter defender and he can improve as a shooter. He's a rookie and people are writing him off. This is so mornoic it's not even funny.
This line of complaining is getting to be the worst.
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:22 PM ^
The guy's not a scoring option at all. Assuming he is going to become anything close to Bruce Bowen is a pretty huge stretch at this point.
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:49 PM ^
I don't know if you watch the Pistons games but KCP barely gets 5 minutes a half. He is one of the better options but the coaches barely give him any burn. It is a very small sample size for Pope.
And that's fine. He doesn't need to be and nor was he drafted to be. If he plays lockdown D and develops a passable offensive game, he'll be fine. Given that he's a rookie, I think we can be a little more patient.
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:01 AM ^
Five seconds....fires the three.....AND THE GAME IS TIED!!! HE'S TIED IT!!!
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:04 AM ^
Jazz are going to be my team in the future.
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:11 AM ^
Burke has been a winner everywhere he goes. NBA teams made a mistake for not drafting him higher up.
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:44 AM ^
Any teams in particular?
The Fort Wayne Pistons
And that he wanted him in Utah instead of BK Detroit? Odds are Burke probabyl would have been cursed had he gone to Detroit.
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:24 AM ^
CrAppling and Craft suck at life...
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:37 PM ^
Yeah, going to the NBA and making millions is sucking at life. What is it you do again?
Gotta love that kid. And he hit it over IU's very own Oladipo.
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:20 PM ^
March 23rd, 2014 at 12:26 PM ^
I would think a nice play by a Uof M alum would simply be celebrated at a Michigan sports blog. Silly me.