Might as well drink it now - I will have a glass with you and completely agree with you.
somehow we're only 124th
Might as well drink it now - I will have a glass with you and completely agree with you.
I see potential to be 10-2 (losses at MSU and OSU). But I also could easily see 7-5. And anywhere in between. So many variables. Does the offensive line (and thusly the running game) improve to respectability? Does another receiver step up in Gallon's absence? Can we actually stop the run vs good teams?
I say 9-3 with it possible to be as bad as 7-5 and as good as 11-1.
fired if the team can't beat Rutgers.
Maybe I look at things differently than most, but I think a B1G schedule with home and away reversed would be much tougher. Take OSU and MSU to be tough at home, then add in trips to Minny, IU, PSU, and Maryland, and it looks tougher to me. I always prefer the middling teams be the home games.
10-3 including the bowl game.
We're a 9 win max team with this staff. So with a senior qb, and an improved line we max out in 2014. Hopefully win the bowl game, that magic 10th win always makes the season feel better
10 wins or blow it up. The schedule is a joke yet with the current staff I see no mote than 8 wins.
This is what I find funny- many are saying the schedule is tough, very tough, with something like 8 wins. Then many say the schedule is cake, should be 10 wins easily. Can we first agree on if we have an easy or a tough schedule here...
The schedule actually isn't that bad if you look at it with perspective. ND looses some very good lineman to the NFL. They return a QB who sat out a year, and barely beat Michigan two years ago. MSU looses their core from the very good defenses of the last 3 years, so they'll be trying to gel. They will not be elite next year, though they should still have a tough defense. OSU is always OSU and will always be a tough game. The rest of the Big Ten is honestly not very good.
Rutgers is basically Indiana with a much worse offense, slightly better defense. Maryland is a so-so team. Minnesotta has very good coaching, not a ton of talent. Indiana sucks at defense and looses a very good WR and RB. Utah is a solid team that is well coached, but not a top 25 team. App State is terrible now. Miami(OH) is a middle of the pack MAC team. Penn State will be tough but have no depth if O'Brien returns. If O'Brien doesn't return they're probably just so-so. Northwestern looses a few key pieces and Michigan even beat them this year.
So that's everyone. Maybe two top 25 teams. Michigan State will probably end up like 20-25. OSU will be OSU. The rest are honestly not that great. So if you look at it from an outsiders view it's really not that tough of a schedule. I hate to say this, because I don't want to compare any teams. However, a Lloyd Carr team would win 10 games(no bowl included) with this schedule and probably at worst get 9 wins going into the bowl game. Honestly, everyone on the schedule next year has weaknesses and is beatable. So I would say the schedule is not very hard. But, it will be a hard schedule with the way Michigan plays on the road and some coaching issues.
Does that make sense? Not so hard schedule to be honest, but very tough games in reality for the team.
They are not middle of the pack, they are awful. I go to Miami and I'm suite mates with two football players and I heard all the in-and-outs if the horrendous job Don Treadwell did this year and I have zero faith in an OC that probably rode Brian Kelly's coat tales. Trust me that is an easy win.
Well see, then that means the schedule is even easier.
We heard about how bad sparty's OL and offense in general was going to be this season in the preseason. Some how their coaches can coach players up. Much of this is probably due to having a full supply of upper class-men ready to take over. In a couple years Michigan will be the same position, without having major youth issues and players ready to take over for those who graduate.
Well I didn't say anything about the offense, and I still said they'll be very tough. A 20-25 finish is very realistic for them.
Problem is that we bought into the hype that surrounded this team the past two seasons going into camp, and we got so overexcited and were left hanging our heads in October.
1. Thomas Rawls hype... Everyone seemed to buy into it last season
2. Denard's drastically improving accuracy
3. The talk that the offensive line was actually making strides this season
4. Defensive line... Any talk that Will Campbell was looking strong and athletic
Not saying that we should lower expectations, but this season was a recipe for failure at almost every position on the field... Offense for example, inexperienced and pitiful offensive line, mixed with QB who is fantastic but gets confidence shaken easily, along with playcaller who thinks that it's possible to either run up the gut or throw downfield every play. Not blaming the players either because I know how hard they bust their asses day in and day out. However, these coaches failed to make critical adjustments throughout the entire season when they were desperately needed. They haven't shown that they can develop any sort of talent (See Chesson, Denard, entire OL, entire DL, etc.) A bunch of these guys are running on the pure raw talent that made them 4 or 5 star recruits. Unless there is serious personnel changes this offseason, I cannot find any optimism for next season.
8-4 at best
I don't even want to think about how bad the worst could be.
The notion that this staff can't develop talent is overblown. Your examples are either extremely specific or flat out wrong (especially on the Dline). So I guess the dratics improvements from 2010 to 2011 along the line mean nothing. Frank Clark's transistion into a quality (still not great) DE from a safety is another example. What about Quinton Washington and Jibreel Black's improvements? Desmond Morgan and Jake Ryan's rise from 3 stars to very quality Big 10 linebackers show your statement to be based off nothing but your own emotions. You know why our 4 and 5 star players have seemed raw these past couple seasons? Because they are Freshman and Sophmores! They are supposed to be raw. I'll admit that a lot more needs to be proven on the offensive side of the ball especially since they need to overcome the inconsistent,questionable playcalling of Al Borges. However to say that players haven't improved would be wrong. It's clear that Gardner has upped his play since the horrible spring pratices we all witnessed in years past. Jeremy Gallon developed into one of the best recievers in Michigan history. Taylor Lewan and Michael Schofield are both NFL tackles. These coaches still have a lot to prove and I'm not completely sold on their ability to take Michigan to the next level but the fact that so many people on this site are convinced that we will be horrible for the forceable future because we played like shit in the who gives a fuck bowl is the most disheartenting thing I've seen on this board in a while. They've brought in the talent and now they'll finally have upperclassman depth. If things go badly next year and we don't see significant improvement, that's the real time to worry.
Peppers plays 22 positions at once and goes off
8/31 APPALACHIAN STATE (W)
Sept. 6 at Notre Dame (L) Their QB is back
Sept. 13 MIAMI (Ohio) (W)
Sept. 20 UTAH (W)
Sept. 27 MINNESOTA* (W)
Oct. 4 at Rutgers (W)
Oct. 11 PENN STATE* (W)
Oct. 18 Bye
Oct. 25 at Michigan State* (L)
Nov. 1 INDIANA* (HC) (W)
Nov. 8 at Northwestern* (L)
Nov. 15 Bye
Nov. 22 MARYLAND* (W)
Nov. 29 at Ohio State* (L)
Dec. 6 Big Ten Championship Game Not this season, may be 2015?
I would say we'll go 8-4. Toss up games will be Rutgers, Northwestern. If we win both of these games then we'll go 9-3. If we lose both we will go 7-5. If we have a lot of injuries, then we could finish .500 and below. If we finish at .500 or below without major injuries, then it will be time to say good-bye Brady Hoke. I think 2015 will be a much better, I'm looking at 10 wins or more and with MSU and OSU at home we could run the table on those two rivals again.
Then we will end up having a season to rival RR '08 season. If you thought this blog was rough this season, Brian may have to shut down the blog mid way through next season.
Lets hope for 7-5 to 9-3 record and progress through the season on both sides of the ball!
Dog: Me trying to enjoy Michigan football this season and next season.
This team is great. Look how much money they made. Face it folks, it's a business now, not a sport anymore. Only thing that matters is $$$$. As long as suckers shell out more money to fill that stadium, why would anything change? Football-wise the program is now second-rate, lower half of the Big 14.
Yes. It seems to be all about $$$ and entertainment (piped in music at BH). The problem is that few of the real fans were entertained by our poor performance over all this year especially against our rivals. In the last 6 years we are 2-10 against MSU and OSU combined. Sad.
I want to be optimistic, but I saw nothing in the way of progress or improvement this year (some minor improvements here and there, but mostly regression overall). So... I'm not writing off App State as a win. Yes, they stink.... so did Akron, UConn, etc... and we saw how close those games were. I mean seriously what does it say about the state of the program when we start questioning our ability to win against Utah, App State, Minny, IU, NW, Rutgers, etc...
We'll probably end up somewhere in the 8-4 range (+/- 1 game), but the season could still tank by our standards if trends don't get turned around (no running game, swiss cheese defense, etc...)
Notre Dame doesn't really scare me that much. They'll be rebuilding a lot of their team (OL and DL specifically), and Golson was pretty mediocre two years ago. Who knows how much progression he has made during the past year. It's on the road, so we could easily lose, but I'd put it firmly in the toss-up category.
Rutgers should be a win. Hoke hasn't been good on the road, but he has beaten bad teams like Northwestern and Minnesota in road games, and Rutgers is a pretty bad team.
Penn State I think should be a win, as they continue to suffer from the sanctions by lacking a signficant upperclass contingent. Plus, with it looking like O'Brien might be out the door, who knows what happens to the current roster or who they manage to hire.
I do agree that, as of right now, MSU and OSU are pretty likely losses, though if Braxton makes the (stupid) decision to go pro, things could get interesting on offense for OSU.
We *should* be 10-2 next year, and if it's anything less than 9-3 (barring significant injuries), I think it'd be time to seriously look at the future of the coaching staff.
Here is my prediction:
L (and I'm really not too convinced we're going to beat the buckeyes again anytime soon)
Well, Ohio State use to have a guy the referred to as Ole' 8-3 Earl.
I think we have 7-5 Hoke. Well, I hope that Michigan can get to 7 wins next year.
Hoke's first year was an abberation, and no, not because he had Carr's seniors.
With a run game and a pass rush, anything is possible.
Just need to find those somewhere......
I will open with a prediction of 6-6. This season has been terrible and I can find little reason for optimism, NSD will pump me up and I will revise my prediction to 7-5. All of the good news out if spring practice will improve my expectations and my prediction will change to 8-4.
Not much will happen over the early summer. Even still, I will suddenly feel better about the team and my prediction will change to 9-3. The feel good stories out of preseason practice and season preview articles will see my prediction climb to 11-1. By the time we beat ND in unlikely fashion, I will be convinced of a 12-0 season and will have thoughts of a national championship. Then my soul will be crushed week by week. Isn't that the way it works now?
Good: No Wisconsin or Nebraska
Bad: No Illinois, Iowa or Purdon't
In short, shittiest schedule ever created.
|Date||Opponent||2013 Wins||2013 Losses||2014 Prediction|
|Aug. 30||APPALACHIAN STATE||4||8||W|
|Sept. 6||at Notre Dame||9||4||L|
|Sept. 13||MIAMI (Ohio)||0||12||W|
|Oct. 4||at Rutgers*||6||7||W|
|Oct. 11||PENN STATE*||7||5||W|
|Oct. 25||at Michigan State*||13||1||L|
|Nov. 1||INDIANA* (HC)||5||7||W|
|Nov. 8||at Northwestern*||5||7||W|
|Nov. 29||at Ohio State*||12||1||L|
I think the Minnesota and Indiana games are going to be very tough wins.
Barring an actual losing season Hoke's job is safe through the end of 2015. He is not on the hot seat with the folks who matter. Statements about heat from the big contributing alums would be more believeable it there were some actual evidence. Most wealthy alums have life experience that involves success in difficult circumstances and have developed the quality of patience.
As others have said it is far to early to predict the outcome of the 2014 season. However there are a couple of things that support an expectation for a better season.
Offensive line blocking needs only to make a modest improvement for both the passing and running game to improve, and with a year of experience and an off season to apply what they've learned modest improvement certainly seems within reach. Borges, much as he is reviled by so many of you, has demonstrated that, with only modest improvements in the coordinated play of the offense, he can call a game that generates plenty of points.
Similarly, Mattison has demonstrated a pretty compelling ability to shore up a defense even when there are holes in his roster. With so many players returning who will also have an entire offseason to apply their experience to their play, modest improvement also seems reasonable.
The record in 2014 as in 2013 will again depend on the play of the oline and to a somewhat lesser extent the play of the dline. Prediction at this time: 7+ wins. Revision to come in August 2014.