How is this Singletary's fault? Isn't he just relaying the message from the coach.
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How is this Singletary's fault? Isn't he just relaying the message from the coach.
In the last day or so. It's a recent development. Hecklinski is taking over.
We have twenty ships available, with only 11 commitments I am disappointed with this decision. The kid has ability and wanted to be a "Michigan Man".
Chris Singletary is a stand up guy whom I know personally and I doubt very seriously that he would ever tell a kid something false if it wasn't a direct order from the coach. Besides by all accounts he will still hold on to his position.
Yeah, I was joking when I said that about Singletary. I think he's done a good job.
But The Wolverine says that Singletary is out as the recruiting coordinator.
Hoke better have freakin sammy watkins lined up.(yes i realize this won't happen)
You can play WR.
Well,...just another crap day for Michigan football,.... Lucien a no go, still no DC..........Oh Well...The only WR we had commited is going juco at this time.... man,....what gives...!
Oh Well...there's always tomorrow.
also...specifically the SEC's signing numbers over the years:
Not sure why we would not want to recruit a highly-regarded kid at WR when we'll be losing several guys going into the 2012 season.
That quote from Lucien makes me feel like crap. Ugh.
Yeah um so well um you see um I'm confused about this decision.
I'm thinking this means the full house backfield is the future offense...
certainly feel bad for Lucien did he say anything about where he may be looking now?
Over my dead body will this kid go to ND and play WR!
not something you should need to sacrifice yourself for, that is some real dedication you have though haha
UCLA, Colorado, Miami (Fl), Arizona State, Kentucky
He's probably a UCLA lock
I hope to see a Hello: Flowers post here soon!
Don't listen to him Lucien! We want you at WR! He doesn't know what he's talking about!
I'm obviously insightful as hell... and I'm still clueless by this move with Lucien.
What am I missing? We have Countess / Hollowell and Brown committed at DB but we don't have any wide receivers.
To be fair we do have like 16 WR's including slot dots. That is some serious overkill for one position. I have heard that Flowers is locked up. This seems to validate what I heard.
I really do feel bad for Devin though. If they were only taking one, I like Devin better myself.
Would Frost be recruited as a WR?
I think the situation when RR was still here was that Kris would be given the opportunity to try WR, I'm not so sure, given the Lucien story, that this would be the case now. Lucien and Frost seem like tremendous talents, and I'd rather have them at WR here instead of pushing them out of the door because the coaches went them on defense.
That's what my first thought was...we were holding this WR slot for Frost. Since the pro style doesn't require as many slot ninjas as RR's system, BH was starting to ween our #s down to a more manageable number....1 WR for this class....Frost and then Flowers as a back up.
We want you to be a DB.
Translation-We don't have the balls to withdraw an offer, but you're not wanted here.
Hello Deanthony Arnett?
Hmmmmm interesting thought there.
Lucien was recruited pretty hard by SDSU. So, I cannot fathom that "you're not wanted here" would be the reason they are Peace'ing on Devin.
Ahh the DeWayne Peace treatment.
Wow, Lucien not a receiver? They must be looking for DB's with some size, that's probably why Dallas Crawford took off. Lucien was my favorite WR recruit this year, he was coming to AA for sure. Ouch! Frankly, we'll be fine without a WR in this class, BH is clearly committing to defense.
Slight problem with Frost here. There's no way BH is telling him he can start out at receiver if he dissed Lucien, that's probably the only thing that has prevented his commitment after Auburn bitched him. Frost needs to accept his fate as a linebacker, it will make him millions. He's vitally important to this class, SIGN HIM UP!!!
A lot of people on this board complained about defense and where were the defensive recruits. Personally, I don't understand this move by Coach Hoke, unless he has someone locked up. Of course, I don't have 20 years of coaching experience.
Maybe that's exactly what BH is doing here. If Lucein and Flowers were to commit it would be obvious that Frost stood no chance at playing WR, BH knowing this and i guess prefering Flowers and only wanting one WR in this class he decides to let Lucein go. In perspective it looks like a depth chart Frost could move up in a year, 2011 sees Frost red shirt and BH goes hard after a few 2012 WRs and tells Frost that if he wants to make it to the NFL it's going to be at LB thus forcing Frost to switch in the offseason. In this scenerio Forst is an all american LB for four years, and the WR depth chart looks like a naked swim suit model to top talent recievers in 2012.
Forst is an all american LB for four years
This is quite a prediction and my heart can't take much more teasing like this (although I hope it'll be true).
and this move defies logic...from a numbers standpoint and from a talent standpoint...Tom, at least if you talk to Devin again make sure he knows the Mich fanbase wanted him here...BADLY
I was excited about him coming to Michigan. Going to sleep bummed out. I hope for good news tomorrow.
also head scratcher - why if Frost loved the school so much - before RR was fired said he would come regardless of the coach - and the change is actually better for him on either side of the ball - why he is still hanging on Auburn's jock.
I guess wanting to be at Michigan isn't enough anymore. He might have even known the words to the Victors!
I feel for Devin...that will inevitably happen throughout the course of a coaching change. I don't think WR is an enormous need but a player of that apparent caliber is hard to turn away. The clock is ticking, hopefully the staff can get in gear and make some things happen with this class.
While we are on the subject of things that don't make sense. Why did the staff recently offer two guys that have been committed to Tennessee for some time now and both are firm commits?
My guess is that they're trying to build a rapport/pipeline in Florida, where Michigan has had considerable success in recent years. They might not intend to get those two guys, but they can at least say, "Hey, Mr. 2012/2013 Recruit, we recruited your former teammates."
Pray for Kris Frost...we need a blue chip player now more than ever.
Doesn't Kris want to be a WR? What if the staff doesn't want him at WR? Are they just going to "turn their shoulder" to Kris like they did Devin? This Lucien story makes no sense to me.
I thought in a drug induced rant I explained this earlier in the thread. This is all a ruse to convince Frost to come to UofM
You don't need wideouts to run the T formation and Maryland I. Of course we are a little short on personnel for that, but they'll work it out.
I think the Lucien situation may be as simple as Hoke not believing that Lucien was a high end WR prospect worth using a scholarship on.
1. There's decent, but not great depth at WR now. This wasn't like offensive line (a position of super high need).
2. They may feel Flowers is close to a lock.
3. They may have promised Frost a chance to try at WR before moving him to LB. So that would make 1.5 WR in the class already...
4. ESPN's rankings say Lucien is only a 2 star guy. Now that seems extreme, but he does have a "light" offer list for a 4 star player like Rivals says he is.
I think Hoke probably thinks Lucien isn't quite a stud, and thinks the depth and situation with Frost is fluid enough that he's not worthwhile as a WR prospect. I have no idea if Hoke is right, but it's not crazy.
The depth at WR is pretty thin, IMO. A few of them will be gone after 2011, and the other outside receivers are somewhat lacking in explosiveness/big-play ability.
Magnus-I remember some on this board contemplated that we should maybe take 2 WR's this year when Conway was committed. If we get Flowers, is that enough. Do you think we need 2 WR's? And do you think Flowers or Frost as a WR is better than Lucien. I thought Coach Hoke should have taken him. I am just trying to understand what Coach Hoke is doing here.