Flavin actually missed the call, but plans on calling back. He's very interested in Michigan, or at least was earlier in the process
TomVH Tweets About MI Contacting IL Commit OL Pat Flavin
but given the fact SDSU offered and he chose to stay close to home (Illinois) opens the door to at least a phone call now that Hoke is in MI. if the recruit only selected Zook due to the geography, that this item has changed opens the door for such a call.
If a guy hasn't signed an LOI, and it's an open recruiting period, you can call him if you want. However, if he's made his position clear, calling all day and night won't do anything but annoy him.
Basically, any recruit is fair game before they sign their LOI, unless they specifically say, "DO NOT CONTACT ME". Some coaches whine and moan about it, (Snake Oil!) but there's nothing "wrong" about it.
Jake Miller opening up his recruitment?
Jack Miller is an interior OL. Flavin is a tackle. Also, Jack Miller is firm with his commitment. I'm only assuming you mean Jake Fisher
You're correct DG - my apologies....
Fisher opened his recruitment. Miller's solid, I believe.
edit: too slow
Are you sure you don't mean Jake Fisher (or Tony Posada)? Jake Miller has said he is solid.
This is hilarious. Miami (NTM) is going to have a more shiny class than us. Recruiting must not be the Hokes forte.
Are you serious? He's had the job for four days.
And what an eventful four days it has been. Massive amount of decommits. It's hilarious. People like Brady Hoke despite every piece of evidence against him. Damn fine speech though. LOL
You honestly believe those decommits were because of Hoke? Shit...
Who else do you think it was because of?
Umm because Hoke didn't recruit them?
Don't waste your time. He's become the same insufferable prick that he was railing against 3 months ago.
I agree. If he is a Michigan fan he will snap out of this douschery he is in at the moment and be more bearable.
I don't care for him myself, but isn't this the pot calling the kettle black? just saying
That isn't even an answer to the question. Nice recruiting class we have coming in. Bang up job all around.
Brian, you should FuManBlue the crap out of this guy, if you know what I mean :)
Not sure Brian would be interested in banning someone who has racked up 16K mgopoints b/c he/she is slamming Hoke...in fact, who's to say it isn't Brian incognito?
Whether Brian agrees with him or not, the judicial system should be impartial.
I'm pretty sure Dude agrees with everything Brian says and forcefeeds it down every other poster's throat. Not sure why Brian would mind that.
It's feeding frenzy time. I love cannibalizing members of the 10,000 point club.
And it was that good before Hoke got the job? Pump your brakes man. You can be pissed about how certain things went down, but this recruiting class and the last 4 days aren't Hoke's fault.
+1 for The Refused reference...
That doesn't even make sense. Are you high?
Didn't like Les Miles, spent a week railing on him.
Doesn't like Brady Hoke, now spending the foreseeable future railing on him.
Is there any coach His Dudeness actually likes?
Richard A. Rodriguez
The Dudeness likes The Dudeness. Amirite? Amirite?
Having IBS must be really shitty.
Does anyone else here feel like his dudeness should change his avatar... considering that Chuck Woodson loves the new hire and it seems that his dudeness does not like it.
Alright His Dudeness, I feel like I need to intervene. I want you to know that I was among RR's fiercest defenders and have been for quite some time. I'm all heart and was nothing short of devastated when he was officially let go; the coaching search undoubtedly took an emotional toll on me. I was angry, sad, upset, listless--you name it--and it admittedly took me a couple days to warm up to the Hoke hire. I even had to overcome a tremendous sense of guilt that I wasn't excited enough about the Hoke hire--I needed confirmation from my fellow M diehard friends that I wasn't a bad fan.
Look, I don't think DB handled this in the greatest way possible and we'll always have questions about "the process" (one which I very much did NOT respect) but I promise you this much: it's going to be okay. We may not know exactly what our offense will look like, how Denard will fit into it and what our recruiting class will ultimately end up looking like--but it's giong to be okay. Hoke loves this school and this program and our players do, too. The recruits who do end up at Michigan will be here because they choose to, and will be rewarded for their choice because Michigan's an amazing place. I'm going to root like hell for whatever school RR ends up at and unabashedly so, but for now, join me in leaving the ledge for safer grounds. It's not comfortable by any stretch of the imagination, but it's safe. I promise. Onward and upward.
perhaps the decommit's lie more on DB's general timing in the CC than the particular coach he's brought in at this point. Now if more decommits happen at the end of this week or after that, then it's probably more on Hoke's shoulder. I think it's too early to lay it at his feet right now.
OK Dudeness - 6 months ago you were one of the better posters, maybe even borderline cool. Since this whole CC situation, you've turned into this super negative Hoke-hater just because you were so pro-RR that anyone who would have come in you would hate. It seems like you want him to fail just so you can be right.
Yes, Dallas Crawford decommitted. Yes the kicker did too. Maybe Jake Fisher will, but maybe not.
Also maybe - we get an OT (Pat Flavin) who is a wash with Fisher. Or we get both. Also maybe - we get a CB better than Dallas to take his place. Also also maybe - with Hoke as the coach, we come within 7 touchdowns of beating a top-half Big Ten team.
You've had way too much Haterade. Maybe you don't love love Hoke, but if you love Michigan, support him and hope for the best.
Nope, at this point it looks like +23
Couldn't say it better myself (now I have Meatloaf running through my head).
Even more impressive if you can remember what he was like 6 months ago -- I have to admit that I really only read the posts, and don't associate them with a specific poster.
You have had nothing but negative things to say about Hoke since he was hired. Give the man a chance! I'm sure he'll have a decent class by the time signing day comes around.
These recruits have no prior relationship with him. What did you expect? And Crawford's still the only decommit based upon the loss of RR. Fisher hasn't decommitted, simply weighing his options. Goudis made it clear he wanted to go to Miami no matter what.
Your bias is bad enough but the fact that you're making up facts to justify it is even worse.
Technically, yes, Fisher has decommitted. He is still considering Michigan in his final group, but would no longer be considered a Michigan commit.
You're right. But all signs point to him likely choosing UM in the end. It's not as if Hoke scared him away, like HD is suggesting.
Helmholdt was a little concerned about Fisher in an ITF Extra posted this afternoon. Though a Sparty on this board posted that MSU insiders think he'll stay Blue. So probably much ado about nothing?
it is unfair to judge Hoke after so short a time, at least you are upholding the standard set for RR.
Rich is gone and no matter how much you complain he will go down in the record books as a complete failure, someone who divided the fan base, was coach when Michigan committed serious violations which has never happened in school history, the worst coach in the history of the school, and blamed everyone besides himself when the team didn't perform well. Hoke is the present and the future so get used to it.
Pretty sweet avatar. those fellas in your avatar ain't worrying too much about our recruiting class. Do you think ancient astronauts made them.
I really don't understand why so many pro-Hoke statements have to be bashes against RR ("blamed everyone besides himself when the team didn't perform well".....that's just a fabrication).
Support Hoke because it's what we've got now. And if people think rationally, it's looking more and more like he'll be successful here, no matter what Brian's paranoia suggests.
But for fuck's sake, let Rodriguez alone, the guy did nothing other than try to coach a team the best he knew how. He wasn't a bad guy and he doesn't deserve this shit that people thrust on him just because those people want to shout down irrational anti-Hoke-ites.
I'm not going to comment on the current recruiting class (or lack thereof), as it's going to change 100 times in the next ~3 weeks. However, I would like to comment on one thing you said:
We all better hope RR was not a "complete failure" b/c the kids he recruited will make up 95% of the meaningful minutes next year, and the vast majority the year after that. Or perhaps you want to start true freshmen over juniors & seniors?
Hoke/Borges/etc will need to do a good job coaching (scheme, playcalling, etc), but the talent they have (or don't have) at their disposal for 2011 and 2012, which is a huge part of football, will not be under their control. They are "stuck" with Denard, Gardner, Lewan, Roundtree, Roh, Avery, etc.
I'm rooting for Hoke b/c I'm rooting for Michigan. But Hoke's "present and future" is not his own, and it won't be for 4 years. Think of that when you decide to credit or blame.
Ya, because decommits and transfers were never an issue when Rodriguez first got the job. Denard is staying, I'd say that is a damn good recruiting job right there.
Yeah, it's interesting how the "conventional wisdom" about 20% of the team transferring after a coaching change hasn't come to pass.
...did the season start already and I missed something? Or are we less than a week in from a coaching change? I'm not taking victory laps yet.
A few players have tweeted that "everyone is staying." For now I'll take them at their word.
Seriously a broken record, Dudeness. Just stop.
That doesn't make any sense. Even if it did, it certainly wouldn't be hilarious.
Hoke already has an All-American CB set to visit us, possibly another highly rated DB, and now a solid OL. He just needs to continue to work these next couple of weeks.
"Suicide hotline, please hold"
Ignoring the obvious snark in your post, a quick look at Miami-OH's class shows 13 total commits, two of which are 3* and one not rated. The rest are 2*. There is no comparison.
I am saddened (well, not actually sad, but you know) to see you continue to melt down.
these kids are RR recruits not BHs, give the guy a chance.
The Hurricanes. But yes - Dudeness needs an intervention. This Hoke hiring has induced some sort of psychotic break requiring him to LOL at the first sign of bad news.
He implied Miami-OH with the NTM qualifier. Either way, he certainly is melting down.
I'm pretty sure Hoke can point to some positive activity on the recruiting trail.
Hoke's priority is the following:
1. Keeping his current players ... don't need a bunch of transfers. It's more important than losing Dee Hart, Jake Fisher, etc. Oh, yeah, and round out his coaching staff.
2. Figure out which guys who are current committed will best fit the his system.
3. Recruit and poach accordingly.
I expect this to be a top 25 class by Feb. 3.
i love the optimism
Has somebody stolen your account log in etc.? Jeebus guy.
and has the ideal size, 6-7 260 lbs, to be an OT. Recruited him at SDSU, so why not give him a call now.
There is some Snake Oil in the tank for NSD.
I wouldn't be surprised if some recruits committed to us by NSD for early PT and that a CC has assured that there won't be another in the next few years (I hope!)
Sorry but hoke doesn't use snake oil, RR did.
or Care Bear Charm ... as long as the recruits come.
Gosh it seems like they are knocking down the doors to get in.
Maybe that has something to do with the fact that our staff isn't completed yet.
I bet if you were a 17-year old recruit, you'd be able to make a decision 5 days after the HC was hired. Because it's not like a big life-changing decision or anything.
you really dropped it. in the mess of things about 3 months ago you seemed to get it and now you're just being a reactionary troll. return to go. do not college mgopoints.
What about that Elliot kid we had on the back-burner for offensive line? And for that matter, Kitchen and that SMU CB? If we're hustling in new recruit prospects, when do we brush the dust off these guys? Or did their interest die with the RichRod administration?
Kitchen was all about UM. We could offer him on NSD and we'd probably get a commitment. James Elliot never had an offer, and was probably never going to get an offer unless we got desperate. With a new coaching staff, the chances of him ending up in AA got even lower. James Richardson, 'that SMU CB', probably firmed up his commitment with the CC, but I haven't heard anything definitive to that regard.
So all may not be lost here.
I actually like James Elliot more than most. It wouldn't bother me if they made him an offer if they lost Fisher.
Elliot's a guard, Fisher's a tackle
I was just editing my post that he is probably a little short for a tackle prospect though.
For what it's worth, even though he doesn't have many meaningful offers, ESPN wound up ranking Elliot at three stars. As to Kitchen, considering none of the services think that poorly of him, I'm just wondering how many CBs we'll try for except for him. Poor lil' crawdad.
From his scout bio: "“I’m good at pass-pro."
This points out a possible flaw in the our OL is as big as a pro-style OL so everything will be fine meme. It will take some time for Hoke to recruit pass protectors.
Your blog is so awesome
Cue the "unwritten BigTen rule" and "snake oil salesman in a wizzard hat" comments that the press will eat up. Of course, we can't rely on the media to properly report that literally every BigTen coach has done this at times including Joe Tiller.
Doesn't matter, Zook isn't a gentleman anyway so Illinois falls outside of the "gentleman's agreement".
No one can possibly judge Hoke's recruiting ability on the outcome of this class. Judge him on 2012 but he's severely handicapped this time around.
Flavin didn't do well at the Michigan camp before... but we really need offensive tackles, especially if Fisher looks elsewhere. I think he would be a solid pickup.
And see, the coaches are recruiting! :)
Some of this late news today is causing me to lean towards Hoke's direction. Extremely critical of Brandon and his Coaching Crisis Circus, I am going to reserve any judgment of Hoke and his recruiting abilities until after signing day. If he truly has a "recruiting prowess" than he will surprise everybody with a couple of steals, Frost signing, and retaining most of the class. And he will get a kicker.
Let the Hoke train rain supreme
the kid seems pretty solid. Offers from Cal, Boise, Oregon, and many more.
Rivals has him listed as a solid verbal to Illinois though.
Gotta dig the offer list, I wonder why Illinois? Hoke should be able to slide in here
kid's from Illinois.
the recruiting class getting filled out by a couple players like Flavin and some offers to the best of the MAC's haul due to the power of a Michigan degree. does it suck? yes. does Hoke know MAC talent and who can be coached up? absolutely. will this be a weak class? yes.
is it dave brandon or RR's fault? no. changing coaches will cause this, regardless of how much time is left on the calendar before signing day. the end.
I love reading common sense on this site.
Now, if next year's class is weak....then wake me from my cryogenic freeze in 4 years.
we dont need to go after bums
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...nothing pisses me off more than jackasses mouthing off about 18 year old kids who, at god damned two stars, are a world more talented at football than any of us.
Please stop contributing immediately.