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January 16th, 2011 at 10:04 PM | While there is little doubt... (Score:1)
IPFW_Wolverines
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it is unfair to judge Hoke after so short a time, at least you are upholding the standard set for RR. 

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life." - Winston Churchill

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:11 PM | Rich is gone and no matter (Score:1)
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Rich is gone and no matter how much you complain he will go down in the record books as a complete failure, someone who divided the fan base, was coach when Michigan committed serious violations which has never happened in school history, the worst coach in the history of the school, and blamed everyone besides himself when the team didn't perform well. Hoke is the present and the future so get used to it.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:19 PM | Good point. Pretty sweet (Score:1)
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Good point.

Pretty sweet avatar. those fellas in your avatar ain't worrying too much about our recruiting class. Do you think ancient astronauts made them.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:34 PM | I do! (Score:1)
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I do!

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January 17th, 2011 at 1:20 AM | This really isn't necessary (Score:1)
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I really don't understand why so many pro-Hoke statements have to be bashes against RR ("blamed everyone besides himself when the team didn't perform well".....that's just a fabrication).

Support Hoke because it's what we've got now. And if people think rationally, it's looking more and more like he'll be successful here, no matter what Brian's paranoia suggests.

But for fuck's sake, let Rodriguez alone, the guy did nothing other than try to coach a team the best he knew how.  He wasn't a bad guy and he doesn't deserve this shit that people thrust on him just because those people want to shout down irrational anti-Hoke-ites.

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January 17th, 2011 at 1:26 AM | We all better hope you are wrong (Score:1)
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I'm not going to comment on the current recruiting class (or lack thereof), as it's going to change 100 times in the next ~3 weeks.  However, I would like to comment on one thing you said:

We all better hope RR was not a "complete failure" b/c the kids he recruited will make up 95% of the meaningful minutes next year, and the vast majority the year after that. Or perhaps you want to start true freshmen over juniors & seniors?

Hoke/Borges/etc will need to do a good job coaching (scheme, playcalling, etc), but the talent they have (or don't have) at their disposal for 2011 and 2012, which is a huge part of football, will not be under their control. They are "stuck" with Denard, Gardner, Lewan, Roundtree, Roh, Avery, etc.

I'm rooting for Hoke b/c I'm rooting for Michigan. But Hoke's "present and future" is not his own, and it won't be for 4 years. Think of that when you decide to credit or blame.

It only ends once. Anything that happens before that, is just progress.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:16 PM | Ya, because decommits and (Score:1)
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Ya, because decommits and transfers were never an issue when Rodriguez first got the job. Denard is staying, I'd say that is a damn good recruiting job right there.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:39 PM | Yeah, it's interesting how (Score:1)
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Yeah, it's interesting how the "conventional wisdom" about 20% of the team transferring after a coaching change hasn't come to pass. 

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January 17th, 2011 at 1:29 AM | I hope you're right but... (Score:1)
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...did the season start already and I missed something?  Or are we less than a week in from a coaching change?  I'm not taking victory laps yet.

It only ends once. Anything that happens before that, is just progress.

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January 17th, 2011 at 2:22 AM | A few players have tweeted (Score:1)
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A few players have tweeted that "everyone is staying."  For now I'll take them at their word.

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January 17th, 2011 at 1:28 AM | Seriously a broken record, (Score:1)
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Seriously a broken record, Dudeness. Just stop.

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January 16th, 2011 at 9:47 PM | Reply to "His Dudeness" (Score:1)
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That doesn't make any sense. Even if it did, it certainly wouldn't be hilarious.

 

Hoke already has an All-American CB set to visit us, possibly another highly rated DB, and now a solid OL. He just needs to continue to work these next couple of weeks.

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January 16th, 2011 at 9:48 PM | (No subject) (Score:1)
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I put up a tough front, but deep down I just want to be held.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:20 PM | "Suicide hotline, please (Score:1)
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"Suicide hotline, please hold"

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January 16th, 2011 at 9:57 PM | Ok... (Score:1)
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Ignoring the obvious snark in your post, a quick look at Miami-OH's class shows 13 total commits, two of which are 3* and one not rated.  The rest are 2*.  There is no comparison.

I am saddened (well, not actually sad, but you know) to see you continue to melt down.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:00 PM | Why are people bitching about stars? (Score:1)
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these kids are RR recruits not BHs, give the guy a chance.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:03 PM | It happens. (Score:1)
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It happens.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:10 PM | I think he meant (Score:1)
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The Hurricanes.  But yes - Dudeness needs an intervention.   This Hoke hiring has induced some sort of psychotic break requiring him to LOL at the first sign of bad news.  

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:31 PM | NTM (Score:1)
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He implied Miami-OH with the NTM qualifier.  Either way, he certainly is melting down.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:40 PM | I'm pretty sure Hoke can (Score:1)
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I'm pretty sure Hoke can point to some positive activity on the recruiting trail.

Willie Heston - 72 touchdowns; 4 National titles; 43-0-1 record; All-American; Law Degree

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:51 PM | I would think (Score:1)
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Hoke's priority is the following:

1. Keeping his current players ... don't need a bunch of transfers. It's more important than losing Dee Hart, Jake Fisher, etc. Oh, yeah, and round out his coaching staff.

2. Figure out which guys who are current committed will best fit the his system.

3. Recruit and poach accordingly.

I expect this to be a top 25 class by Feb. 3. 

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:57 PM | i love the optimism (Score:1)
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i love the optimism

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January 16th, 2011 at 11:36 PM | @dudeness... (Score:1)
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Has somebody stolen your account log in etc.? Jeebus guy.

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January 16th, 2011 at 9:47 PM | Has quite a few offers (Score:1)
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and has the ideal size, 6-7 260 lbs, to be an OT.   Recruited him at SDSU, so why not give him a call now.  

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January 16th, 2011 at 9:56 PM | Well I do hope (Score:1)
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There is some Snake Oil in the tank for NSD.

I wouldn't be surprised if some recruits committed to us by NSD for early PT and that a CC has assured that there won't be another in the next few years (I hope!)

GMAT score =800 = Defensive POTY

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:01 PM | Sorry but hoke doesn't use (Score:1)
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Sorry but hoke doesn't use snake oil, RR did.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:02 PM | I don't care if you call it Snake Oil (Score:1)
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or Care Bear Charm ... as long as the recruits come.

GMAT score =800 = Defensive POTY

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:06 PM | Gosh it seems like they are (Score:1)
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Gosh it seems like they are knocking down the doors to get in.

or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:41 PM | Maybe that has something to (Score:1)
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Maybe that has something to do with the fact that our staff isn't completed yet.

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January 16th, 2011 at 11:57 PM | I bet if it were a 17-year (Score:1)
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I bet if you were a 17-year old recruit, you'd be able to make a decision 5 days after the HC was hired.  Because it's not like a big life-changing decision or anything.

"It would be a travesty, it would be ridiculous to all of a sudden come back and get the feeling back, get the health back, feel good again and then all of a sudden go throw some other colors on my shirt and go coach."

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January 17th, 2011 at 12:06 AM | to be honest (Score:1)
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you really dropped it. in the mess of things about 3 months ago you seemed to get it and now you're just being a reactionary troll. return to go. do not college mgopoints. 

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:03 PM | Backups? (Score:1)
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What about that Elliot kid we had on the back-burner for offensive line? And for that matter, Kitchen and that SMU CB? If we're hustling in new recruit prospects, when do we brush the dust off these guys? Or did their interest die with the RichRod administration?

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:04 PM | Kitchen was all about UM. We (Score:1)
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Kitchen was all about UM. We could offer him on NSD and we'd probably get a commitment. James Elliot never had an offer, and was probably never going to get an offer unless we got desperate. With a new coaching staff, the chances of him ending up in AA got even lower. James Richardson, 'that SMU CB', probably firmed up his commitment with the CC, but I haven't heard anything definitive to that regard.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:09 PM | Fred Jackson is the LA recruiter (Score:1)
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So all may not be lost here.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:11 PM | I actually like James Elliot (Score:1)
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I actually like James Elliot more than most. It wouldn't bother me if they made him an offer if they lost Fisher.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:13 PM | Elliot's a guard, Fisher's a (Score:1)
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Elliot's a guard, Fisher's a tackle

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:15 PM | I was just editing my post (Score:1)
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I was just editing my post that he is probably a little short for a tackle prospect though.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:20 PM | For what it's worth, even (Score:1)
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For what it's worth, even though he doesn't have many meaningful offers, ESPN wound up ranking Elliot at three stars. As to Kitchen, considering none of the services think that poorly of him, I'm just wondering how many CBs we'll try for except for him. Poor lil' crawdad.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:02 PM | From his scout bio: (Score:1)
토린
Joined: 04/07/2009
MGoPoints: 13896

From his scout bio: "“I’m good at pass-pro."

This points out a possible flaw in the our OL is as big as a pro-style OL so everything will be fine meme. It will take some time for Hoke to recruit pass protectors.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:05 PM | Your blog is so awesome (Score:1)
DGDestroys
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Your blog is so awesome

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:09 PM | Cue the "unwritten BigTen (Score:1)
wildbackdunesman
Joined: 07/16/2008
MGoPoints: 2583

Cue the "unwritten BigTen rule" and "snake oil salesman in a wizzard hat" comments that the press will eat up.  Of course, we can't rely on the media to properly report that literally every BigTen coach has done this at times including Joe Tiller.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:26 PM | Doesn't matter, Zook isn't a (Score:1)
Jarred
Joined: 01/12/2009
MGoPoints: 1094

Doesn't matter, Zook isn't a gentleman anyway so Illinois falls outside of the "gentleman's agreement".

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:35 PM | hey, be easy! thats my alma (Score:1)
dmoo4u
Joined: 01/16/2011
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hey, be easy! thats my alma mater you're talking about! 

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January 16th, 2011 at 11:11 PM | Sorry for beating you this (Score:1)
MichiganStudent
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Sorry for beating you this year. BOOM. ROASTED.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:44 PM | No one can possibly judge (Score:1)
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No one can possibly judge Hoke's recruiting ability on the outcome of this class. Judge him on 2012 but he's severely handicapped this time around.

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January 16th, 2011 at 10:54 PM | Flavin didn't do well at the (Score:1)
JC3
Joined: 07/17/2009
MGoPoints: 1316

Flavin didn't do well at the Michigan camp before... but we really need offensive tackles, especially if Fisher looks elsewhere. I think he would be a solid pickup.

And see, the coaches are recruiting! :)

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January 16th, 2011 at 11:01 PM | Some of this late news today (Score:1)
Go Blue Eyes
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Some of this late news today is causing me to lean towards Hoke's direction.  Extremely critical of Brandon and his Coaching Crisis Circus, I am going to reserve any judgment of Hoke and his recruiting abilities until after signing day.  If he truly has a "recruiting prowess" than he will surprise everybody with a couple of steals, Frost signing, and retaining most of the class.  And he will get a kicker. 

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January 16th, 2011 at 11:02 PM | Posted from PC (Score:1)
bluewings
Joined: 11/17/2010
MGoPoints: 509

Kids got a lot of offers.  Good sign.  Has a tall frame just needs the weight.

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January 16th, 2011 at 11:07 PM | Let the Hoke train rain (Score:1)
MichiganStudent
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Let the Hoke train rain supreme

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January 16th, 2011 at 11:12 PM | judging by the offer list... (Score:1)
steviebrownforh...
Joined: 02/01/2009
MGoPoints: 2548

the kid seems pretty solid.  Offers from Cal, Boise, Oregon, and many more.

Rivals has him listed as a solid verbal to Illinois though.

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