Does he project to OG or OT?
i refuse to even consider this a possibility
Does he project to OG or OT?
Guard if I'm not mistaken. Would be a great final OL addition.
Excellent player and would add some versatility with 2 interior guys, 2 tackles, and 2 guys who could play either.
Scout rates him the #1 guard in the US of A
This sounds like good news for us, this kid seems like he is the real deal. I think him or Diamond will finish out our O-Line class for 2012
I wouldn't argue with that.
Daaaang, that would be a massive get. #1 OG to Scout, #5 OT to Rivals. Joshua Garnett or Jordan Diamond and call it a day on the OL.
don't forget the # 8 offensive tackle on Rivals Erik Magnuson
He's saying Garnett is the number 5 OT to Rivals and number 1 OG to Scout. I think you thought he was referring to Kalis as the number five OT to Rivals. Kalis is 4. This would give us the 4, 5, and 8 OTs according to Rivals. Not a bad haul.
Oh I see, I have one eye on the Tiger game. My bad
Adding Garnett along with Kalis and Magnuson (and Bars and Stacey for that matter). This commit could solidify a huge O-line to protect Shane Morris.
The Night Game is shaping up to be a very big game for us.
Boom, yak attack.
A rookie mistake.
You're right. I blanked on that one. My bad.
And Ben Braden too
there we go
It happens to the best of us. And me.
I have not seen you in ages!
Zach Banner is also visiting for the ND game. Those of us lucky enough to be at the game need to make sure the Big House is insane that night. The list of recruits coming is amazing and even though we don't have room for all of them we need to make sure they are all talking about the first night game in Big House history.
...justice to Coach Bielema and the Wisconsin Badgers, for their filthy play called to take Mike Martin out of the game with a blow to the knee.
They risked ending his career that day, and I gleefully await the day that we grind Bielema's D-line into the ground with no cheating involved (it will have to be the conference championship game this year.) I mean GRIND... with Kalis, Magnuson, Bars, Braden, Stacey, and any other beasts that care to join, carrying that tradition forward.
I understand Tom just said this..but just to reinforce this a bit, Magnuson and Garnett have become VERY close, it seems.
Does this mean he is less likely to be a package deal with Banner?
I don't know who reported that but that was never the case. Garnett actually told me early on that he thought Zach was looking for different things in a school than he was. They were never a package deal. Garnett said to me that it would be cool if they ended up at the same place, but didn't think it would happen.
I don't think they'll be going to the same school unless they both stay in state and go to UW. It seems like Garnett is more into the academics and there were some rumors that he really liked Stanford. Academics don't seem as important to Banner.
Pure speculation on my part, but if I had to guess in reading some of the stuff out there, I'd say that it eventually comes down to us, Stanford, and UW for Garnett, and USC and UW for Banner.
Package deals don't work out that often and I doubt we would take both anyway. Both good linemen, but 2 more OL at this point would be really excessive.
We are going to have rediculous depth on the O-line soon. Tis' a welcome change.
Maybe he saw the ridiculous depth we had in the '01 Citrus Bowl on the Big Ten network earlier and wanted to do it again.
Hopefully Brionte Dunn is seeing this O-line class right now and decides to come to the good guys.
Hopefully he is moving it up to grab a spot before we fill up. I am still suprised Diamond has not committed but I would love to get Garnett. Picking up a great west coast player could be huge for pulling future recruits.
Dunn probably wouldn't get to play behind many of these guys until his senior year. WRs/RBs should probably pay less attention to the QBs/OL who are in their recruiting class because they may only end up being on the field together for 1 year. Since WR/RB can play right away and often contribute if they are good, and QBs/OL generally don't start til at least RS Fr and usually after that.
You're right about the trend, but I would expect a RB to play more than just one year behind several of these OL commits. For a couple, it might even be three years. Our OL depth is not great.
Agreed, our O-Line recruits are talented and coming into a position of need. That's a recipe for contributing early and often.
This kid has the most dominant film out of any lineman we have been recruiting. Garnett is a beast.
He's also really smart. He would be one of my top choices if I could pick an offensive lineman in this class.
Depending on how players get reranked and how many 5 stars rivals gives out, Michigan could end up with 3 5* OL.
are going to become men and pave the way for our power run game and back to big ten titles!
That gif is ... different.
Would we rather have Garnett instead of Diamond?
Garnett is a consensus top 50 guy.
I would, but I know nothing.
I think most would say yes. Garnett seems to be a little more flexible to guard or tackle, and with the guys we have, he may be the one that could move inside because of his versatility.
Could play either:
So... which would you rather have, another guard in Garnett, or another tackle in Diamond? From what I gather, Kalis and Bars are both best suited to play guard, and I think Garnett is also most likely slotted to be a guard as well, even though the sites seem to think he could do both. IMO, if we get Garnett, either Stacey or Bars will end up moving to center, with my money on Stacey, if either wants to play. Its a good problem to have I suppose, but I'm going to be a little bummed if Diamond misses the boat after all this time, even though Garnett is probably the better player. One thing is for sure though... this line is going to be fucking awesome.
EDIT: After re-reading, I discovered that apparently I really really like commas.
From whatCaleb Stacey and his coaches have told me I think he will end up at center. He's already been working at center this summer.
I guess that pretty much solves that issue.
Generally, it's easier to move from OT to OG. If you recruit a kid for OT and you need to move him to OG that is easier than the other way around. OT are usually a bit taller and more athletic in a "they move better" sort of way, but we really are splitting hairs here.
All four of Garnett, Diamond, Bisnowaty and Banner are among the best OL prospects in the country and almost certainly could play both. They also have not even played their senior years in high school, so projecting them 2-4 years into the future is extremely difficult. We should want whichever one has the best attitude and will fit in with the culture Hoke is trying to build at Michigan. That would be the deciding factor I would use if all four wanted the spot and I could pick only one.
but, this is a sports blog after all, and it is fun to project. I just think that given the available information, I think these players will probably end up where I suggested. For the record though, I'd love to have either.
Don't be shocked if Kalis or Stacey end up being the center in this group...
I would certainly be shocked if Kalis ended up at center..
Coaches have said time and time again that they want the best OLmen on the field, regardless of position.
Kalis has been seen as a leader/recruiter/etc. this offseason so I'd be willing to think he'd be selfless enough to move to the center spot.
Kalis' knock has also been arm length. See David Molk.
...Michael Brewster at OSU was listed at 6'5 300 coming out of high school and was orginally listed as a OT. He moved to C to make room for J.B. Shugarts and Mike Adams in the same class.
Is it a stretch? Maybe...but don't be shocked, it's been done before.
If either were to commit I wouldn't be upset that we didn't get the other. However, I've been hoping for/expecting Diamond to go blue for a very long time, so it would hurt to see him go elsewhere.
I'm pretty sure Diamond has long maintained that he's holding off on committing because he wants recruiters to see his teammates play; if he signs now, fewer eyes will be on his buddies (although certainly some would keep coming). If this is indeed the scenario at play here, M is probably saying we want you, Mr. Diamond, but we're not gonna be left hanging. First blue-chip to commit gets the spot.
would love to have Garnett over Diamond. Both are very good but definitely Garnett for me
One more vote for Garnett.
just a reminder to be careful. both diamond and garnett are great prospects however remember many prospects and hs coaches may come across this blog and i doubt they wanna see a fanbase come to a consensus that they much rather have one recruit over another. just please be careful.
Good point, but to be fair no one is really saying that Diamond stinks at football. I think we would be more than a little happy to have either one come to play in Ann Arbor.
To put it another way, I love grilled cheese and steak sandwiches. I would prefer a steak, but if you give me a good grilled cheese I'm not going to cry. (I guess I'm hungry tonight...)
Or you just put steak on your grilled cheese.
You shut your mouth sir. No two mere pieces of bread could hold together a sandwich of that awesome magnitude. Steak on a grilled cheese could very well destroy the space-time continuum itself.
This isn't really a steak/grilled cheese discussion, this is more of a steak at a 5 star restuarant and a steak at a different 5 star restuarant. Just because one steak is more highly regarded does't make the other any less delicious.
man247 makes a good point, and its something to always keep in mind. It does smack a bit of buckeye-esque arrogance to vote on preference of one recruit over another. Michigan arrogance means that we would be above that. In other words, would be too arrogant to degrade ourselves like that. In choosing between the two, we simply want the kid who most wants to play for Michigan.
Having said that, recruits and coaches trafficking this site should also keep in mind that those voicing their opinion here represent perhaps about 1% of the UM fanbase. They represent the most fanatic of fans. Very few UM fans follow recruiting closely enough to comment on a blog about whether they would prefer one recruit over another.
It's different then bashing a recruit though. I'd love to have either one. It's not a knock on Diamond, some people just think Garnett is better.
Cant go wrong with either one. Just want to make sure we get one.
Yep, this is a win win situation.
Just thinking abuot a line with Magnuson and Kalis on it makes me happy either way.
Diamond has been my guy from day one but it seems like the longer things go the less likely he ends up in this class. I won't shed a tear if we lose him to Garnett, the kid is an absolute wrecking ball. Dunn has to see what is happening. Go read Bucknuts (painful I know) but they're scared $hitless about their OL depth and recruiting class. I really believe Dunn goes blue in the end. Not enough spots left!!!!
I can only see that him moving his date up earlier as a good sign for michigan. He knows we only have 1 spot left for OL and if he waited to visit at the OSU game it would be very likely gone.
Schilling was a Washington kid. Would be good to see Garnett make the same move.
I've been expecting all along that UW would get both Garnett and Banner. Sarkisian has the program moving in the right direction.
How about if we just go to a 7 man o-line and get both Garnett and Diamond? And Banner too for that matter.
Talk about your pocket protection, Morris would have all day for receivers to get open.
I have said this for quite some time but Garnett is simply my favorite OLineman in the country. Yes better than Peat or any of the other tapes I have watched not just who we are in on. Every time I see film on this kid I am impressed by something small that I missed the last time. He is truly that good and like Tom mentioned he seems to be very smart and the few times I have heard him speak I was equally impressed. Seems like a great kid and anyone who Magnuson has befriended seems like a great person to me! This would be an amazing addition to this already great class and round out our OL recruiting. Hopefully we can get him on campus, impress him and the other big time players that will be in town for that game, and get Garnett to Go Blue.
Thanks for making my Tuesday night Tom.
I totally agree with your assessment. Best film out there outside of Kalis.
I've been impressed by the comments from a lot of these kids. Strobel, Magnuson, Wormley, Kalis, etc. all seem very smart and Garnett seems to fit that mold as well. When Hoke and Mattison say they are looking for kids that fit the program I think they are weighing brain power and integrity alone side playing ability and potential. We all know these characteristics aren't considered in concert by some coaches.
Is there any chance UM takes two more OL?
Texas or Alabama has had a similar (or better) haul on the OL in the past 10 years, although this is definitely the best OL class that UM has seen in quite a while
I follow Big-12 football to watch Baylor, and let me tell you, I do not trust Texas O-Linemen. I would never have said it while we were recruiting him, but I was glad when we passed/were passed on by Keenan. Everything in Big-12 football is built of athleticism, so the skill position players are the most important part of the game down there. I find them to be very weak in the trenches. This, however, is not usually reflected in rankinghs, which I find to be overly generous to Texas linemen.
So, yes, Texas might have received as highly rated an O-Line class, but I don't believe they have gotten as much overall quality as I actually expect from this class (expectations wise).
When a recruit takes an official visit for a game, does he get a full visit? Do the coaches have time to talk and give him a tour of the campus and so forth? I was just wondering which would be better, visiting in July or visiting during a game?
Hey Tom, I know you're probably not reading this thread anymore and the game is a long way away, but is there any way we could get some kind of rundown on who is gonna be in for the ND game? It seems like every high school football player in the country will, so I lost track a while ago. Thanks!
I'd rather have the midwest guy with offers from 8 other B1G teams and ND rather than the west coast guy getting PAC12 offers (and ND).
Keeping a big time recruit away from your conference opponents has to be a factor when looking at two equally talented players.
You take the guy you want most. You recruit offensively, not defensively. UM would never turn down a player they liked more because they were worried that the alternative would mean another B1G school getting a good player.
Numbers always work out because you never get everyone you want...but the amount of talent interested in us is staggering.