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landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
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Linebackers are we taking in this class??
ill say....based on my edumacated guess...17.
Great news Tom. Thanks a lot for the update!
If we were to land Bolden and Ringer, how do you think that would affect our recruiting/chances with RJS and Ross
I am not one to turn away 4 star Lb's but that is definitly my question as well. Can we afford 4 lb in this class?
If there's no attrition, then I don't see how we can take four linebackers. But if our class grows, then I can see it.
there won't be attrition though right?
History suggests there will be attrition. But it's impossible for me to say one way or the other.
U seem to be pretty knowledgeable on all of these recruiting subjects, so im curious if we may not have room for 4 lb's then what type of position breakdown do you project for the class?
By my count, right now we only have 16 spots:
The coaches have stated to recruits that they want 6 offensive linemen.
+1 running back
+2 tight ends
+1 defensive end
+2 defensive tackles
= 16 scholarships
I think the class will get bigger than 16, but that's about what I would expect for now.
I know we currently have many WRs, but after not taking any last year shouldn't we expect at least one in this class?
Well, you have to make sacrifices somewhere. And if there's no attrition, then a wide receiver isn't really necessary.
Were there any WRs in this last class, though?
I admittedly don't follow or remember recruiting stuff as much as most people on the board, but I seem to remember people being confused and kind of pissed that the staff passed up on Lucien specifically because WR is going to be a position of need in the next year or so.
We lose 3 of our 4 top WRs. Of course we need at least 1 WR in this class.
The numbers disagree.
But it's a moot point, anyway. We only have 16 scholarships available for next year, but that number will surely increase. So it doesn't really matter.
I'm soooo happy you didnt write "mute" point. I had seen it twice in a row and I don't think I could've handled thrice...
we will take a WR in this class. Do you think the coaches would turn down a Stefon Diggs,hell no.
What RS juniors at this point could we not give a 5th year to if we needed some wiggle room?
Don't like answering this but Cox and T.Robinson jump out as guys who might not get a 5th. Other candidates are Barnum, Demens, Floyd, Khoury, Kovacs, Mealer, Moore, Omameh and Roundtree but almost all of them will be contributing significantly.
There is a bit of wiggle room there but that's an issue that can wait until later on.
Khoury (backs up 2 spots on the line); Omameh (hates donkeys almost as much as Taylor Lewan) and Roundtree?
Didn't say they were legitimate possibilities. Those are all the redshirt juniors this year and with the exception of Cox and TRob, all of them are A) starters or B) The only existing depth. Subsequently, they're not candidates to not receive a 5th year. I'm not the coaches so I'm not the one making the call but Cox and TRob are the only ones in that group who haven't been significant contributors thus far and are in positions where we actually have a bit of depth.
I'm guessing TRob is the only one who really fits the bill. My Magic 8-Ball tells me that Cox is going to be a bigger contributor this year, whereas We have about 6 more slot ninjas than we currently need.
You think some of this players can play in another position? Bolden is like 6'3" but don't know if he could en up playing in some other position
I don't think Bolden has much position flexibility. He's a linebacker or, if he grows a lot, maybe a rush end. That's about it.
We have to take RJS though don't we?
Well, Jenkins-Stone is really the only MLB in that entire crew, so yeah, I think he's the biggest "must have" of the four.
I see you mention he is a 4* but I didn't see him on the list that was posted earlier on the site. Anyone have any more hard ranking facts just for thoughts?
Bolden's a 4-star (#27 OLB) to Scout and is ranked 16th in Ohio by OSU's Rivals site (3rd best LB in the state).
Point to make regarding the RJS/Ross debate. There may not be room for 4 LB's. That said, if we land Ringer and Bolden, it's not as if we're given schollies to scrubs. Both are arguably the top LB in Ohio and should be 4-stars (or high 3-stars) if that matters for you.
Do I want RJS and Ross? Absolutely. But if there's no room for them because we've got Ringer and Bolden, I certainly won't be disappointed.
Michigan doesn't want Michigan guys. Who does this Hoke guy think he is. Sparty owns the state!
michigan state "owns" the state because they have to wait around for in state guys to decide because they arent recruiting nationally, we can afford to tell recruits that we want them but they need to decide or their spot will be gone. we can't wait forever for players in state to decide and hope they choose us
2 guys are ranked 1 and 3 in the state of ohio,i take that any day. I think we might gets RJS but i don't no about James BIGGS Ross.
That's a good question and I'm not sure how it will affect everything.. The coaches want Royce Jenkins-Stone for middle linebacker and Ross, Bolden, and Ringer for outside spots.
So assuming Bolden and Ringer fill up those spots, wouldn't that significantly impact Ross' decision?
Good players aren't typically scared away by competition.
Michigan is going to take the players they want if those players want to commit. If Ross wants to come here, I would imagine the coaches will squeeze him in, even if it comes at the expense of another recruit's commitment.
I'm wondering this same thing too. I think Bolden is a great prospect, but so is Ross, and Ross is coveted by our rivals more. With Ringer seemingly committing, and Bolden looking good, I fear it may drive Ross to a certain hated rival, since they are being recruited for the same positions. I think part of recruiting is denying your foes what they desire as well as getting your team what they need.
they should commit. Sounds like Bolden is a Michigan man and is taking one of the LB spots.
you talking about msu or psu. I don't think he would go to osu,with all the stuff that has happen there in the past 9 years. The ncaa is about to drop the hammer on them.GO BLUE!!!
This and the "how many linebackers are we going to take" question are the two I'm wondering right now. We''re looking at a few people on the lines on each side of the ball. We probably need at least one player at some of the skill positions and a quarterback. Defensively, we're going to be looking a few linebackers and may be a defensive back? We have 20 schollies?
1 QB, RB, WR, TE, FB, DB
Does that approximately what we're looking at?
That coaches want six offensive linemen.
They also seem to want at least two tight ends, because they're offering pass-catching types as well as blocking types.
I do think they want 6 OL and 2 TEs. However, if we get 4 LBs who commit early, we could handle taking 5 OL and 1 TE to make room for them, since they are all high-talent guys. This is, of course, if we don't have attrition to make room.
We need 5 OL and a TE, and taking more than that is a luxury. I don't think we turn down Ross or RJS for a 6th OL or a second TE, unless the 6th OL is a big, big name.
The coaches have told recruits "We're going to take six offensive linemen." So I'm going to trust that over speculation. Three linebackers would give us plenty. Five linemen still wouldn't give us a stellar number of players for 2012, especially with the washout rate of offensive linemen.
that means its either Ron Thompson or Devin Funchess or would we take both?
I think we would only take one of those two. Thompson is more likely.
Tom thanks as always for a good update. Bolden would be a nice addition and a solid way to start our defensive recruiting for the next class. Hardworking leaders are always a plus to get, and could help some more pieces fall into place early on.
thx tom. always look for and appreciate your posts.
Well, outside of Demens, none of our other members of LB Corp are really proven, so I wouldn't be opposed to taking 4 LBs in this class. Will be interesting if anyone chooses to leave after spring practice. I think we'll end up with 20-21 schollies for class IMO.
Four linebackers wouldn't be out of the question. We lose three to graduation this year (Fitzgerald, Evans, Herron), which would leave us with the 6 current players plus the 4 freshmen. Adding another 4 players in 2012 would bring our numbers to 14 (assuming no further attrition). That's a little high to fill only 3 positions, but it's feasible.
that J.B. Fitzgerald is a senior!
...another case of a stupidly burned redshirt.
Definitely feasible and it seems that Mattison knows how to get multiple linebackers on the field at different spots. If Ross and Stone are the best players available and we don't have to turn away someone of need I am sure we will find a spot if they want in.
Possible 3-4 in future adpating to personel?
It's possible. Mattison has run both. But we're still recruiting 3-tech style DT's like Sheldon Day.
what i'm thinking. He did run a 3-4 with the ravens. Besides Cam Gordan and maybe Kenny Demens who else do we have? I think we have a lot of talent on are roster but it's unproven GO BLUE!!!
Possibility of some position switches for some of the guys currently listed under LB. Frank Clark was also considered a possibility at TE (need some depth there). Hopefully one of the bigger guys like Paskorz can move to DE (need depth there too). Also it has been discussed that Desmond Morgan would make a great FB.
The staff isn't going to turn down RJS , Biggs, Bolden or Ringer when we have little "proven" depth.
Paskorz might be moving to TE. In one of the scrimmage videos it shows him playing some TE.
I'm not sure if that's Paskorz or a walk-on. There's also a #94 with a white jersey on, which could very well be Paskorz.
I will take him any day on my recruiting list. I want kids with character, smart & good ballplaying skills. The coaching staff recognizes this 3.9 core gpa. Come on. He is looking at tradition, defensive schemes, academics.
We shall see what happens.
Sounds promising! Thanks TomVH!!
Could turn "we could be getting a 4* LB" into a problem. Beyond that he would probably be the highest ranking LB on the roster, isn't it nice to wonder "how are we going to fit all these great players who want to come?" rather than the "ANOTHER 3*?!?" fights? Let's get them all to actually commit (and close enough that they'll sign too), and then worry about it.
Well what else should we complain about then? "Damn, that 5* QB had a great visit?", or "Shit, all this positive press is terrible." We are what we are.
Is it due to that thing called upperclassmen? I've heard rumors of it, but I'm unfamiliar. Any help from the board would be much appreciated.
Ringer was in town this weekend.
TOM...whats your feeling on Ross and Jenkins-Stone? Because it certainly seems that Ohio LBs appear to be more interested in Michigan, than the local two. Ross I hear grew up an OSU fan and Jenkins-Stone I hear is getting ideas of SEC-grandeur.
ringer > bolden. Idk film can obviously be misleading. but this class can take 2 LBs max...is bolden worth it?
I wouldn't say 2 max, I would say ideally 2 if there's no attrition. 3 is possible even without attrition and then if a few guys leave it opens up a lot.
Ringer has offers from Iowa, Ilinois, Syracuse, and West Virginia, among others. But that may be because schools saw it as an Iowa/Michigan race early.
Bolden has offers from Tennessee, Stanford, North Carolina, Arizona, as well as Illinois, Syracuse, West Virginia and Northwestern.
If the 4 linebackers we take are the #1 and #2 in MI, and the #1 and #3 guys in OH? Yes, we can take 4.
but there are needs all over the field and last recruting class we really overloaded the team with linebacker prospects. we need to focus on the two lines, 2 TE's, 1 QB, 1 RB. idk btw we may have jumped to conclusions with bolden btw, he has a sweet offer sheet. I dont mind if he picks michigan but I want those Cass Tech boys.
Before everyone gets worried about taking too many linebackers let's see who he picks first. He hasn't told me who he's leaning towards or potentially picking so I don't know.
you can say that,now i'm no expert nor do i know him but from that post it seems like he is BLUE.
not 16. Sorry not trying to be a stickler, but the number to reach at the moment is 18 not 16, and after attrition I would figure we will be looking more towards 20-21 by fall. Just a gut feeling. So if we have to take 4 LB's I don't think it will be a problem in the end. We also need do need a WR or two in this class. After this season gone are Odoms, Stonum, Grady, and Hemmingway. That leaves J. Robinson, Jackson, Stokes, Williams, Gallon, Roundtree, and Robinson (Not sure Dielo will be anything but ST).
By my count, we will have 84 scholarship players in the fall. Fifteen of them are leaving.
15 + 1 = 16
If I somehow miscounted in there, please tell me where.
(I know it's yellow text, which is hard to read. I haven't had a chance to change it yet.)
do you mean 'maize'? yellow is dead to me.
This might be a stupid question Magnus, are you counting in Ray?
It's not a stupid question, but no, he was removed from the list and not counted.
Not trying to be a dick but where's the 18 coming from? By my count we have 84 schollies (after Vinopal left) with 15 graduating seniors which gives us 16 to give.
Only guess I can make is that you aren't renewing a couple 4th year guys for 5th years. To each their own but maybe we should see what happens this season before crossing that bridge....
That we wouldn't still take Ross and RJS? I certainly don't. I know the numbers, but still, don't be surprised if they take 4 LB.
And I still think we will have 20 schollies to give out.
In this era, there is attrition even on teams that didn't have coaching change. Nowadays, players are FB friends with their old HS teammates and players they meet along the way. When they aren't getting the PT they wanted, an ex-HS teammate from Generic Directional University will say something like, "Hey, I know GDU isn't where you wanted to go, but I really like it here and you are tons better than the guys playing your spot here right now."
So, they transfer to GDU, play a few years, and still don't make the NFL, which is every player's original intention. But at least they played in college. Usually, those players are doing both teams a favor because they are freeing up schollies for new recruits and are giving the lesser schools a usable player.
I would imagine that at least five players would leave in any coaching change year. The number has been low so far, and that is to Hoke's credit, but I think we'll have a much better idea of where things (and players) are going after the spring game is over, or maybe after the semester ends.
but both Rivals and Scout have 18 available schollies for next year.
Mike Willaims counted too maybe? Terrence Talbott is on the roster but not offically back with the team is what I have read numerous places. If he doesn't come back maybe that free's up another?
I counted Williams in with the seniors since he's on a medical scholarship and this will be his last year anyway. That's still 16. My guess is they're either budgeting for attrition before it happens or they're thinking a couple redshirt juniors won't get a 5th year. 18 could very well be available, just don't think the math adds up right now.
Unless Rivals and Scout are withholding information about guys who have departed, then 18 is too many.
I didn't count Mike Williams.
I've heard that Terrence Talbott is still on the team, and he's still on the roster. So I can't remove him from the list yet.
Was Kovacs awarded with a scholarship for next year? For some reason I thought he had a year-to-year wait and see since he was a walk-on.
He is a Domer fan. I am sure at least an ND offer would give him pause, and maybe even OSU. Way too early to be worried about creating room for other recruits who may or may not end up here anyway.
if we dont take a wr, not having any in 2 classes sound slike disaster ... the point pry doesnt matter though because the class will pry be bigger than 16