does that mean we can recruit devin lucien as a WR?
TomVH: Hakeem Flowers Update
I have been watching highlight films on both flowers and lucien and they are two completely different wideouts. Flowers kind of reminds me of jefferies from SC. Tall and long, def a long strider. Lucien looks more compact and better in traffic, uses his jumping ability to go get the ball at its highest point, which is very hard to teach!
Maybe Tom or someone has some insight onto why we aren't going after both?
I know everyone is all "OMG 12 recruits" but it might just be that we don't have room for both.
As of today we have 12 commits, room for probably 8 more. Likely commits are Bryant, Taylor, Rawls, Fisher (again), McClure, Raven, Willingham, Clark, and a handful of TE and DL guys we're been chasing after. All in all, that's mroe than 8 guys, not to mention the other Keith Heitzman types that we don't know about until 12 hours before they commit.
I bet you Hoke has a plan here, he's done this before. He knows what postions he needs more than others, and he knows which recruits have a good or bad shot at committing. Let's wait and see how all this plays out.
Very good point! WR is not the biggest need on this team! We still have a lot coming back! If we could pull all of those eight recruits, I would give Hoke and company a "A" for keeping this class together and adding some nice pieces! In only 2 weeks time!
I think you could get your point across better with more exclamation marks. Just a tip for future postings.
off not putting your points across at all.
to label all of those guys as likely.
That's fair. They're anywhere from "plausible" to "likely."
although it sounds like Raven might not be that plausible.
My issue is: with no disrespect intended to the guys we've gotten commits from in the last couple days, at least some of the guys we're filling this class out with are lower ranked guys. That's totally understandable given the timeframe and everything, but I'm just not sure we're in a position to turn down 4 star guys, even if they're not at a position of need.
And we're not that deep at WR. We have a bunch of young guys on the roster, but none of them have really hit the field and shown anything yet. It's mostly Stonum, Roundtree, Hemingway, some slot guys we're not sure how the new system will utilize, and then a lot of guys we don't know anything about.
Thinking out loud that an 18 year old kid you know nothing about has character flaws is kind of a dickheaded thing to do. Just a thought.
He wasn't intending to speak of a "kid" but "kids" in general. See the conclusion of his response as evidence that he was not intending to insult someone specific
I think the same thing...but then I also remember I'm no expert and I trust the coaching staff. If they dont' want to give it to him for WR there has to be a reason we're not seeing....
Justice Hayes just tweeted, "We got a kicker!" Wile from Cali
This is great news and everything, but did you just reply to every comment you were reading at the time? Some of your comments with the announcement are in some odd places, like the thread about Draper resigning.
Funny,...just our luck....no WR's in this class so far.... Hakeem , you look much better in BLUE... !
can't live with it. can't live without it.
Not looking rosey.
I'm not going to worry until I hear a different school's name escape his tulips.
Tom you are so cryptic. Thanks anyway.
Recruits tell him some things in confidence. If he wants to keep recruits' trust, he's got to hold some things back.
Hopefully he chooses the good guys, but at this point we may be okay at WR to withstand a loss.
Hope we can land him.
Why neg this? We lose Hemingway, Stonum, Odoms, and Grady after this year. I would much rather have some sophomores or redshirt freshman to replace them than true freshman.
I changed it before you responded, however. Stokes will already be a junior this year, and to date, he hasn't done much. Roundtree will be a senior after this year. Miller might move to TE.
Jeremy Jackson saw some PT and we have unproven talent in RS frosh Williamson and the other guy, No. 83. Can't think of his name at the moment. The rest are slot ninjas.
but I am not too concerned about Stokes. The primary reason he "hasn't done much" is because of those ahead of him in the pecking order. I am confident that Stokes will pick up the torch when it is his time.
I just wish RR did not waste his RS year for some scrap time against Baby Seal U.
the rumors of Ricardo and Jeremy Jackson moving to TE.
I hate Tom Beaver more than most. He put Flowers at his patented "51% Michigan" this morning. That is all. I hate Tom Beaver.
I don't know when they talked to Flowers, but I just got off the phone with him. I don't mean to be cryptic or withhold info, I just can't say more than that.
I don't even know how to explain it. If Flowers gets a phone call today, Michigan will be fine. If not, then they won't.
I was just providing additional info. Not saying who was right or wrong.
Hakeem...............Its the Hokester on the phone.........he wants you to know
THE HOKESTER WANTS YOU!!!
Someone get on the phone with Hoke.
But maybe you're right.
WR is a position where guys can contribute immediately, or close to it. I think we all agree we're set at WR for 2011. In 2012, we'll have Roundtree, Stokes, Jackson, Robinson (Terrence and Jerald), Miller (if he's not a TE) Dileo and Gallon. Plus - any recruit we sign in the 2012 class. Of that group, only Stokes, Roundtree and Terrence Robinson will be seniors.
We're really not looking that bad at WR.
EDIT: Oooh, you edited before my response posted. Sly bastard.
Hopefully, Conway can make his way to Ann Arbor as well.
We should be fine with or without him. I just think we should take at least one WR in this class, but the coaches will handle it accordingly.
And yes, I am a sly bastard.
Will somebody please get on the phone and call this kid? Brady? Al?
Somebody tweet Justice Hayes to tell the coaching staff to call flowers!! haha, what a world we live in.
if the coaches want him, they'll make the call. they know what they are trying to build and what they are looking for.
That explains it pretty well.
If you give me his phone number I'll call him and do my best Hokepersonation.
he will come. I don't think that's a bad thing because if not it means we have a better alternative what's the downside?
so I guess the alternative would be stealing another recruit from a perennial loser like Vanderbilt or Minnesota or just saying no to the position as a whole.
Kinda like stealing Denard from perenial loser Central Florida.
It's unlikely that 1) they think they have a near certain commitment from a WR who is better than both Flowers and Devin Lucien (who was apparently ready to commit) and 2) TomVH and the recruiting fanatics like DGDestroys have never heard of this unknown WR. (Or, in the alternative, that they heard and haven't whispered even a hint about it.)
Tom is the greatest. That goes withou saying. Still the net is so wide right now that it is very difficult to know everyone that we might be receiving interest from, or have interest in. Granted offense prospects are probably a lot more predictable outside of a fullback or drop back quarterback suddenly looking at us closer.
IMO, If we don't get a receiver in this class, it is no big deal with our numbers. It is a luxury when we are so in need of defense.
So guys actually choose the school they'll be going to for four years based on a single phone call?
and gives Flowers a call today.
and gotta a commitment out of that...i think blue is in good shape to come up roses here.
Once again proves the point that Scout isn't worth paying for.
Tome Beaver = moron !
In your case, I think you mean "moran."
Sorry, TomVH, that was immature of me. I couldn't help it.
Tom VH we appreciate your work, Good or Bad we can not win all the recruits. NOW SOMEONE FROM THE HOKE CAMP, PLEASE MAKE THE CALL TO HAKEEM THE DREAM!
Ahhhh Hoke doesn't care about offense hahahahahahahahaha
No, seriously, I'd like to get Hakeem Flowers.
Are you saying that Hoke is the "anti Rich"?
BTW...the chick in those Farmers University ads is hot.
Yeah, but the bald black guy is the funniest.
"You do know this is just an exercise?"
"I do now, sir."
It would be nice to land him. Sounds like a fine player. But if we don't, it's no biggie. Really, aren't 3-star type receivers kind of a dime a dozen? Plus, we have a decent collection of receivers waiting in the wings. Stokes. Jackson. Ricardo. All the smurfs? Young receivers adapt faster than most other position players.
It's just my sense that receivers aren't the biggest recruiting challenge. They aren't as rare or scheme-specific as, say, nose-tackles or running-backs (unless the scheme involves ninja-smurfs -- in which case, it's still not a problem, since most teams don't covet smurfs). Stakes just aren't as high.
definitely not that of a three star or either of the two commits this staff has accepted. Flowers is actually being recruited by schools that aren't perennial cellar dwellers.
Yeah. Maybe he's vastly underrated and clearly a star in the making. But I'm pretty sure M is well aware of the kid. I doubt he's slipping through the cracks here. M seems to be in the driver's seat. So let's trust the coaches to make the right call.
Damn right lets make the right call! I'm looking at you Hoke. Flowers is just a phone call away.
This is not a "must get", but it is a good pick up for depth and development. I'm much more for having him commit than I am for not caring.
I would almost bet that Hoke told Lucien that if Flowers or a suprise WR guy commits like Arnett that he may switch Lucien to DB. Lucien then told them he did not want to play DB and announced to everyone that he was being recruited for defense.
Dont be surprised to see Lucien commit as a WR once Hoke and gang get two more DBs / Safeties and no other WR's commit.
You basically tell a kid who wants to be a Wolverine to F off and expect him to come back to you as your backup plan?
Basically told him to F off? Wow. You sure have been talking out of your ass a lot today. Telling someone that you want him at a different position isn't telling him to F off. By that logic Alabama told Dee Hart to F off when they asked him to play CB.
Not gonna happen. Lucien has other options.
Hoke should have picked him up. And if not him, then Flowers. Weird.
was told they wanted him as DB because they had more need for defense, and holding off on Flowers may mean they're sure enough of some of the offered DBs that they can go back to Lucien and add him as a WR.
Total speculation. But it will allow me to think this is good news.
EDIT: Obviously not just my fantasy. And I too thought that Lucien may be disillusioned by the approach of the new coaches, but if he realizes he's the first choice WR after all, knowing that they had a higher need for DBs...
After they tell you that they really want you for DB, could you trust them to leave you at WR for the next 4 years?
Wouldn't reflect all that well on Lucien. But, hey...
How does one day make a difference in a guy's decision?
Someone please call him!
Raymon Taylor committed.
neither site has a story up, but they're both teasing it pretty hard on their message boards.
This better not be a BKfinest moment...
pop up on Google "Real Time Results." Expect a post from him any second now.
EDIT: Should have been posted as sub-reply re: Raymon Taylor. Was too eager.
well NC State only has 15 commits, no WRs or DBs though they do have 3 athletes committed. Guessing he isn't waiting to hear on if he has a spot or not in their class based on those numbers.
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i agree with alot of you about lucien, maybe flowers is more the type of wr hoke wants, but what happens to all these smallish slot recievers mich has right now? odoms, grady, robinson, gallon, barpol? do you think any of these guys transfer now that we are out of the spread? it certainly seems like there isnt room for all them. 6-1 190, and 4 stars and want to come here seems like we shouldnt pass it up
If Hoke calls, then Flowers is a great WR prospect.
If Hoke doesn't call, Flowers is mildly overrated and we don't need WRs in this class.
What a offer list for Flowers, seems like a easy legitimate 4*, Hoke needs to push hard to round him up
I think Blueblood is right. The Hokester may feel that Flowers is a very good talent, but given the amount of WR's we have right now when you include the slots it is probably overkill when compared to all the other positions of need yet to be addressed. RR did go crazy for Slot Ninja's like all of us over the past few years and Hoke does not seem to use Ninja's (at least slot ones) so they will become wide outs or another position switch. He need's to use the available schollies in other areas (OL, DL, LB, QB).
Hard to pass on good talent, but not a position of glaring need and we can probably/hopefully pull in some attractive WR's in the next couple classes.
Would love to have him, but got to trust the Hokester on this.
love that comment, thats going to be my new slogan for 2011
that included Flowers and Showers...
With less than 2 weeks left, we are heading in the right direction. Time will tell all, but with this new staff ... we will see some suprises come National Signing day.
The sky is blue, the grass is green, it's great to be a fan of, MEEEECHIGAN! Go Blue!
someone on the Michigan coachign staff should really call Flowers and say they want him. We have no business rejecting two 4 start receivers. I don't care how many wide outs we have. Got to go get the special ones that want Michigan.
I'm sure the coaching staff has no idea what they are doing. I am sure they get all of their best advise from blog posters.
Coaching staff feels that we have a much bigger need at CB, TE and DL. The feel the need is so much larger that they need to take depth recruits over potential starters at WR.
In addition this maybe in response to the fact that we just don't have enough bodies for even special teams. You don't pick those two three stars from Ohio when you have higher rated players at a different position if you don't believe those players are multifaceted and provide need
What other offensive recruits are we targeting right now other than Chris Bryant? It seems like everyone who we may have a chance of landing is on the defensive side of the ball. Would losing out on Flowers open up an offer to any other offensive recruits? I know we just got a commit from a 3* TE, but are we looking for any other players at the skill positions?
Need one for depth with only two scholarship QB's on the roster
Hoke & Staff need to bring the Hakeen da dream to AA.....!
Waiting on commit # 4 !
The Big Blue Machine may have pulled their offer...
Going to NCSU per ESPN....not sure how reliable they are though.
old news - been reported multiple times on the blog this morning