I know a few people have expressed concern over one of the recruits saying that the Michigan coaches told him they will only be taking one receiver. As of right now I don't believe that's the case. I believe they will take two. That can change with other numbers and other commitments, but as of now I think they would take two.
TomVH: FWIW on Receivers
the update Tom. You are the man.
Any word on how his visit went?
Part of me would rather have two DTs than two receivers. But if the coaches are confident on moving someone inside, then so be it.
3 would be best, but that's not going to happen. We must have 2.
EDIT: Let me turn that into a question - Tom, any similar feel on DTs, do you think we'll take 2?
add those to Wormley and Diamond and call it a day. Pass on RB and QB this year as we aren't going to get any of the highly rated guys unless something crazy happens with Dunn this weekend.
I don't understand offering a fullback who's more like a RB when we've got more critical holes to fill at DT and WR.
I also hate the idea of using a scholarship on a fullback, but it's not a terrible thing. If you look at the SDSU offense last year, their fullback was 5-11 210 lbs. And he was third on the team in rushing and fourth in receiving. So once you get over his awful rankings (which will go up now that he is committed to Michigan, see:Jeremy Clark) he could be a great pickup. A four year starter and good contributor to the offense is well worth a scholarship.
Fullbacks are like anything else...you get what you pay for. More on target, if you offer a kicker, the chances are better you will get a good kicker. If you trust the job to walk ons, you run the risk of bad kicking. If you trust the fullback position to nothing but massive walk ons, you get Moundros, McColghan, etc., who may be big in size and large in spirit, but less than impressive in performance.
Fullback seems to be important to the offense Hoke is trying to create. He tried to get one last year. He pushed for several candidates this year. It doesn't do any good to push getting one back another year just because there's better talent on the table. There may well be, but that won't solve the problem of not having a competent fullback.
As to our new brother's size, this fits deeper into the philosophy of creating matchup problems. For all Brian's hollering about 'Manball', Hoke seems to put a premium on this. Funchess is not a prototypical power football tightend. He is a versatile matchup headache for any enemy. This new fullback fits into that mold of versatile players who can be relied upon to do something well, and potentially do several other things as well. Hoke is creating a true, three dimensional offense capable of being powerful yet unpredictable.
For the record, I want two DT's also. And two wideouts. It seems like we still have room for them. And Wormley. But even if he didn't, there's method to this madness. So enough with the "I hate fullbacks" meme.
While I disagree with the first sentence, I agree with the second. The point is, getting that one every four years. The reason we have two is because #1 flamed out in disastrous fashion. I don't think many people were complaining about snaring #2, Wile. The argument shouldn't be made "have two more years of absurdly poor kicking and THEN get a new schollie kicker." We had a need, it needed to be filled. We also have no meaningful fullback, and now that need is (in theory) also filled.
I was right about his rankings going up. Espn moved him up from not rated to the #3 fullback in the country (ahead of ej fatu) since his commitment.
Before fullback was a luxury in a Rich Rod offense...how many of Michigan's starting fullbacks were walk-on's without a scholarship? Guys like Bunch, Leggette, Askew (when he wasn't playing RB) etc. certainly weren't paying their own way.
That is something that you would say bouje...
It's nice to have these kind of problems. Tom, can you please talk the staff into taking 2 DT's as well?
I'd rather take 1 WR and accept a commitment from Ron Thompson, taking advantage of him and Devin Funchess as receiving threats.
but Ron Thompson is no longer an option, the rumors about him seem to have some truth behind them.Too bad, the kid has great hand. Still lots of options on the board though.
I'm more than down w/ 2 WR's. Actually think we need exactly that number IMO. As for DT, I'm assuming everyone here is referring to NT which I think is a dire need as well, but would be happy w/ 1-2.
If you had to take your best guess as to who those two recievers were going to be, what would that guess be?
We have too many question marks with the DT's on the current roster after Martin leaves. Plus, I think all great defenses start with having a great defensive line. We should be covered on the ends for a while, but I'd feel even greater about this class if we can get two guys like O'Brien and Pipkins.
We have three defensive line coaches on staff, past or present, two of whom happen to be named Hoke and Mattison. I agree with your statement, but I also have to assume Hoke and Co. know and agree with this opinion, are aware of their situation, and are planning accordingly. God does not play dice with the universe. Hoke does not play dice with the defensive line. Just an opinion.
Will be fun to see how the class finishes. Assuming we're taking at least 1 each of WR,OL,DE and DT, that leaves us with only 2 openings assume Hoke still wants 26. A lot of us would want 2 WR and/or DT's but taking both would leave no room for a guy like Dunn.
As far as problems go, these are good ones to have.
I would leave the last spot for Dunn or Diamond. Dunn is becoming more of a long shot but I wouldn't count us out either. Diamond seemed like more of a sure thing a few months ago but he is a coin flip at this point with maybe a slight lean towards going Blue.
Well he already had one spot for OL. The only reason I would want two OL is if Banner and Garnett only want in if they can come together. I really want Dunn just for the satisfaction of taking another recruit from Ohio.
I don't think Dunn is such a long-shot. We lead for his cousin D Thomas; He is friends with Kalis; we have a favorable depth chart; he is visiting again for the BBQ; the punishment to OSU despite the lack of spine by the NCAA will likely include a bowl-ban which is key for Dunn.
While OSU's chances are still high, there is serious interest on Dunn's part and reading the atmospherics, it is pretty clear that we are "gaining groud."
When you say favorable depth chart, do you mean we don't have an elite/established RB? Cause we have 7 RBs on the roster, with only Shaw graduating (unless Cox doesn't come back). 6 RB's for 1 spot (2ish depending on how the reps get split up) isn't a favorable depth chart, especially with 2 RBs in the class before him.
Yes, since we don't have a clear starter at RB, our depth chart is favorable to Dunn compared to OSU's. Plus, with another highly ranked RB in OSU's 2012 class, it would be beneficial for Dunn to come to Michigan as the chance to start early would be greater.
A 1 year, and possibly a 2 year bowl ban (given a redshirt or minimal playing time) wouldn't directly impact Dunn's OSU career.
But 5* running backs are never looking to redshirt. RB is one position where freshmen often make an impact.
The coaching situation is also a wild card. Do any of us really expect Fickell to be there 2 or 3 years from now? Will they be able to get a top-tier guy to take his place or be stuck with a less-than-ideal candidate? The coaching situation for anyone thinking of committing to Ohio is totally up in the air. They have no idea what they're walking into in that respect, or who their coach will be long-term.
instead of 2 WRs. Next year will be a lot easier to recruit top notch receivers with Shane in the fold. Thompson would still be nice, as well. He and Morris have a "thing" going with each other in the G Kings.
Yeah, they were really in sync during that 7 on 7 championship, some of Morris' best completions were to him. But apparently there are some "rumors" about him or something. I haven't heard anything, so I would be more than happy with him as a second WR commit, even if he served as more of a receiving TE.
He had a bit of a belly though. Seeing him made me think he will be a TE not a WR.
Is Chris Wormley committing soon?
I think the consensus on him was he will be deciding sometime in August.
Shawn Conway to Michigan just isn't going to happen....correct?
Tom, we already have Bo as a walk-on could that be our second receiver?
has anybody heard how Darboh is enjoying his visit? He was headed to A2 yesterday with his basketball coach according to TomVH.
He's still there, as I understand it. Might even be there through tomorrow.
Are you expecting a tweet about Hoke giving him a foot massage or something?
I feel sorry for Tom VH amongst the Ritalin-addled masses.
Ritalin is so 2003, it's all about the adderall now
/know your ADD
Adderall is so 2008; it's about Vyvanse now/know YOUR ADD
I think he was expecting something along the lines of the numerous post/during visit updates that Tom has givien. The ones where the recruit is quoted as saying " I really ______ Michigan, because of _______. The ________ was great and I really feel _________ about the coaches."
You shall not tempt the LORD your TOMVH.
shouldn't we have offered Devin Lucien as a WR last year?
I think when the coaches came in, they checked out the roster and said "wow, that's a lot of receivers. In fact, I know Borges said something to this effect. Simultaneously, they freaked out about the DB's. Little did they know the type and quality of receivers depth wise didn't match up with what they want.
While your explanation may be accurate, there is another school of thought. There was always a distinction in Lucien's rankings (some were high on him, others quite low). This school of thought suggests that Hoke, who knew Lucien well and offered him at SDSU, thought he was a catch for the Aztecs but not at par for what he was trying to get at Michigan. Because Hoke (likely) scouted Lucien quite well, and because (I assume) he and Borges can look at a roster and tell a mass of Hobbits are less than likely to contribute in the Uruk Hai style offense they're trying to create, I tend to lean towards the second school of thought.
Who is Mrohblue, and why would anyone ever downvote TomVH?