Looks like the pressure is being put on these dbs to make their decision. Would love to have wayne and terry enforcing the no fly zone!
TomVH: DB Wayne Morgan Update
the ants go marching 2 by 2 hurrah hurrah!!! Do it Wayne, you and T-Rich could be a nice combo back there for this class.
"any day" = "thursday, when the other DB commits"
I bet he's starting to get a little nervous about a spot being available for him if he waits.
that it is getting around that we may only take two DBs and Richardson is gonna be one of them.
Not in the rap sense of the term of course...but I am a little worried with all the 5-9 Corners we are recruiting. Too short to match with tall physical receivers.
A) He's 5'11"
B) Height is overblown when it comes to corners. Plenty of 5'9" guys do just fine. Irrelevant in this case though since Morgan's almost 6'
It's a good thing we're recruiting Anthony Standifer, too, then.
To add height to the depth chart at corner Brady Hoke and Co are going to continue recruiting Wyatt Shallman for a strange positions. He's gonna be a cornerback now!
For any of you at home scouting gurus at home if we take Richardson, who is your preference on the other 1 or 2 dbs we take and why?
A lot of people like Jarrod Wilson. Good player but more importantly he's a true safety, which we're sorely lacking at the position (lots of converts/tweeners).
Jarrod Wilson (because I think we could use a true safety) and Armani Reeves. But if we can't get Wilson, I'd like to get Standifer, who can either play corner or safety.
I looked at 24/7..they list him at 5-9 1/2. Rivals & Scout list him at 5'11". Scout lists him as safety. I would actually prefer Armani Reeves.
It's fine if you prefer Armani Reeves, but I think Wayne Morgan is taller than 5'9 1/2". He's not huge, but he doesn't look like a midget on film.
a few tall corners would be nice. Trust me, I would love Morgan, Reeves & T-Rich. Howeva, if I had to choose I would take Reeves & T-Rich.
According to Rivals, Reeves and Morgan are the same height...and Morgan is 3 pounds heavier. I agree that tall corners are nice, but I'm not sure what that has to do with Morgan, Reeves, and Richardson.
If you want tall corners, you ought to throw Standifer in there.
CC and JT are tall. that didnt go so well
If we only take 3 DB's I want Richardson, Morgan, and Wilson. I really like Armani Reeves on film though so I'd rather we take 4.
That's just crazy talk. I hope there was some s/ in there.
With all the corners we took in the last class, I don't think we need to be taking 3 plus a safety in 2012. Plus there's not really a 5-star, immediate-impact corner in the bunch, so it would be nice to spread out these scholarships so perhaps we could take a 5-star type in the coming years. You're talking about taking 7 corners over two classes. That's a lot.
Exactly. I'd much rather hear about a whole slew of OLs committing than CBs at this point, as it seems to be a bigger need.
We still need bodies on both lines... I think we take 22.
Can we afford to take 4 LBs, and 4 DBs?
*If* Michigan is taking only two DB's *and* Terry Richardson commits on Thursday (hopefully) this leaves one spot open...
I'm amazed that Michigan will leave this much talent on the table. How refreshing.
Standifer said that the coaches told him they want 3 corners in this class.
If we go by everything the coaches are reported to have told the recruits (and that I can remember), we're at least on the hook for 1 QB, 4 more OL, 3 CBs. On top of the 11 commits we already have, that gives us a total of 19 commits when we officially have room for 17 IIRC.
In an ideal world, does anybody know how many DTs they are interested in signing? Safeties? RBs? A FB?
I would guess 2 DT's. Helmholdt doesn't think we'll take a safety. I'd guess 1 RB and 1 FB.
All the official recruiting gurus say we're recruiting for a class of 22-25, so the coaches apparently expect the numbers to increase.
that they'll take at least 22.
We have room, but given that number, we're half way home.
We still have needs on both lines!!
5-7 spots going to come from?
Well, there always seems to be a freshman or two who doesn't make it through fall camp, whether it's homesickness, a failure to qualify, etc. And there are several guys who will be up for a fifth year of eligibility who might not return.
So I don't think there's a specific answer to that, but we'll see.
I'm hoping that we get Morgan but would love if we could take stadifier as well. He is a beast and is offer sheet is going through the roof.
I would want Richardson and Reeves. Since I believe we will take 3 db's, I really like Standifer and Wilson. Don't take this the wrong way, I really like Morgan too, but I think the other two fit our needs at safety better.
EDIT: What three would you take Magnus? If it was completely up to you and if you could explain why.
If I had my choice, I'd take Jarrod Wilson to play safety (because we need a true safety), Terry Richardson (because he's a playmaker), and Yuri Wright (because he's a big corner who's very smooth).
But somehow I get the feeling that Wright isn't that interested in Michigan.
Of the guys Michigan has a shot with, I'd say Jarrod Wilson, Terry Richardson, and Armani Reeves (because he's a smooth athlete with a lot of potential . . . and could even be a very good receiver).
Wright fleetingly mentioned Michigan as a favorite earlier in the process...but now only seems to have eyes for ND and UGA. He's still (maybe?) visiting this summer so there's that..I wish highlights one him weren't so limited. They're quite impressive.
When do transfers normally happen. We have 3 so far. 2 out of 3 are in the secondary. I know we have taken alot of db's, but what is the harm in Morgan. He is from NY.
but I like all four more than a couple we took in last year's class. Plus I'm not really sure you can say it is seven corners since Morgan, Carter, and Taylor could all project to safety. Also with our recent record of DB attrition rate I wouldn't mind going after all four hard.
I hope we take 2 plus Reeves.
That should set us up. But I'd want Wilson with TRich, since we have a bunch of slot ninja type diminutive CBs already
Now we all want tall corners? I would settle for a kid who was in position to make a play on the ball. That being said I think we are really splitting hairs when it comes to the corners we have offered, they are all pretty good. Standifer's video impressed me the most and Wilson is a true safety, those two would be my pick to join Richardson.
Tall, short, green, blue, orange, teal...doesn't matter...
I want corners who are big on intercepting...and covering...and shutting guys down...
More like Woodson with a bit less like the recent...
Really, any three of Reeves, Wilson, Morgan, Standifer and Richardson will be a home run.
any of the guys mentioned in this thread (T-Rich, Wright, Wilson, Reeves, and Morgan) would be welcome additions in my eyes. Of these guys, who are the best guesses to fill out the class?
I expect that his timetable will advance should Richardson commit Thursday, and precipitously if Reeves follows suit soon after (as speculation indicates he might). Seems like Morgan doesn't want to be left out in the cold. The coaches have definitely done an excellent job thus far.
are we in that good of a position with reeves? i guess i just assumed that even though he kept listing us that he may end up at PSU since that is where his buddy ended up.
Richardson hit Reeves up on facebook the other day and said to inbox him his number because he needed to talk to him ASAP. If he goes blue then he could be telling Armani to join him or that the slots are going fast.
I don't think Armani Reeves knows what he wants to do yet, but yes Michigan is near the top of his list.
the staff is spending all the hours cut from training to bulk up on recruiting. This way they can concentrate on practice when they start in the earnest and have one less thing to worry about.
...has been, ahem...impressive. I am anxious to see the O-recruiting keep pace. Gunner Kiel would be huge, but so far the disparity is certainly staring us in the face. Of course for this year the needs are bigger on defense, but I hope when all is said and done with this class that we are somewhat balanced talent-wise on both sides in the 2012 class. (Shane Morris certainly +1 for the offense in '13). Course we won our last nat'l championship with a sweet D and a modest offense.
recruiting year I can recall. The coaches are doing a fantastic job, and I really do believe that all the early commits are motivating others to decide sooner.
Could this class be top ten, maybe even top five?
Top 10 is a realistic possibility, but I doubt it will be top 5.
EDIT: The reason is that the class size is only 17 right now. And while I expect that it will get bigger, I doubt it will reach 25. With the size of classes that some of those southern schools take (28, 30, 33), it's tough to break into the top 5.
Well we aren't going to beat Alabama, Florida State or Texas. Period. As for the other schools that have great recruiting classes so far and are in on a lot of other top recruits heres a quick list: Florida, Texas A&M, Ohio State, LSU, Notre Dame, USC, Oregon, Oklahoma State and us. So to get into the top 5 seems quite unlikely. As for the top 10, it will depend more on how many teams like Auburn and Clemson come out of no where and sign a bunch of players, and also how many guys we end up taking. No matter what though our coaches are doing an excellent job of recruiting and I love everything i have heard from other coaches, recruits, and recruits parents about out coaching staff so thats a good sign for years to come. This is a good bunch of teams to be on a list with and at the end of the day there isn't much difference between 6th, 9th or 12th on the 3 different main sites. Just depends on what they put more emphasis on and a few guys that they disagree majorly on.
less attention he gets from the recruiting service/networks especially if he is a boarderline 3/4 star. If the kid is a solid 4 or 5 star and he commits early, this attention phenomenon is less prominent. Sounds dumb but I have seen it every year since I have followed recruiting (about 5 yrs). We will likely have a few of the kids that fall into the former category. Which means that the recruiting class rank may not be as high as we think it should be.
I also think that our recruiting needs may limit the final ranking. Right now we need OL. This position groups is tough to rank ( as admitted by recruiting guru's) and there are many OL that have the potential to be good, but don't have all the nuances of technique down so they are given a 3 star ranking (unless they are completely dominant. See Will Campbell ). So, we may end up with several 3-star OL prospects with a lot of potential. I think a better indicator of an OL's potential is his offer list (ie. If Wisconsin, Iowa, and Nebraska type schools are on the kids list, chances are he is pretty damn good).
At the end of the day, we may end up with a class that may fall just outside the top 10. If we land guys like Gunner Kiel, a couple of 4-star CB's and DT's, a 4-star or higher WR and RB, then we will likely be safely in the top 10. If we miss on any of those, then we may be outisde the top 10.
I hear this argument all the time, and I believe it could be true. I'm wondering if anyone has done a study to prove it. I think the numbers are all there. One would just have to correlate the change + or - from early rankings to the time that they commit.
Early commits have little reason to continue to camp, which is where many scouts evaluate prospects. There is generally a lot of movement after these evaluations (similar to basketball, save they have the AAU circuit also), and that is why others jump while technically the commits "maintain" their original ranking.
You also see a lot of movement after the AA games, where they are evaluated against top competition. We've a few AA invitees so am curious to see how their rankings are affected.
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