Tommy Doles to Northwestern
WOTS was that Michigan kind of cooled on Doles, too, so it was sort of a mutual parting of ways.
11W called they want their post back.
I've been relaying this message for a couple weeks. It's not something I created last night after Doles committed.
Does literally everytime one of our taregets commits to another school some posters have to say we cooled on him? Doles is a good recruit, we wanted him, he had an offer, but he decided on Noprthwestern, NW is a great school with a good football team.
Can't we just wish the kid good luck rather thaan sound childish and pretend we didn't really want him.
Good luck Mr. Doles, hope you're successful and have a great college career save for one weekend a year.
I rarely say that Michigan cooled on players. That just so happens to be the case with Doles, whether you like it or not.
Magnus. There's always some dingaling who has to be snarky and negative. Thanks for being straight up.
passive aggressive much OP?
Best of luck to the kid. He's getting a pretty damn good free education at NW.
It certainly is. Congrats to Mr. Doles. On an unrelated note, does Northwestern still give all their athletes "academic scholarships"? I know they did this when I was looking at schools because they constantly bragged about how they don't give out any athletic scholarships.
I'm not sure what it's like now, but when I was taking my Sparty daughter around various universities the summer after her junior year of HS (about 8 years ago), we were told that Northwestern didn't give out any merit based scholarships. They can call it whatever they want, but I call bs on the notion that they don't give special treatment to athletes to find ways to fund their education.
BS well-called. I had a few classes with football players as an NU undergrad and while some of them were plenty smart, let's just say the average intelligence of the team was below the rest of the student body.
Please don't make this a "I'm glad he chose them so we can get someone who is good" post because that's super lame. This is a good pick up for Northwestern.
That wasn't the intent at all, it was more of a stream-of-conciousness type of thing. He is a good player and one who we all would have liked to have but given the position he plays and a number of other factors, all things considered its not a huge deal. And since some obviously took it the wrong way, my commentary has been removed.
I get what you're saying, and if it's true that the coaches cooled on him you might even be right, it just looks bad is all. It's like the guy who gets dumped and then says "I was going to dump you anyway" which, even if true, makes him look pretty lame. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but I think it's better now that you changed it.
This was a bad loss of a recruit to NW. Best of luck to him educationally, but I'm not going to pretend I wish him the same success athletically.
It's not THAT bad of a loss. His other offers were from Iowa State, Air Force, Army, and Navy.
Hey, small campus, top-notch education, close to Chicago, tons of local chicks and that weird-ass Ba-hai Temple close by. What's not to love about Northwestern?
Football is soso but they play hard and their coach is hard to dislike
I'd say they have more momentum going for them than Illinois does, and the as far as a coach goes, he's freakin fantastic for that school. Being an alumnus doesn't hurt either. I think they are on the way up as a program personally.
Evanston is beautiful and The Lake.
Evanston is beautiful and The Lake. On my wife's computer, it seems all posts are double posts.
No offense to Mr Doles, but we probably can do a bit better. Great pickup for NW though
Is real. And it is here. But actually, I agree. With the small numbers this year especially at offensive line, this doesn't hurt. Plus, I don't mind losing a kid to NU. Hopefully M can pull Bars and continue the national scope of recruiting this year.
That's the crux of the issue, the small class. If we were taking 26-27 players in this next class, then Doles would have made more sense.
Some three stars, like a Ben Braden, just seem like they are under-rated. Doles just seems like a 3*. Good kid, hope he has a nice career and graduates.
I was intrigued by Doles' interest in the service academies. I understand the feelings of duty to serve that some have, but I wonder how a prospect like this weighs those opportunities vs. a more traditional college football experience. I guess it isn't applicable here, but do athletes at the D-1 academies typically have competing civilian school offers?
All I have to say about academies is that ROTC is available, they pay for school, and you get to go to college instead of an academy. That was always my thought when guys in the Corps told me how awesome the Naval Academy was...
Yeah, but to be fair, the education at the academies surpasses that of most other schools. And when you get done with school you have a leg up if you want to make a career of the military. ROTC is a good program, but doesn't have anywhere near the benefits of an academy.
Honestly, the academy networks are probably more important if you decide to leave the military. The promotion system in the military, while flawed, is transparent and didn't seem to favor the academies. Similarly, the assignment system didn't seem to favor groups so much as individuals with great reputations in their specific fields within service branches.
In contrast, after leaving the military, the academy networks are probably the most effective alumni groups in the business world in terms of helping their own after the military.
Being from a West Point family who went to UM on an ROTC scholarship and then served for several years in the Army, I would say the biggest benefit of the academy is that all of your college friends go into the same line of work. Wherever you are stationed, you will always have a good number of close friends from school nearby. This especially helps with the terrible post-college adjustment to real life. Now, the longer you stay in the service, the more friends you have from guys you served with. But probably the only regret I had from turning down my appointment to USMA was that I missed out on that social network in my career field. (The great upswing was that I got to go to Michigan!) As a multi-generational Army brat, it wasn't so big a deal to me, but I did miss all my college friends, who I virtually never saw in over ten years of constant deployments.
Not sure what you mean by a flawed promotion system, but you are correct in saying that it does not favor Academy grads, per se. It favors those that perform in the top echelon in their job, regardless of commissioning source. On the contrary, the assignment system is a bit different for officers than it is for enlisted. Enlisted members are pretty much at the mercy of an assignment system, save a few very high-performing individuals in higher ranks (at least E-6's). That said, officers have a bit more say in their assignment, as there are many selectively-manned and/or high-profile assignments that require by-name reccomendations from superiors (i.e. commanders). These by-name reccomendations are made easier by having a "network" to interact with. Obviously, the academy network very much comes to the forefront as one of the primary means to make these reccomendations. These assignments can then bolster your officer resume, which, in-turn, then can place you above your peers when it comes to promotion time. So, you could say that it has the potential to affect your promotions and assignments, granted you're a hard worker and your commander sees that. You can't be dead weight and expect one of these assignments, obviously.
ROTC are obligated to 4 years active service- the Naval Academy requires 5. There is no distinction once you are actually in the military. Yes the networks are great at the Academy, but I will be tapping into the Citadel one which is no slouch as well. To say the academy is head and shoulders above is not true
After graduation and commissioning, it's valid to say that Academy, ROTC, and OTS officers as 2Lts/Ensigns are all on an even playing field. Granted, the quality of education and work ethic differs vastly, as you're simply going to, more often than not, get a better product out of an academy grad due to the education received and the amount of work put in during their 4 years. Not necessarily everytime, as there are very high-performing individuals from civilian institutions (like the Citadel, which I have a profound respect for) that perform at extremely high levels, even perhaps placing them above their academy counterparts. I'm simply speaking in generalities. However, keep in mind that it's just not about the education. It's about the experiences and the leadership lessons learned from a 4-year "leadership laboratory" experience that ROTC programs simply cannot replicate. Academy cadets/midshipmen are immersed in it every day. There's something to be said about the kind of individual that gets into, survives, and graduates from a service academy. It is these things, ALONG with the network that benefits academy grads long after graduation, while in uniform and as a civilian. This isn't a knock on ROTC by any means. Please don't take it that way, but there's a reason for the selectivity that goes into the admissions process and there's something to be said about the attrition that occurs from entry to basic training to graduation day.
I'm quite sure in many forms they do. Also to take into perspective a students post-acedemic career wishes and if those desires fall into such service branches, I'm sure it can only help them out in the long run vs something like wanting to get drafted high in the NFL. Even still, as we saw with the great Central Michigan example, it can really happen anywhere if that goal shifts during the tunure at such said institution.
Typically, they do not. Not anymore, that is, they used to. Their physical and academic standards rule out a great many players, especially linemen. They usually look at a class of players who fit into their triple option system, which allows them to get a different breed of athlete, often overlooked by other schools, who are interested in serving their country. That's why the Armed Forces Academies allrun the same system: Navy proved they could make hay with it in their unique situation.
The obvious caveat is that some of these recruits do have offers from higher schools, and simply make life decisions.
I can't believe he picked NW over UMich. I mean that's just bananas! Doles bananas!
Calling Northwestern NW is like calling Michigan MG
No it's not. NW has always been an acronym for Northwest or Northwestern, not the university, but the cardinal direction. So using NW for Northwestern (like tons of people do) makes a lot of sense. When I see NU, I think Nebraska, but at best it's ambiguous.
The real reason your statement is false? If you said MG for Michigan, no one would know what you were talking about, but based on this thread, that's clearly not that case for NW.
Have you ever admitted to having been wrong? About anything? Maybe it is just coincidence, but every time I start reading threads you are correcting someone about something. Oh, and you are wrong. The abbreviation for Northwestern is NU.
Oh, I know that's the correct abbreviation for it. And for the record, not only did I not ever say NW in this post, but I wasn't just correcting someone, I was correcting someone's correction.
He said that calling Northwestern NW is akin to calling Michigan MG, which is wrong. Just because a pseudonym isn't the correct one, doesn't mean it isn't accepted. Lots of poeople shorten Northwestern to NW, and it works because poeple know what it means. You'll even see the ticker during football season say NW for Northwestern. I don't think I've ever seen MG used for Michigan.
Now we're ripping on typos, huh? You got called out by multiple people earlier, don't stay pissed about it.
The fact that this argument is half of this thread is sad, everyone knows what he means by saying NW, sorry someone speaks different than you
But entertaining! Especially because the dude calling out p-e-o-p-l-e for spelling errors doesn't know the difference between we're and were and your and you're
Look again dumbass. I think you we're told a couple things a bit ago also. Dude your a tool.
This is fun.
Really it is. But seriously your also a tool. Just-like-LA.
I've been called worse by better.
Anyway, I know it's kind of ridiculous that good ol' Magnus is trying to be the voice of reason, but maybe everyone should just go back to his corner and cool off a little. Getting into a slapfight about typographical errors and such is a little too heavy for a Friday night. Everyone ought to be resting up for Sinko duh Mio.
I'm at work. Nothing better to do. Net arguments are funny.
Like maybe "work"? you sound like a gem of an employee. At least you can spell people. #winning
If you have a point to make, trublue616, then "dumbass" and "tool" are not really the best way to communicate that point. We're better than gratuitous name calling around here. Points return in a month.
of the difference between your and you're is lacking
And you knocked me for poeople?
or is it "it's"?
that Nebraska is also NU, and if you say NW, then everyone knows what it is. I have also seen Northwestern abbreviated as NW, which isn't any worse than the SEC for the Southeastern Conference
Yeah, except Nebraska is actually UNL, not NU. Calling them NU is like calling Michigan "MU". Their website is even www.unl.edu.
Northwestern University, on the other hand, is actually NU. It's even a (very basic) cheer in the student section (Go U, N-U).
It's certainly true that people know what you mean when you say or write "NW", but it seems to me like people should respect what others want to be called. It's like someone named Andrew wanting to be called Andy and you just pat them on the head and say, "that's nice" and then keep calling them Andrew.
In the ccha it was uno as well. Not nuo. I'm surprised they say it, what seems to me, backwards. Most universities are either U of (State) or (State) State U. Directional or modified like e.g. central or southern use Modifier State U, named or area (other than state reference) use Name University.
Basically I'm saying Nebraska University at Lincoln sounds odd. It should be University of Nebraska at Lincoln. Or just University of Nebraska if it is the main campus.
University of Kansas?
University of Oklahoma?
University of Colorado?
Nebraska actually calls themselves 'Nebraska U' in their fight song I believe as well. I think Nebraska actually prefers to be called this over 'UNL'
Yes, Nebraska is UNL, but for sports it is often abbreviated as "NU." Don't know exactly why this is, but it's a weird Big 12 naming convention:
Univ. of Kansas - KU
Univ. of Colordao - CU
Univ. of Oklahoma - OU
EDIT: Beaten to the punch by GB
stand for on the Cornhusker helmets?
[Levity in the midst of a catfight]
He's an ass that has no life.
...says the guy who's calling people names on an internet message board.
When it counts he is always money.
Thank you, BrewMom. Left coast, represent.
except for that flaimbait crack about the Chargers moving to LA. You can't really take the only thing resembling a West Coast team I can root for from me. (Although, I do like UCLA too).
Isn't Nebraska the "University of Nebraska (at Lincoln)"? Wouldn't that make them "UN" rather than "NU"?
University of Kansas = KU, Univeristy of Missouri = MU, are two examples.
Why would NU make you think of Nebraska? Does MU make you think of Michigan?
by losing to Nebraska (da real NU) 29-28 this year. Better luck next year
^This. They should create a new "rivalry" trophy. Each year whichever team wins gets to take home a nice sized NU trophy. The losing school gets to live with the dishonor of using Neb or NW. Can you imagine the fierce rivalry that would arise? No athletic department wants to deal with those kind of branding issues.
Good thing we are loaded on the O-Line from the last couple recruiting classes.
Best of luck to you, Doles. Would have loved to have you, but with the abundance of talent Michigan has got coming in on the O-Line, you've probably got a much better shot of getting playing time at Northwestern.
Had NU before the University of Nebraska. University of Nebraska should be called U of N or UN.
UM has all kind of universities listed:
UM University of Malta
UM University of Maine
UM University of Manitoba
UM University of Michigan
UM Universidade do Minho (Portugal)
UM University of Malaya
UM Université de Montréal
UM Université de Moncton
UM University of Maastricht (Netherlands)
UM University of Malaga
UM University of Manila (Philippines)
UM (2)University of Miami (Florida, Ohio)
UM University of Mississippi
UM University of Missouri
UM University of Melbourne (Melbourne, Australia)
UM University of Massachusetts
UM University of Minnesota
UM University of Memphis (Tennessee)
UM University of Manchester (UK)
UM University of Maryland
UM University of Montana
U of M or U-M:
U OF M (U-M) University of Michigan
U OF M (U-M) University of Manitoba (Canada)
Funny, because all of my Minnesota friends throw around "U of M" like they own it.
Actually, Minnesota people refer to the Univ. of Minnesota as "the U of M" or simply "the U" (ntu). Only in Michigan do people drop "the" when saying "U of M," which is kind of ironic since "the" is officially part of the name of The University of Michigan, whereas with Minnesota it is not. The more you know.
I have dropped the U entirely. I just use M and everyone knows... :)
"UNL" (University of Nebraska-Lincoln) as an acronym for Nebraska and never have found myself in an unexpected and unwarranted pissing match over it...
NW is northwestern, NE is Nebraska.
Good place for Doles, good fit for NW.
The purple Chicago smart guys.
If ABB got his spot?
Yeah, you know me
I'm surprised MSU didn't make a push for Doles.
WOTS is that on his unofficial visit, Doles refused to wear a ski mask.
Yeah, and he wasn't intergalactic enough, hur hur.
Good pickup for Northwestern. Will be good for some of the Big Ten "west" teams to recruit better.
maybe he would have been a good "Y" TE in a Borges offense?
I'm just confused. I know we have been talking to him for a while, but this isn't a serious loss, is it? We won't even be playing NW on an annual basis after this year.
It's a very serious loss. I mean, it's not like we have a passel of quality offensive linemen already on the team.
But seriously, it sounds like a good fit for both Doles and NW.
.......and this is why Doles went to Northwestern. He already learned all he needed to know about abbreviation, punctuation, spelling and insults from an Mgoblog board. Now he can hang by a lake with chicks, hit up Chitown, walk to class and not be late and stare at that temple and try and figure out what type of architecture best describes the nature of its design.