Ingram, by the way, was a total badass last season -- leading the Crimson Tide to the National Championship and winning the Heisman.
One of the most overrated players in recent memory
It's all because espn loves the sec and were all over him. Gerhart was a much better runner last year who showed up in every game, not just a few big ones. Granted neither ran with true RAGE
Speaking of only showing up for big games, Bama desperately needed a spark against Auburn, and Ingram (before he got hurt) squatted down and laid an egg in that game.
that he's a total badass.
So they've got to be correct, right? I mean... that's one reputable source.
Ingram is being interviewed on ESPN right now, and they just asked him about the whole agent party of South Florida, and the DC party. He said he didn't know anything.
Didn't know anything?
Does he need to be evaluated for concussion endused amnesia?
He said he didn't know anything about it, but he wasn't there (SoFl party). OK. Then there are pictures of him at this DC party, but he says no agents were involved. OK.
They may not have done anything wrong, but Alabama is looking fairly shady right now.
They may not have done anything wrong, but Alabama is looking fairly shady right now.
What else is new?Alabama is looking fairly shady right now.
In other breaking news, water is wet.
Saban dirty? Next you'll be telling me there is no Santa Clause.
Agreed. MGoDC made an excellent point yesterday that his O-Line did 95% of the work for him. I've said it before, and I will say it again: good player on a GREAT team.
"MGoDC made an excellent point yesterday that his O-Line did 95% of the work for him. "
This is the most absolute BS (and frequently used) claim I've seen against Ingram's Heisman Trophy victory...I don't know how often you guys even watched Ingram last year, but from someone who watched every single carry he had, did you guys even realize he was among the nation's top leaders in YARDS AFTER CONTACT? O-line doesn't help him there, boys.
I will say the Heisman is a team award and thus playing for Alabama helped him considerably. The Heisman is turning into a joke these days because they don't truly try to find the "best college football player" , they just give it to the best player on the best team.
But if you honestly think that his O-line did 95% of the work, you're blindly following what the national media is saying instead of researching it for yourself. Ingram may or may not have been the best runner in the country, but he was certainly deserving of consideration and it's not because he "had a good offensive line".
Care to expand on that opinion? Other than the fact that he's from the state of Michigan so there might be some bitterness towards him?
To me, the bottom line on Ingram's talent can be answered by one question:
Would Ingram have won the Heisman last year if he had played for Michigan State (or any mediocre school)? The answer is, of course, "no way." Ingram is talented, but the Heisman depends on a lot more than individual talent. I would have given it to Dexter McCluster last year, because I think doing what he did for a mediocre team is a lot more of an accomplishment than Ingram's "feat" of benefitting from having 'Bama's powerhouse team around him.
That being said, Ingram is as deserving as anyone under the current system, and he is to be commended for picking a school that made it possible for him to win it.
I agree completely.
That's why in my other post I said the Heisman is a team award. Ingram would've never won it playing for MSU or any other school that finished with an average record.
Unfortunately, that's how the Heisman works in this day and age. You have to be on a team that is atop the rankings. Look at the finalists from last year. They were from Alabama, Texas, Florida and Nebraska. The first three all finished in the top five in the country while Nebraska wasn't far behind.
It's not a fair award, but Ingram certainly deserved consideration for the great season he had. I don't get the resentment towards him from some Mich fans. Can someone explain it to me? Is it because he's from Flint and left the state? Ingram actually grew up an MSU fan, not a U-M fan.
Blue In SEC Country -
This is the second time you've made some claim of Alabama fan's opinions that differ COMPLETELY from my own opinion and most of the opinions of other Alabama fans I know. I don't know what Alabama fans you've spoken with, but Ingram had a terrific season last year and proved time and time again that it wasn't just his O-line that granted him success. More than half his all-purpose yards came after contact.
All year I kept hearing from them that Richardson needed more carries because they thought he was the better back. After the Auburn game more of those same opinions came about. I do agree that he had a good season but he isn't the world beater people make him out to be. Auburn had one of the worst rush defenses in the sec and they stopped him with no problem. Richardson was another story. I'm not sure I agree with the thought that Ingram wasn't the better back. The fans you talk to must be more reasonable than the ones that I do. But I will say that the ones I talk to pay very close attention to the program and don't go off what ESPN says, not saying that the ones you talk to do, just sayin.
As far as it not being the OL, how do you explain both Ingram and Richardson have averages that were so high? I know Richardson's averarge was 5.2 and Ingram was 6.1. So there is a difference, but if you take the South Carolina game out it's much closer. Now I'm sure you are familiar with the South Carolina game, he had 24 carries for 246 yards. That's one heck of a game. Now I'm not sure if you watched it or not so I'll tell how it happened. They ran the freaking wildcat for the 4th quarter. The OL blew South Carolina off the ball and he ran behind them. His OL has much more to do with the level of his success than his own ability. I'm not saying he's not a good running back, he is. The real point I was trying to make is, Alabama fans watch too much ESPN. That could go for the rest of the sec as well.
I live in Alabama and have heard similar things (re: Richardson needing more carries), but I can't really say how prevalent an attitude it is/was. IME, Richardson is a slightly better player, which is saying a lot because Ingram is a very good back. I guess we'll find out in 2011 when Richardson will be the #1 guy.
Just needs to stick with celebrity gossip!!
the Free Press reporting that led to the Michigan football NCAA investigation. I'm serious. I never follow TMZ or celebrity gossip, but I confess to being 110% sucked in on the Tiger Woods story. I followed it for months, and TMZ got it 99% right.
As opposed to the August 2009 Free Press reporting, which (and again I am being serious) got the story about 95% wrong. Or worse.
I found it interesting that when ESPN/ABC, Fox Sports, and SI were saying Tiger's wife was going to get $750 million. TMZ was reporting he wasn't even worth that much. TMZ seems to be the only ones who checks facts anymore.
At this point I don't think UM would be too far out of line to ask for it's practice hours back. Recent events in college football make the freep's story even more lame. It now equates to me running a front page story on how I never would rewind Vhs tapes in the 90's.
The best part about rewinding VHS tapes in the 90's is that when DVDs finally came my mom spent like 45 minutes trying to figure out how to rewind those for the Blockbuster.
Here ya' go, could've saved her 45 minutes easily...
Best one:
Times have been tough with the missus recently. We were always fighting about every little thing, who's turn it was to wash the dishes, who was going to mow the lawn, whether or not I was cheating on her with her sister (I was). And on the rare occasion we had the time to watch a movie together we would fight about who would rewind the DVD. My marriage was on the brink of collapse.
Enter "DVD Rewinder"! Rewinding our movies is no longer tedious, but an enjoyable experience to share with my wife. The amazing space age technology works like a charm and DVDs rewind in a matter of minutes, compared to the hours it used to take to manually spin the disc backwards thousands of times.
Sure, sometimes my wife still argues that it makes more sense for me to get a job than for her to get 2 (I mean seriously it averages out to 1 job per person either way, WHAT is the big deal?) but at the end of the day, at least we can watch Glitter without an argument. DVD Rewinder, I owe you my marriage and my life.
Don't punish us, other teams do bad things too!
TMZ is only slightly more credible than our friends at the FreeP.
Is it just me or does he look like a less fat Prince Fielder? I just noticed that.
if Jesse Jackson and Rod Blagojevich were its top reporters.
In other words, clicking on a TMZ link could result in brain damage.
You must be from Chicago. I think I get brain damage from looking at Jesse and/or Blago.
OTL is having a special on agent involvement in college athletics, and i have to agree with Mr. Spielman, that players should be paid, and get a cut of jersey and merchandise sales.
The NCAA also needs to grow some fangs and become as involved in oversight portion of college athletics, as they are in the business side.
I hesitate to agree just a little. If that was the case, and correct me if I am missing something, no one would want to go to any school but the biggest ones. Not that most don't already. But, I would think that the talent gap would widen greatly with a small top tier of schools. Mainly because the most popular national schools would make the most money and in turn so would the athletes playing for them.
It would be almost impossible for smaller schools to recruit any high caliber players because they can't pay them as much as the big boys. Although that would most certainly help Michigan. I just think that may be a problem.
If this were the 70's I might agree with you, but due to scholarship limits the big schools can't sign as many players as they want. Even without paying them, the big schools sign most of the top talent anyway. I don't think it would change all that much. Smaller schools always struggle to get top-tier talent.
My reason against flat out paying the players is that it could affect the non-revenue sports. Currently, the big money sports fund the rest of the sports at most Universities. If some of that money was diverted to players, it could mean that the women's crew team or men's golf was cut from the department.
I tend to agree with you, but parity in college athletics is a myth. It's fun to talk about, but it really doesn't exist. Some schools have better training facilities than others, better coaches, a larger AD budget, etc.. and the case can definitely be made that this would just be one more way for the rich to get richer until the NCAA can find a way to even out the benefits, but if it helps to cut down on the largest, and most glaring problem that exists in college athletics today then I'm all for it.
I agree with Spielman a little bit. I don't know about calling it pay, but an allowance. These kids go to school and do football related activities pretty much the whole time they are there, which leaves them hardly anytime at all for a job. Thats a lot to juggle. The athletes should be allowed some type of an allowance from the school. I mean it takes money to do everything unless you want to spend all day in a dorm. Not everyone's parents are loaded and can send money to they're kids in college.
I also liked his idea about finding a way to get the athlete's parents to the games. Home or away. Giving out tickets and maybe allocating some of that allowance for travel expenses for a few games a year. They can always get tickets but sometimes they can't afford to travel, you hear this all the time with recruits being unable to make an unofficial visit because their parents dont have the money to travel.
For me, it comes down to the fact that the money that the NCAA makes off of college athletics has grown exponentially over the past decade with tv contracts, and the like, but the benefits for student athletes remain the same. They need to find a way offset that disparity.
TMZ broke the Pam Ward sex tape scandal as well as Beano Cook's up-short photos when he got out of that cab that one time.
Hope we don't have another being returned :) Heisman trophies are going to become like loaners.
Tell me about it.
Sincerely,
OJ
Well, I think it is safe to say that the MSM has all but forgotten about Michigans overpracticing at this point lol. Glad we go tthat out of the way early on.
Doctor Saturday with the story of the instantaneous debunk:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/No-Mark-Ing…-?urn=ncaaf-257653